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Is Trump to blame? What say you?

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That's a leading question. I've never heard anyone say that Trump is to blame.
We have a gun culture here. Trump is merely one of the people who is seemingly unconcerned about it, or supportive of it.
It's easy to say that it's not a gun problem, but a mental illness problem.
I don't see any proof that the U.S. is far, far more mentally ill than other countries. Umm, well... now... perhaps...
Anyway, mostly it just seems that we have far, far more access to guns than other countries. It has become a go-to (second amendment) solution for angry people.
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No, it's not Trumps fault. His responses are standard to most GOP people. I do put a lot of the blame on the GOP because it is their lawmakers that bow to the NRA and continue to obstruct even the most common sense ideas just so it will not harm gun sales. They are the party, hand in hand with the NRA, that have brainwashed gun owning americans that the 2nd means "buy as many as you can, with the most advanced abilities available, with as minimal over sight as possible". So anyone who even has common sense ideas like "lets just background check people who go to gun shows, and dont allow people on the no fly list to buy", its all out mayhem trying to stop it.
Leading Democrats of this generation (obama, both clintons, etc) are firmly in support of the 2nd ammendement. But the GOP/NRA fear monger gun owners into "they are going to take your guns away" (an outright lie) because any gun control will lower revenue growth for the gun industry.
Gun fears also keep GOP voters in line even while GOP policies continue to enrich the wealthy and big business at the expense of the regular American. It is a great deflection tool.


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Given that it is undeniably common among his opponents and his constituents' opponents to push blame on the right for gun culture (no argument at all from me on this) and you see the same reaction every single mass shooting, invariably there is hysterical knee-jerking and finger pointing, mostly the left blaming the right for these atrocities. It's the same over and over and over again.
But it might interest some of you to know that mass shootings are down 25% from last year, per this
Last year there were 483 mass shootings. Up til last week, this year has seen 307. If you break the numbers down, that's about 40 per month last year, and 30 per month this year.
I'm just saying... If all you went by was the media and predominately liberal bias, you'd think we were having an epidemic thanks to right wingers affinity for gun culture and Trump "fanning the flames."
But as I cautioned my misguided progressives peers recently, all too often the dominant narrative is totally contradicted by the reality.

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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]5 dead in N. California county.
Maybe the neighbor didn't mow his grass often enough. Maybe he was growing 'grass'. I dunno.
This hasn't even been mentioned on the news, but has been on the 'ticker' at the bottom of the screen.
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Posted - Nov 14 2017 : 5:26PM
Back in the good old days, you only shot the guy you were mad at.

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Back in my day, if you shot up school kids at their school, they'd put it on the news.

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^ Amazing, isn't it? I was at the gym for an hour and didn't see a second of coverage about this on the bank of TVs. I guess if the death toll doesn't get out of the single digit range, it's just another ho-hum Tuesday.
 
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I don't take any comfort in there 'only' being 14 mass shootings in the USA this year. As to who is responsible, obviously, the shooters are responsible. However, our federal and state governments aided and abetted them by winking at the way sellers get around laws meant to prevent guns from getting into the hands of people who have no business owning any kind of weapon.
We have enough problems when the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, as we just saw in Sutherland Springs, without inviting shooting sprees.
Perhaps you find it unremarkable that a man can carry 23 firearms into a hotel in Las Vegas without anybody noticing, or caring, but I find it highly disturbing. However, I will give gun nuts credit for being as indifferent when an Al Qaeda convert murders their fellow Americans in an Orlando nightclub as they are when a good ol' boy guns down the innocent at a music festival in Las Vegas.
The standard retort that you need a gun to protect yourself from the crazies and bad actors is simply a rehash of Rand's cult of the individual, which didn't persuade me at the impressionable age of fourteen, and hasn't made any headway since.
The central tenet of our federal government is that power must be shared, and thus, compromises must be made. That being so, the 2nd Amendment, despite its broad language, cannot confer an unrestricted right, any more than the equally broad 1st Amendment allows you to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.


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^ I'm not sure what you're going by in asserting 14 mass shootings this year. The ABC report I linked shows over 300. Isn't it interesting how wildly these numbers can vary by just altering the definition of mass shootings by 1 or 2 victims?
I checked another resource for mass shooting info, gathering data from the past 35 years, and they listed about 100 total. 100 in 35 years. Yet by altering the definition by increasing the requisite number of victims shot by 1 or 2, or more dramatically by altering the requisite number of victims murdered, you can have a disparate factor of 10 hex . So this resource's list was much shorter.
MotherJones offers a comprehensive catalog of mass shootings from 1982 to the current day. Their definition appears to be at least 3 murdered by gunfire in the same incident (although the context of timing poses another complicating factor).
But when people cite hundreds of mass shootings per year, the vast majority of that involves mostly people injured, and not even any fatalities at all necessarily, but usually at least one. But plenty of mass shootings occur in which there are no fatalities. I think those really high counts must go by the definition of more than 2 victims, but not necessarily killed.
Here's MotherJones data:

I think the total is a tad shy of 100 incidents in 35 years with 3 or more fatalities.
But yeah, if you tally all the incidents of 3 or more victims (irrespective of fatality), the numbers skyrocket exponentially because of gangbangers who just randomly spray parties and public gatherings. It's a regular occurrence every weekend in cities like Chicago and St Louis. By their own, it's just a handful of cities that balloon the stats, and it's usually the same bad neighborhoods giving those cities a bad name. You can visit them and just ask the residents and they'll tell you. Some of those neighborhoods are a living nightmare, statistically more violent than Iraq during US occupation.
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Yes, it is. Frankly, I don't recall where I got that information, but I figured the conservative number was more than good enough to prove the point.

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Sexual harassment is more important. All 500 unproven cases of it amongst celebrities.
The news media is garbage! It's also a reflection of it's Citizens. People lap this crap up!
 
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Do the statistics include accidental shootings?

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Accidental mass shootings?
Do we have those? Like Jamie Lee Curtis trips and the machine gun goes off as it falls down the stairs?
 
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^ Sorry Pieps! I [strikethrough]didn't recall[/strikethrough] missed the word "mass".
Edited by - grover on 11/23/2017 2:56:46 PM
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Well, we haven't had one YET.

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In most other western countries, these figures are incomprehensible.
In 2015-16 (the twelve months beginning in March), there were 26 fatalities from gun-related crimes in England and Wales (equivalent to 130 because we're about about 1/5 the size of the US population). It makes me feel quite safe!
 
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Parkland, Florida - 17 dead. Suspect is an expelled student, who used an AR-15.
Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

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It's the 13th school shooting this year. I'm not clear on whether that's calendar year or academic year.

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Actually, they're counting 18 so far this year. About one every two days.

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"Here we go again.". I say this to myself every time I hear a news story on BBC News of yet another mass shooting somewhere in America.
I'm a Brit. I still say our Gun Laws in the UK are generally very tight. Apart from Dunblane and Hungerford and very few other incidents thankfully it is very rare that we have Windy Nook style shootings where a disgruntled former pupil goes on the rampage at a school. Or and angry individual at society goes on a rampage and when they do happen any loophole in the gun laws in the UK are quickly tightened by Parliament. At least the average in the UK is not 1 incident every two days as the previous poster thinks. In the States any attempt to change the Gun Laws are met with opposition from the Gun Lobby. Who are these people?.
It's getting all too common. There's a mass shooting. It gets political. Ban guns/Don't Ban Guns. Everything blows over. There's another mass shooting. It gets political.....
It's a shame that the one country that had the technical ability to land a man on the moon cannot even sort it's gun laws out. Gun laws that hark back to the Wild West.
"It's an amendment to the Constitution" I hear people say. That piece of paper was drafted many years ago when "Arms" then meant a flintlock pistol whose aim was unreliable or a musket which took three minutes or more to load. "Arms" now mean a telescopic rifle that can probably kill someone from 300 yards.
I notice that Trump, as other Presidents have said whenever an incident occurred on their watch " I have every sympathy with the relatives of the deceased". I wonder if he will finally be the President that will finally change or tighten to strangulation the Gun Laws.
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^ I don't think we've ever had a pupil/former pupil carry out a mass school attack in the UK. Hungerford (Anthony Ryan) concerned a 27 year old unemployed socially inept man who roamed around town shooting 31 people, killing 16; Thomas Hamilton was 43 when he shot 32 people at Dunblane primary school, killing 15 children and a teacher. He wasn't a former pupil though, just a maniac and almost certainly a paedophile who felt he was persecuted by the police and local scout group. What did set this school attack apart from those I've read about in the US was the age of the victims. All 15 murdered children were either 5 or 6 years old.
The outcome of Dunblane was a tightening up of the gun laws to prevent any private ownership of cartridge ammunition handguns. There's been nothing remotely resembling a mass shooting, terrorism apart, since then; not that I know of anyway.
It's hard to see, even from an outsider's point of view, how gun laws can ever change to any significant degree given the Constitution and the part guns seem to play in the American psyche. I read that there are an estimated 270 million guns in the US. Even if the laws were tightened to resemble those in the UK, I suspect we'd see a prohibition type situation develop with underground sales and the enrichment of organised crime providing for everyone who wants a gun; you get the impression that Americans just love guns and no one is going to take them away.

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Hi Cormac. My post above yours was just letting off a little steam. I laugh when the Americans say "It's my constitutional right to do this, that or the other" they should remember that it was written many, many years ago. Times have changed.
 
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President Trump received a thunderous welcome from thousands of gun lovers as he appeared here on Friday at the National Rifle Association’s annual convention to thank the group for its unwavering support of his presidential campaign.
A supporter of restrictions on guns before he entered politics, Mr. Trump became a fierce champion of gun rights during his bid for the White House, earning early backing — and $30 million in campaign support — from the powerful lobbying group.
“Only one candidate in the general election came to speak to you, and that candidate is now the president of the United States, standing before you,” Mr. Trump said. “You came through for me, and I am going to come through for you.”


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^^ Yeah, just me being pedantic.
I think it's hard for Europeans to fully appreciate just how much gun ownership is entrenched in American society. After centuries of the status quo, change is going to be very hard. When you have such high rates of violent crime, persuading even ordinary householders to give up their perceived protection is tricky. In the UK, only criminals have guns and even then they're not easily available. Ban guns in the US tomorrow and there are still 270 million of them in circulation. I uppose you could weed out the legally owned guns but how many would that leave. You've still got enough I would think,for anyone to obtain one illegally, and easy for more to be smuggled in over the border. Then all the householders would want their guns back!
I worked once with a 19 year old American on a gap year in London. She said she was absolutely opposed to her country's gun laws but she still had a handgun because she was shit scared of everyone having one. I sort of got that. If I lived in the US, maybe I would feel the need to have one in the house.
We're lucky I think.
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According to Trump, the root of the problem is our incompetence when it comes to reporting potential shooters. If only those victims had staved off the problem, then they wouldn't have had to deal with the shooting.

Yes, let's up the community surveillance so that anyone who has been expelled from school or is behaving slightly off kilter can be looked into. Investigators have so much time on their hands after all, and community surveillance usually goes so well...
 
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And when the paper was constructed there wasn't tv, radio, the internet, mass printing, etc so free speech should he invalidated as well.

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They did. They don't actually have any power, though, to stop the kid from showing up at a school with an assault weapon.
It's above their pay grade.
In September, YouTube user 'Nikolas Cruz' left a comment on a video stating, "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." The FBI investigated the YouTube comment after it was reported to them, but had been unable to verify the identify of the person who posted it.
Cruz was also banned from entering school with a backpack, but it was still okay for him to buy an assault weapon.

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Oh -- and once again, as always, "It's too soon to have this conversation."
(Our prayers and thoughts will be winging their way toward you, though).

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As far as I know your life is not in danger when you flick the switch on your TV set, listen to a radio, switch on a Computer or read a newspaper.
But when a school kid runs rampage around a school with a high powered rifle. Or someone opens fire in a cinema your life IS in danger if you happen to be very close by.
Trump says today "You have people who will do anything at all to protect you". How about strengthening the Gun Laws. Mr Trump?. I noticed he didn't mention the Gun Laws at all in his speech.
Edited by - Brummie on 2/15/2018 2:19:20 PM
 
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I'm surprised that FM45 didn't mention that teachers should be armed with AR-15's so that "bullets will fly the other way" like he said about San Bernardino.
 
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Life endanger has nothing to do with using the statement that current technology wasn't forseen when they wrote the Constitution. Using thaf president for one opens it up for all. That's how the law works.
 
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I just think that it is a fantasy to suppose that a bunch of guys with AR-15's are going to defeat a modern army that can destroy your positions with artillery fire from fourteen miles away, and which will control the airspace.
To my mind, the very best defense we have against tyranny is an army comprised of citizen volunteers, not a Militia which is neither well regulated nor comparably armed.

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Ladies and gentlemen, The Second Amendment:
Hmmm. Well regulated. Militia.
What might "well regulated" mean? And why wouldn't it mean well regulated?
 
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Nobody cares, because, according to the Supreme Court, the qualifier doesn't matter, nor does the stated purpose matter. The only part that matters is the conclusion drawn from the parts that are irrelevant - ''the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' That's legalese for ya.

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I think I've given p. I'm resigned to minority rule and that minority is getting smaller, more extreme in not just this but other issues as well as crazier. Really, as a nation we are heading down the gradual path of decline and fall as a world power.

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As the article says, you can't charge someone with a crime for acting erratically and saying worrying things. Moreover supervision would stretch the authorities to the limit I imagine. I was, however, surprised to read that mental illness is no bar to buying a serious weapon. Is that blanket I wonder? Can, for example, a known schizophrenic who refuses treatment able to buy an assault rifle?

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I had mentioned to my husband that the number of school shootings would vary with a lot of factors, such as whether you include it as a school shooting if someone outside a school shoots someone who has just exited a school, or whatever.
The group who tallied the '18' included “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds.”
And this:

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"caller provided information about Mr Cruz’s “gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behaviour and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting”, according to the statement.
The FBI protocol dictates that Mr Cruz should have been determined a “potential threat to life”, based on the caller’s information, and the details should have been forwarded to the Miami field office.
None of these steps were taken and the tip was not investigated, the FBI has admitted."
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I was trying to find out how many such tips they get in a year and found this:
It is said that they could not verify that the youtube account with the school threat belonged to Cruz. Thanks to the phenomenon of 'swatting' in which people report crimes that didn't happen in order to frame their neighbors so that a SWAT team shows up, it might be fairly common for someone to use a library computer to sign up for an account in someone else's name in order to post atrocious stuff attributed to some gawky, unlikeable, creepy kid, or just anyone they have a disagreement with.
Without any evidence of a crime, there's not much they can do. It takes evidence to get search warrants and the like.

You won't hear as much about this one, BECAUSE nobody got shot.

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And THAT may be what actually makes something 'stick' -- something that isn't just a thought or a plan or a stockpile.

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I would be real interested to know why this mass shooting prompted someone to bump the thread, when there's been dozens already since the topic started.
Mass shootings are still down, and they still only account for 00.01% of violent crime
But people continue to lose their minds over this, and they engage in bitter debates that just dehumanize all parties involved. There are no simple solutions. Even the most drastic solutions proposed won't put a dent in this with regarding banning certain types of guns. The vast majority are still carried out with handguns.
If we are to make even the slightest perceptible dent in the issue, it's got to come down to better screening. And again, even if we magically stopped all mass shootings, there remains more than 99.99% of violent crime, and most types of which could even go up.
Meanwhile, 100,000 ppl die from alcohol every year.
"But that's a choice people make, Melvyn!"
Is it really? Alcoholism tears people apart, drives them to suicide, destroys families. But for the sake of argument, ok, let's just grant that people choose to die from alcohol. I do put most of the onus on them, so let's just grant that...
... what of the 10,000 people who die by drunk drivers every year? Did they choose that? Families killed on the highway bc of some drunk fuck. It's horrific and far, FAR more common than mass shootings. But nobody is calling for a return to Prohibition.
I'm not calling for Prohibition either, but I have to ask for argument's sake, why not? What purpose does alcohol serve other than hedonism? At least there is a case to be made for guns. They can and do protect people. Alcohol does not.
So alcohol costs the lives of far more people, and there is no practical purpose for it, but we love it! Guns don't claim but a small fraction of lives that alcohol claims, and there IS a practical purpose for them. Why is there a thousand times the energy going toward anti-gun campaigns as there is anti-alcohol? If lives are what's at stake, and that's the focus of why we care, why so little done about alcohol?
I'm not against better gun control measures. But until the activists demonstrate they actually care about lives by taking effective measures against alcohol related deaths, which are at least fifty to one hundred times more prevalent than mass shooting deaths, I remain skeptical they have a clue what to do about either issue.
And speaking of gun-related deaths, aren't half of them fueled by alcohol? Does anyone see the common culprit here? This is a beast that claims a death toll of an immensely greater order of magnitude, but every remains hysterical about 00.0001% of violent crime and scapegoats a culprit which does not poison anyone. And I am hardly a gun-nut. It's a matter of perspective and rationalism.
There MUST be more practical and efficient measures we can take apart from the usual polarizing debate. For my part, I'd suggest better screening for gun licensing (certainly a fraught issue), and how about some damn metal detectors at schools? How the hell are they not mandatory at every school? Does anyone here know how metal detectors could not be helpful, and don't many schools have them? Don't they study how much it helps? Out of all the school shootings that make headlines, I can't think of any of them happening at inner-city schools which have metal detectors. I'm sure they still happen, but wouldn't they be more rare?
Also, they need to decriminalize pot nationwide already. Drunk driving goes down, opioid deaths go down, people have a safer alternative to Big Pharm's drugs, violent crime goes down, business goes up... Why don't we focus on much, much larger issues that effect tens of millions of people first, because much of this is at the root of American psychopathy? Focus on helping the tens of millions addicted to alcohol and opioids, and you will see all the rarer deleterious ills of society ameliorated guaranteed. Rising tide lifts all boats. Legalize weed already. As crazy as it might sound, the positive impact is so great that all these other proposals don't even compare.
That's what is so confounding about all this. People myopically focused with microscopes on a tragedy, while ignoring the enormous issues that engulf it. I do not want to say it's "people making mountains out of molehills." Instead it is more like people focusing on ants nibbling at their picnic instead of having even the slightest awareness of the lions encircling them. Alcohol is a lion. Big Pharm is a lion. Millions of people are being ruined by these. Only it is still worse than this analogy, because in this case the ants (gun violence), are largely influenced by the lions (Big Pharm and alcohol).
The solution is right in front of us. Legalize weed now. Save millions of people. THEN we can focus on sorting out this psychopathy issue at the root of most mass shootings.

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Sounds like you are wary of the Big Brother implications here. But what can we do? I honestly don't know where we draw the line. I operate under the assumption that the gov can access anything on the internet already. I just assume that as a given. I don't believe they leave anything off limits. They just don't have the resources to parse it effectively, or as effectively as we'd like or even expect them to. We remain too complex for machines to figure out. So in the end, humans have to look into each case to arrive at a judgment which still requires some kind of bureaucratic consensus. And as I think you are getting at, it is the human resources which remain limited. Remember they said the gov had received numerous tips about Bin Laden or an attack on the WTC. But they receive thousands of these tips every week. Maybe millions of tips each month. Many are even worse than the events elude apprehension, and the fear of those "even worse" scenarios is where most of the focus goes.
It makes us wonder how many other tips those Parkland police had to focus on, let alone the FBI. We definitely do not have enough cops, but we are also afraid of a police state. No one wants that. But civilians outnumber cops by at least 300:1, and if we're talking active duty and on the clock, it's more like 1,000:1. We could use more cops. I wish there was at least 1 more armed guard, whether a cop or private security, at each school. The deranged monster at Parkland made sure to take out the security guard first. This is just so tragic. Schools need more security. Why are we still policing the world, spending trillions in other nations, instead of at home?
 
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FM45 tweeted this morning that the FBI should have and would have stopped the Parkland mass shooting if they weren't so involved in the Russian Election meddling issue.

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We actually have a rather large volume of laws restricting alcohol. Licensing, regulation, particular days and hours, locations, etc. I can't sell alcohol without an expensive and hard-to-get license, and not in this town at all -- we already have the one place that's licensed (and not withing a certain distance of a public school). Can't sell hard liquor at the grocery store, some places can't sell on Sundays.
Just try to get a law saying guns shouldn't be sold to mentally ill people or people on a terrorist watch list, or restricting bump stocks.
 
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^ I live in a place that has perhaps the most relaxed alcohol laws in the nation, and we still have restrictions on age, location, and material (you can't walk down the street with a glass bottle--it has to be a can or in a plastic cup). It's even against the law to sell miniatures. Why? I don't know. And until quite recently, you couldn't buy wine or liquor before noon on a Sunday. Only beer. They changed that law because, well, it makes no sense. They still have the miniatures law though...
Then consider strip clubs around the nation. Most of them cannot sell alcohol if the dancers are bottomless, and in many states you can't sell alcohol in clubs at all.
I wish we had the same public nervousness concerning guns that we did when someone is publicly intoxicated or attempts to open a public house to serve a community. I would love to have a local pub here. Instead, middle class white folks want to maintain a neighborhood where no "riff raff" "loiters" around. It's totally ok for a dude to carry a semi-automatic into the local pharmacy though because...he/she is protecting me? or themselves? I do not feel protected. In fact, the number of guns I am surrounded by seems to match the out of control levels of gun violence that surround me on a daily basis.
I also just found out that it's illegal to own a switchblade here. Not just illegal to carry one around, but illegal to own.
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Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 2/18/2018 1:05:11 PM

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Switchblades are dangerous.

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You could poke your eye out.

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Jim Gath, from facebook:
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