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Posted - May 25 2018 : 1:44PM
Kyle Kashuv graduated at the top of his class, 1st out of 856 students. Worth noting. Worth listening to.


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Edited by - melvyn on 5/25/2018 1:45:33 PM


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Posted - May 25 2018 : 2:13PM
It would be controversial for someone to say they support legalizing machine guns and RPG launchers and tanks, but how common is this sentiment even among "gun nuts" like NRA members? Even among them, it's not a common view. No doubt when we're talking about an organization with millions of members, we can find some people among them who hold such controversial views, but they are not popular.
But the proposal to ban all guns, or "just" semi-autos (which is such a vast majority of guns it's tantamount to a total ban on all guns), is at least as controversial, and yet it is much far more common. In terms of a specific proposal, it is probably the MOST popular sentiment at these movements. There is nothing more common which is so specific or so absolute. Just saying they want "gun control" is not specific enough. Everyone wants "gun control." The authoritarians want gun controlled by gov, while the libertarians want guns controlled by the public. It's a meaningless term. "Common sense gun reform" is almost just as meaningless. So the reason I point this out is that we need to contrast the controversial arguments on both ends. Which ones are more popular? There are legitimate gun nuts out there who do believe they should be able to amass a military arsenal and combat vehicles. But far more people are out there mobilized and marching to push the idea that all guns need to go. And it's only becoming more and more popular sentiment with each mass shooting, even though mass shootings are not 00.01% of all violence that we must contend with in the world.
BTW, Pieps, you noted that you're from a rural background. Would it interest you to know that rural areas have much higher gun ownership and much lower murder rates? How does this square with demands for increased restrictions? To reiterate and make it clear, I'm not even against increased restrictions. I've always said there's got to be more we can do. I'm just interested to know how you respond to what Thomas Sowell presciently pointed out ages ago and still points out when the topic is brought up for him.
It's just fascinating to me how such rare events involving extremely rare weapons (notably the "infamous" AR-15 which the vast majority of critics of don't know what it is or what it does or what it even means) give rise to marches of millions of people around the country, and they've effectively seized on a mythical scapegoat while ignoring not just 99.99% of violence, but also the sources of it, chiefly a government which won't afford to protect its disarmed citizens in gun free zones with even minimal security, and a culture of wanton depraved-heart violence that plagues cities with staggering murder rates
It would make all the sense in the world to march against alcohol which fuels 50% of murders, and claims 100,000 deaths per year, 10,000 of which from drunk drivers, compared to marching against a weapon that does not account for even 1% of all gun violence.
Listen to Thomas Sowell some time and these dark clouds of confusion and consternation will split wide open revealing clarity and enlightenment. The man is a genius. sowell.jpg
Edited by - melvyn on 5/25/2018 2:25:58 PM

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Posted - May 25 2018 : 2:19PM
Ideally I would agree with you about closure not coming to the bereaved via capital punishment. I forget if I mentioned it, but I'm not in favor of the death penalty. With that said, I assume you are also like me enjoying a life unburdened by such a criminal bereavement. We can't say we've been truly tested on this principle without knowing what it feels like. I don't know if it would cause me to cave on principle, but I do know it would make me feel very different if a loved one was killed by some selfish monster. I mean, especially if it was your kid. I think then we'd all sympathize with those who'd want to personally execute the killer of their child. Not that we would objectively recognize it to be be justified.
Also restating this in case it was overlooked on the bottom of the previous page:
Edited by - melvyn on 5/25/2018 2:20:52 PM

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Posted - May 25 2018 : 3:17PM
It seems to be that Blaire is right. And this is just a reminder that so many people out there DO indeed desire to rob you of your rights, and it is not such an unpopular view that we can dismiss it out of hand any longer.
Look what Lauren Shippen tweeted and got over 60k likes for...[Tweet is no longer available]
Edited by - melvyn on 5/25/2018 3:18:30 PM
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Posted - May 25 2018 : 3:47PM
Yes, you can find someone who believes anything. There are even people who have said that it should be mandatory for teachers to carry guns. That would be a hoot.
Meanwhile...
It would be exactly as I would expect. A lot of rural people who have no particular fascination with guns, have one for purely practical reasons, and hope never to need it. On the other hand, I did not keep a gun at my townhouse in Canada. There was no need for one. My neighbors there also didn't keep any there, but some kept guns at their rural vacation cabins. So then we must wonder who in that relatively safe city was keeping a gun.
The newspaper reports of local robberies were awesome. Someone would claim they had a knife in their pocket or something, and the clerk would hand over the cash.
But in the nastier cities in the U.S., there are horrible neighborhoods, which are horrible because there are a lot of shootings (plus drugs and stuff). There's considerable more crowding, more tension, more anger, and you can infer different reasons for someone to go out and get a gun, and different reasons for wanting to use one.
As already mentioned in this thread, alcohol is highly regulated, even down to what days and hours it can be sold. Lots and lots and lots of regulations and restrictions. And yet I do not feel they are a first step in the government coming to confiscate my Canadian Club.

Edited by - Pieps on 5/25/2018 7:20:24 PM

 
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Posted - May 25 2018 : 7:53PM
I am pro ownership, yet fail to understand how registration and training requirements are bad or infringe on the right to own a weapon. Granted, criminals aren't going to give a fuck. Does that mean that all laws should be abolished because the bad people won't obey them? Everyone has the right to have kids but there are regulations on that.

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Posted - May 26 2018 : 8:26PM
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]One roadblock to arming teachers: Insurance companies
 
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Posted - May 26 2018 : 8:37PM
How long before GOP legislatures, (or even Goblin himself) start making insurance companies offers they can't refuse?

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Posted - May 26 2018 : 8:40PM
We've had teacher's guns go off and shoot a toilet or a ceiling. How long before a bullet hits a random kid?
We're going to need those laws that make it okay to accidentally shoot a kid.
 
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Posted - May 26 2018 : 8:41PM
: I have only a passing familiarty with Lauren Shippen, but I believe I can honestly say that until she achieves significant elected office, her ideas of a unilateral gun ban will remain the stuff of hard-left fan faction. I don't believe the NRA has anything to worry about at this time.
 
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Posted - May 29 2018 : 3:58PM
Ignorant Republican cunt Diane Black:
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^ smh
 
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Posted - Jun 7 2018 : 7:30AM
In case you had any doubt that Nuance Bro is indeed acting in good faith and willing to take an objective critical eye to the issue, scrutinizing the principles of activists whether they are staunchly opposed or in favor of gun rights, please check this out:

Please give it a listen. I guarantee you will only come away from his journalistic efforts better informed.
You will hear from opponents of 2A and supporters, as well as moderate and radical for both sides, and not just men but women as well. You can tell this is a sincere effort to encourage critical thought and have a real discussion because he really tries to avoid being confrontational or condescending, and I think it goes a long way toward progress.
Edited by - melvyn on 6/7/2018 7:36:50 AM
 
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An aside:

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^ I am surprised to see this from a company like Sig Sauer, their guns are not cheap. Please see my previous post on an incident that happened with a cheap revolver without a hammer block.
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Sometimes the link doesn't go directly to the relevant post. You may have to scroll down three posts to my post dated May 23 2018 : 8:46PM. I thought the issue only existed with cheap revolvers, not expensive semi-automatics. In the case of semi-automatics, it is a firing pin block, not a hammer block.
My carry gun is a Sig, I am going to look into this as I carry with a round in the chamber, safety on.
 
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I give you the illegitimate daughter of Ted Nugent:
 
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If the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, as per the Supreme Court's ruling on the Second Amendment, then what's the problem?
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Alexandre Bissonnette, 28, awaits sentence for 6 counts of 1st-degree murder
 
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It used to be that news of a mass shooting would be the most disturbing news of the day. Of the week, even.

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Posted - Jun 30 2018 : 6:24AM
I know. Now it's just another story. This is now becoming just another expression of regular abhorrent social behavior. That is more terrible than the shooting themselves.
 
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Posted - Jul 1 2018 : 1:42AM
In an attempt to gin up more interest in the Maryland newspaper shooting, a Springfield MA reporter tweeted Ramos was wearing a Trump Make America Great Again hat. It wasn't true and the reporter resigned the next day. Ramos was a guy with a personal vendetta and used a shotgun to commit the murders. There just isn't enough sizzle there to get the "agenda" groups in a rage. That's where we are in the US of A.

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Posted - Jul 1 2018 : 1:55AM
^ Years ago after a multiple shooting in America, a few days later a foreign correspondent was in the city, holding up the city newspaper and saying there was nothing in the paper about it.

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And yet, some conservative shithead on Fox News blamed Maxine Waters for these killings - while conveniently neglecting that another gay conservative shithead advocated killing journalists the day before. Such is life on Fox News...

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Posted - Jul 2 2018 : 7:45PM
^^^()
So let me get this straight:
A reporter at a small time local newspaper tweets out that the shooter was wearing a MAGA hat.
The twitter post was quickly taken down after the paper's editor discovers this was not true. When confronted by his editor, the reporter, a 21 year veteran of the profession, immediately resigned.
The former reporter apologizes to fellow journalists and POTUS supporters, say his mistake was "stupid" and "regrettable", and that he was "ashamed" of the tweet.
The executive editor also releases a statement, saying that they are "...committed to report the news with the truth paramount."
But yet you think this whole thing was a conspiracy to create "sizzle" to "...get the 'agenda' groups in a rage"? Really???
Wow. Just...wow. Though I do agree with you on this:
Edited by - Macko69 on 7/2/2018 10:08:12 PM
 
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^
Berry described his tweet as a "snarky,sarcastic, cynical remark". This was not a case of a reporter making an honest mistake. This was a guy trying to drum up interest on his twitter. Nice try, though.

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Posted - Jul 3 2018 : 12:51AM
So what?
It's one guy on his (personal?) twitter.
It's not representative of 'the media'.
And it's not like it's a really powerful person in government with a huge following on twitter tweeting a "snarky,sarcastic, cynical remark". Or hundreds of snarky,sarcastic, cynical remarks.

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The reporter lied. It was wrong. He took complete responsibility for his lie and did what an honorable person is expected to do when faced with this ugly truth - he resigned from his position. Yet the most powerful person in the country, the world actually, continues to spew out lies like rotted meat thousands of times in his term, but has yet to take responsibility for a single one. Not a single one. And still, he has tens of millions of people who will view him like he’s the victim of a vast conspiracy.
Trump can’t negotiate. He can’t comfort. He can’t inspire. He can’t do anything that a good leader is supposed to do. But we must acknowledge one skill he has mastered - that son-of-a-bitch can bamboozle his followers better than I’ve ever seen. Jim Jones, David Koresh, and L. Ron Hubbard are probably in hell, telling each other, “Did you see what that crazy bastard told his people, and at least a third of them STILL worship his nutsack. Damn, he got mad skillz.”
 
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I haven't read this article yet, but I thought it might be of interest to some gun control advocates.

"Rebecca Peters became one of the world's foremost gun-control experts. Then she moved to Guatemala, where she devotes her life to the victims of gun crime."
 
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Typical cold blooded corporate execs who literally care about nothing but their profit margins.
 
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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Gunman and 2 victims dead, 12 others injured in Toronto Greektown shooting
My condolences to the victims and a very speedy recovery for the survivors. #TorontoStrong
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Posted - Jul 24 2018 : 3:16AM
It may be outside the topic, but only barely. Our neighbors to the north just got massacred up in Toronto. Something like 14 victims, 2 fatalities including a young girl.
 
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Fred Guttenberg, whose 14-year-old daughter was killed in the Parkland school shooting, slams 3D-printed plastic gun blueprints, saying metal detectors will be meaningless.
 
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RIP
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Rest in peace to the victims but President Trump will eventually pardon the shooters.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
 
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Two adults were shot at a high school football game in Palm Beach, Florida, according to the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.
 
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