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Basically, it was disorganization, miscommunication and a fire chief who neglected to put an active shooter plan in place and a bunch of firemen/paramedics who cared more about saving themselves than saving victims. Another stark reminder that most police, firemen & paramedics will always look out for themselves before they will help you and me.
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"After a recommendation from Saez in 2015, the department bought about 20 of the bulletproof vests and helmets. The vests had pouches filled with tourniquets, special needles to relieve bleeding in the chest, and quick-clotting trauma bandages.
None of that equipment was used at Pulse. Emergency medical professionals stayed across the street from the club. And the bulletproof vests filled with life-saving equipment sat at headquarters."

So they had the equipment but nobody had a protocol in plan to use it.
"Orlando Fire District Chief Bryan Davis was in charge of his agency’s response the night of the Pulse shooting. In an interview, he said his department had done active shooter drills, but it wasn’t enough.
“We didn’t have formalized training,” Davis said. “We didn’t have a policy. We didn’t have a procedure. We had the equipment [bulletproof vests]. But it was locked up in EMS in a storage closet… And unfortunately, we were a day and a dollar too late...
...at 2:50 a.m., the shooter threatened to blow up a city block with explosives in his car. Around the same time, the Orange County Fire Rescue Department, which had trained with the Sheriff’s Office beginning in 2013, brought 12 ballistic vests to Orlando Fire Department commanders on the scene.
Davis, the Orlando Fire Department district chief in charge of his agency’s response that night, said he told Orange County commanders that city firefighters and paramedics hadn’t been trained on how to use the vests — and wouldn’t use them. Davis’s account was confirmed by an after-action report by the county."

How much formalized training does a fireman/paramedic need on how wear a bulletproof vest?! Why do they need any training on it at all?! It's a vest, you put it on and wear it. It's that simple!! You think this was rocket science by the way they talk about it.
 
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It hasn't been that long since the last shooting at a child's birthday party.
 
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^ The suspect is white, non-Islamic and a country national, so it is just one man with a mental illness.

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Whereas, what?

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^ Did you check my link? (Though that was actually about the pipe bombs, it's still the same thing)
 
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The shooter this time around was a Marine. Previously a 'good guy' trained better than the police and possibly suffering from PTSD. How many more are out there?

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^I love that LaPierre quote, because on it's surface, it seems like a simple solution to the problem of gun violence. But the world is rarely that simple, and this story shows how messy things can get whenever guns are being fired:


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Anytime a politician gives a cheap soundbite as an argument, assume it's a complex issue.
 
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This is the kid from Stoneman Douglas High that the media should be championing at the forefront. Not those other kids who are being emotionally exploited by partisans and spoonfed scripts and manufactured into drones.
Kyle Kashuv is the most intelligent and sober representative from his class, but it is precisely because he's sober and not hysterically deranged by trauma that the media don't want him as the poster child for this issue.
BTW, never forget it was Obama's explicitly soft policies and pushing of the "PROMISE" program that let Cruz slip through the cracks after countless reports.
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While you're both tooting his horn, don't forget he has the best words.

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^^Interesting how you think Nicholas Cruz, who was very fond of wearing his red MAGA cap, shot a bunch of people because of Obama.




This is some grade A delusion, Melvyn.
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^^^I was curious why you are trying to push the idea that this Kashuv kid should be the Stoneman Douglas spokesperson. First of all, you try to make it like this kid was ignored by the media. Do a Google search and you’ll see this kid was on Fox, CBS, Face the Nation, Time Magazine - this kid had just as much exposure as many of the others.
But then I see a picture of this kid with Trump. He shouldn’t have done that. Their shooter was a MAGAt, a Trump fan. And yet, Kashuv visited Trump at his office. This Kashuv kid is WAY more brainwashed and pimped out for political purposes than any other Stoneman Douglas kid. Sad that he is rooting for the side of fear and ignorance.
I am skeptical the kid scored high on his SAT like he claims. I’ve come to the point that anyone who supports Trump should automatically be assumed to be untrustworthy. Anyone who respects someone who lies as frequently and as egregiously as Trump puts no value on truth.
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The SAT is a test of knowledge, not of belief, or morality. One can know the correct answer without believing there is any truth to it.

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^True. The ability to score well on tests says nothing about the inherent morality of a person. I'm saying that I'm skeptical towards claims made by someone who admires a serial liar.
 
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On rare occasion, this shitty administration does something good. This is one of those times.
 
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^between that and the criminal justice reform, I'm almost like...
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(of course, then I remember about his proposed deportation of Vietnam refugees who have been here for decades and I remember he's a total monster.)
 
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LOL Macko what are you even talking about?
No one said Cruz was motivated by Obama. It wouldn't even matter if Cruz felt that he was possessed by Cthulhu.
I was talking specifically about the policy pushed by the previous administration via Obama and his Chicago buddy who was superintendent in that area. Address the failure of the PROMISE program as detailed in that article. Your response suggests you didn't even read it, given you did not even acknowledge the most salient point, or any of its points even.
They gave him dozens and dozens of chances, no red flags. FBI was tipped off, failed to do anything. The police stood down, and now they have a reputation as Coward County. If one didn't know any better, they might think the public officials most responsible actually wanted a massacre to advance their agenda. This was only possible because of the PROMISE policy.
But how very strange that others somehow inexplicably think a school shooting perpetrated by someone visibly favorable of right wing politicians somehow advances the agenda of the right. Truly the scheme of a mastermind. Such brilliant optics. I'll hand it to you, that really is a chin-scratcher. It's almost like it makes the least bit of sense conceivable, such that it cannot even theoretically be qualified as sense.
Again, what I said was not about Cruz's personal motivation. That's a dead end. He's psychotic and you know it. Most mass shooters have some kind of significant signs of mental illness. They also tried attaching him to some white supremacist group in Florida, citing Cruz's anti-Semitism. Again, what difference does it make, given that most of his victims were both white and specifically not Jewish? Trying to exploit the random psychopathy of such a lunatic to substantiate a political narrative is especially pathetic and desperate when given said lunatic's actions drastically undermine the very ideology or agenda you attribute to them.
When that other lunatic shot up that Republican baseball game, and he turned out to be a Bernie Bro, I didn't say it was Bernie's fault. That's ridiculous. One can however take officials to task specifically for their terrible policies. And if there was some Republican most responsible for pushing a lax policy such as Obama's PROMISE program which saw violent attacks on teachers skyrocket by tens of thousands of incidents in 1 year, and which also had the added horror of allowing a psychotic mass murderer like Cruz, then I'm all for criticizing them as well. I'm not a partisan.
All I've been doing in this thread was demonstrating how it's never one-way. And if I see the vast majority of coverage in the mainstream going one-way, it's worth examining the other side of the issue.
You'll never get anywhere without asking the most fundamental question in politics (or crime for that matter): who benefits?

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No, he really hasn't. Not even close. Hogg and Gonzalez have both received roughly 10 times as much coverage. They're icons. I guarantee you if you were to poll the millions of people who recognize Emma Gonzalez or David Hogg, not even 10% of them would recognize Kashuv. It's not even close.
Of course. The kid with the near perfect test score is the brainwashed one. Meanwhile, Hogg and Gonzalez would undoubtedly lose the debate with Kashuv, while the media fawns over them.
You're letting your own political bias toxify your basic rationality. I don't care about Trump. This isn't about Trump. You and too many others are letting Trump live rent-free in your head, endlessly distracting and exhausting you. You are sounding no different to me than those who irrationally hated Obama and made everything about him.
Trump wasn't my choice. I'm not a "MAGAt" as you put it. Given your blatant bias and the way you've address this issue and ignored the arguments put forth in favor of ad hominem attacks, you'd probably be stunned to learn who I favored over Trump in 2016.
It doesn't mean we should succumb to TDS. You just end up exactly like the monsters you've been fighting, per Nietzsche.
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Exactly.
Meanwhile:


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Who are you even talking about lol

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And just to reiterate for the sake of clarity, it makes no difference to me if someone sporting a MAGA hat does something bad, if the main reason that enabled them to do it was due to an Obama policy. It is the latter that weighs more heavily.
Just as it makes no difference if someone who was noted to wear an "I'm With Her" shirt happens to go out and hurt a lot of people, enabled to do this mainly on account of a Trump policy. I'd sooner blame Trump, cuz again, it is the latter which weighs more heavily.
It's like the difference between relying on the credibility of lunatic logic versus holding those accountable who are obviously most accountable.
BTW Obama and Hillary are the reason we have Trump. And the more you blame Russia, the worse Obama and Hillary look for allowing this to happen. No other people were more responsible than they. We literally gave them the most responsibility we could possibly give any officials for domestic and foreign policy.
I think some of you really ought to cogitate on the concept of power a little more. Try thinking critically about it for a change, instead of devising all new ways to forfeit more and more of it, as you insist your circumstances and environment are only getting worse and worse. If the people you trusted most, and whom you entrusted the most power, have led you to this state, why would you ever trust them again?
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
You know that definition of insanity, misattributed to Einstein, that it is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome? I never found that sufficient, but it's handy enough. Think of that definition as you reflect on the fact that 97% of mass shooting victims are disarmed.
But you'll keep insisting it's the only way. Over and over. And it will keep happening. Over and over.
And your beloved public officials, the ones secured by walls and armed security, won't do anything about it.
The only thing more "insane" than what they are currently doing would be to try and disarm everyone. But just because they're only doing the 2nd most insane thing isn't much of a consolation, now is it? But what is it they're even doing you ask? In effect, keeping people disarmed while refusing to provide armed protection for them. That's the world we live in. Make sense to you? If it does, you might be insane.
The gov tells you you're not fit to defend yourself, and also unfortunately they just can't afford to protect you. It's not in the cards. They have more important matters to tend to. Good luck!

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Did that happen?
Speaking of Einstein, how did he do on his school entrance exams?
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No, Obama and Hillary are not the reason we have Trump. The electorate is to blame for putting him in office. Trump is to blame for the mess he’s created.
One thing that is the hallmark of our lunatic in the White House is that he blames people who are not the ones responsible when things go wrong. Much like you are doing. You know, there was once a time when people were held responsible for the things they did. But this president has started a weird phenomena that I have never seen before - people who blame Obama, Hillary, the MSM, the Democrats - anyone BUT Trump. Then after essentially absolving of any wrongdoing, they are quick to proclaim that they AREN’T Trump supporters.
You’ve written a number of really long posts without once finding anything to be Trump’s fault. Weird, huh?
 
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I don't think we can just ignore the rise of Fox News, along with the Tea Party movement.
 
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^For me, the biggest takeaway in that article is this quote:
That really blew me away. Cops, with all their training and certifications, can only hit their target about 1/3 the time even when shooting targets close to them. If you put a teacher in the same situation, one would presume that even in the most optimistic scenarios, that they'd have similar success rates. In a classroom situation where a lot of people are in very close quarters, a shot that misses the target has a reasonably good chance of hitting an innocent person.
 
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^^ Surely the greater issue is what if someone else gets hold of the gun.
 
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