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Gov. Ron DeSantis removed the Broward County sheriff, saying he had shown "repeated incompetence and neglect of duty."
 
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Reportedly she was struggling in college because she couldn't stand to be in a classroom again.

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^ Crap!

RIP Sydney

 
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An excerpt from the article:

Seventeen people -- 14 students and three staff members -- were killed when a gunman opened fire at the Florida high school on February 14, 2018. The shooter, who confessed, has been indicted on 17 counts of murder.

A week ago, former MSD student Sydney Aiello, who survived the 2018 massacre, died by suicide.
Her mother told CNN affiliate WFOR Aiello had suffered from survivor's guilt and been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.

Then on Saturday, a second student died in what police are calling "an apparent suicide."

The student, who was enrolled at MSD at the time of death, has not been publicly identified. It's unclear under what circumstances the student died, or what connection, if any, they had to the shooting.

 
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The RCMP say a 60-year-old man is in custody after four targeted shootings in Penticton, B.C., on Monday left two men and two women dead in what a senior police officer described as a "very dark day" for the city.

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These Colorado high school students didn't want to hear about political talking points from gun control advocates at their vigil. They walked out en masse chanting "Mental health"



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People should be left alone to grieve.

The Amish did well after the Amish school shooting, and the press pretty much left them alone.

People don't need to be in a rush to bring politics right to the school. If the kids and their parents want to say something political, they will.


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It really makes you think


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His name was released by whom?

What I saw about the boy is that several people on social media said, "I know this guy, and his name is..." and then they gave the wrong name.

That wasn't the press, it was social media.

After that happened, in order to prevent the mis-identified boy from facing flak, a bunch of people released the real name, again on social media.

There is no "they" who did this -- no organized or regulated entity. It was people on social media, over whom nobody seems to have any control, whether they give out the wrong name or the correct name.

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^^Yes, it does make me think. It makes me think, "Why do so many people on the right seem to wallow in their own victimhood?" The constant "people are so UNFAIR to me" complaint gets really irritating after a while. That's exactly what Trump does, so it's certainly not surprising, but it's irritating nonetheless.

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It makes me think that there are several issues here (all of them just part of a made-up distraction).

One of them is that some organizations do not release the names of arrested juveniles. Those organizations may feel perfectly fine about naming minors who have not been involved in anything criminal -- for instance a celebrity's daughter going to Disneyland or something. Or a minor performer on American Idol. Just because someone is a minor doesn't mean you can never speak their name.

Another major issue is that the things mentioned "death threats from celebrities" etc. do not involve the same "they". These are things done by individual people. Some things go viral on social media and some do not. There is no good way to steer people away from whatever they are interested in. If they are more interested in what one kid did than in what the other kid did, that's that. The thing with the boy was on social media going viral for hours before the news picked it up. The news picked it up precisely because it went viral, and by then, all hell had already broken loose and the boy's identity had been floated.

 
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I just realised that Aphrodite lady meant Native American. But she also retweeted a guy who describes a group of black people as "chimping out" so...

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Very easy for you to say when you haven't been run through the mud for simply peacefully *existing and smiling*, while you were being harangued by virulent racists who were spewing every epithet they could think of, calling you fa***ts of "the Jews", explicitly telling you to get out of the country, while denigrating virtually every other group you could name as well.

That MAGA kid was the picture of serene grace, and the media portrayed him as a villainous thug aggressively intimidating grown men consumed by their own hatred and ignorance. The kid wasn't even an aggressor of any sort. The media pushed this from the jump, credulously pushing a completely misleading narrative. When truth came to light, the reality was the exact opposite of how they presented this.

And then the TDS lunatics piled on, completely blinded by hatred at the cost of any semblance of rationality or objectivity. You had verified Twitter users, including a director for a billion dollar global corporation, calling for these kids to be thrown into a wood chipper.

That kid did absolutely nothing wrong in the situation, and in fact should have been commended for admirable behavior in the face of such belligerent, hateful, anti-intellectual and fraudulent savagery.

This is why I struggle to relate to other liberals anymore. Are there any? It's like they simply no longer exist. They're explicitly illiberal, anti-intellectual and regressive. I couldn't find ONE identifiably left leaning person to recognize the left had gone too far with that kid.

Any liberal person or so-called progressive with just a scintilla of honesty or objectivity should have seen right through that farce. And yet even conservatives were duped by the propaganda. Goebbels would have been proud of what the leftist media did to that kid. Media spun the hell out of that, just like the Smollett fiasco, which even most minorities called bullshit on immediately. The black community was overwhelmingly mocking Smollett's fable from jump.

But because the case with the Covington kids involved unforgivably white male kids goofing around while a grifting Native American fraud took efforts to rudely confront them, rather than the hateful racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic hate group RIGHT NEXT TO HIM, the self-flagellating TDS-sufferers see red cuz they literally saw red... the media jumps on it and millions take the bait. You can bet your bottom dollar even though anyone with at least 2 brain cells to rub together now realizes how dishonestly that non-troversy was being exploited to ginned up more hysteria and hate, years from now it will still be remembered as that "horrific hate crime" in which aggressive young white men massacred noble minority veteran saints.

The legendary Battle of Smiles Aggressively vs Sitting Bullshit. I truly don't know how we will be able to tell our grandchildren about this tragedy.

Meanwhile you're STILL ignoring the deranged TDS psychopath who shot up that school cuz you're STILL triggered by a kid who did absolutely nothing wrong other than wear a Make America Great Again hat.

That's how deranged you guys are. Even in a topic about shootings, you ignore the shooter cuz you're so triggered by a dumb hat.


One day you guys will wake up and realize how sick and brainwashed you've become.

 
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Excerpts from the article:

Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction Bill Blair said implementing a national handgun ban is still on the table, and would not rule out issuing a federal order instead of legislation given the limited window of Parliamentary time.

In an interview on CTV’s Question Period, Blair was asked whether the handgun ban that the government had consulted on was still on the table, and if it’s possible it’ll be brought forward before the next election, or as part of the Liberal re-election campaign. He was also asked if it was something he was pushing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on, and if an Order in Council, essentially an order recommended by the executive branch, could be a way that a ban is brought forward.

Blair said that for him, “there is no greater responsibility than the safety of our communities and the safety of our kids,” and that he believes “it’s a view shared by my government.”


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^^So you took what should have been a minor gripe (you don't know anyone who attends Covington, do you?), and turned it into several paragraphs of deeply disturbing grievances. You actually proved my point way more effectively than I could have by demonstrating in a big way EXACTLY what I said in my post.
I don't have the same sort of faith that "you guys" will ever reach that same realization, which is sad, but oh well...
 
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The Liberals' gun reform legislation passed the Senate Tuesday night, meaning changes to the rules related to firearm ownership will soon become law.

The bill's passage has been met with mixed reaction, echoing the way the legislation was received during its journey through Parliament.

The federal Conservatives say that, if elected in the fall, they would repeal the bill.

Bill C-71 includes measures to broaden background checks for gun owners, toughen rules around the transportation of handguns, and tighten record-keeping requirements for the sale of firearms.

The legislation makes changes to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code, and repeals changes made by the previous Conservative government.

The measures in Bill C-71 include:

(1) "Enhance" background checks for those who want to buy a firearm, by broadening the current requirement to consider matters from the last five years to considering information from throughout the person’s lifetime.

(2) Make it so commercial gun shop retailers will have to keep information about sales and inventory for at least 20 years and make these records accessible by police when warranted.

(3) Revamps the current way guns are classified in Canada. There are three types of guns in Canada: "non-restricted," such as hunting rifles and shotguns; "restricted," such as handguns and certain rifles and semi-automatic weapons; or "prohibited," including some handguns, modified riles, and fully automatic guns. These classifications will remain but the bill restores the system that sees Parliament define the three classes, but then leaves it up to the RCMP to classify specific guns.

Very happy to see movement on the issue! More can be done!

 
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The Liberal government says no options have been ruled out to clamp down on guns "designed to hunt people" as it weighs new measures against assault-style rifles and handguns.

The sharply worded statement from the office of Bill Blair, the minister leading the review, comes amid concerns from gun-control advocates that such rifles are becoming more readily available on the legal market.

Firearms groups, meanwhile, fear the government is poised to penalize law-abiding owners in the name of appearing tough on criminals.


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"Eleven people have been killed in a mass shooting carried out by a disgruntled employee"

"Local media is reporting council sources as saying the man had been dismissed from his position just hours before he walked into his former office building carrying a gun."

 
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Internal investigators claimed Peterson “did absolutely nothing to mitigate the MSD shooting,” according to a statement. He faces seven counts of neglect of a child, three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury.

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Let's take a closer look at the person you think "the media should be championing at the forefront".



Amazing to watch the right-wing media circus acting as if racism should have no consequences. I'm sure they'd be screaming bloody hysterics if a black student had said something similar about white people.

Edited by - Macko69 on 6/17/2019 5:25:24 PM


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Macko, stop being pathetic and pretending to care about this. It's desperate and sad.

There is little in this world more sickening than the sanctimony of self-fashioned "tolerant" liberals who are the least tolerant and most abusive people in society today. You want to ruin some kid's life because of your precious fake feelings. I have no doubt in my mind you have done worse things than that kid has said.

Everyone reading this has done worse things in their life. Should it ruin the rest of your life? Should it be the immediate end of your ambitions?

You carry on with your sanctimonious and hypocritical crusade against non-existent Nazis, perpetually aggrieved while tossing stones out of your glass houses, when in fact YOU are the closest thing to Nazis.

I am a liberal. If you want to savage some kid over some disingenuous and infantile banter, it just shows how pathetic you are. You are not a liberal. There is nothing tolerant or sympathetic in you.


Spend more time reflecting on your own fuck ups. When you actually wronged people, not in word, but in deed. Cogitate some more on your personal transgressions in which you actually harmed others directly through your actions. And you remember you've done it more than once, before you hammer another nail into some kid you want to crucify over words.

Stop being pathetic and pretending to care just because it suits your agenda as you find it politically expedient.

Perhaps the worst aspect is these haters with knives out for Kashuv never sacrificed half as much as he did, and because they never achieved what he has, after graduating, if not still at the top of his class then in the top 1%, and with test scores good enough to be accepted into Harvard, are now celebrating the fact that silly irreverent words

Were they hurt by his banter? No. They just want another excuse to hate. Which makes them AT BEST no better than he was when he was 16.

Are you beginning to comprehend the irony here?
At their BEST, they are no better than he was at his WORST. While these emotionally stunted, anti-intellectual savage adults continue to succumb to their festering hatred, which is sincere, the kid who is the target of their naked animus had moved on past his irreverent provocations which were as insincere as they were typical among shit-posting edgelords EXACTLY LIKE HIS CURRENT haters among the social-justice-warrior lynch-mob.

Thanks for high-lighting the irrelevance of such infantile irreverence in stark contrast to the sincere and psychopathic hatred of adults who could never live up to the own standards they apply to others.

The hateful mob now celebrates that Harvard rescinded his acceptance. A better personification of the toxicity which has been the downfall of the left could scarcely be imagined right now.

They eat their own (see "narcissism of little differences"), why should be be surprised they have less than zero compassion for anyone who might disagree even slightly with them politically?

Imagine currently hating someone specifically over their *presumed* and *perceived* hatred of no one in particular years ago....

Imagine being so consumed with this that you apply purity tests akin to those applied by the worst evils throughout history you purport to oppose.

So they celebrate that what that kid sacrificed far more than they ever could, or more likely ever would, and all that is undone by less than 00.00001% of what he has ever said or done throughout his life.

By age 16 how many hundreds of thousands of statements has the average person made? You think it's right that their life should be ruined, everything they struggled and sacrificed to achieve, should be forfeit because of fleeting and insincere trolling shit-posts that do not account for 1/1,000th of 1% of their actual and sincere statements and deeds?


I've seen the specious defenses of such Inquisition-like targeted harassment.

"He's not paying the ultimate penalty. He's still alive."


These people are beyond the pale.

Or they say, he has no right to a higher learning at a private institute. This is absolutely correct. It's not a right. It's a privilege. I'd never argue he has a legal right.

So tell me which school should accept him?
Is he allowed to go to a top 10 school?
Top 20?
Top 50?
Top 100?

After you've adjudicated which school it would be acceptable for him to enroll in, why should we believe you will let it end there? Why should we expect more of your sick and toxic social-justice minded cannibals would ever relent?

What is the principle being applied here? The thing about mobs that makes them a mob is typically that even they don't know what the principle is. They've lost the plot. They have no sense of justice, and how could they? They have no perspective but that which serves their own id.

Forget lofty altruistic notions of the super-ego or even a rational attempt to be circumspect, or hell, just forget honesty. No one who is honest could approve of this.

You are at the point where you are so desperate for bogeymen and villains you have to resort to dredging up shit-posts of teenagers in order to ruin their lives. What the hell happened to you to make you so hateful and dead inside? Was it Trump?

I genuinely feel sorry for you and others like you Macko. Ultimately I think you hate yourself. For whatever reason, you cannot forgive yourself, and as a consequence, rather than taking accountability in your own lives, you project your hatred onto everyone else whose flaws you perceive, however small, which become magnified and serve as target practice for you.

Now aforementioned sickness I referred to which the left suffers from has metastasized to the point of becoming mainstreamed even by right-wingers such as Republican representative David Jolly. Please never speak again on this issue like you take it seriously.



If Kashuv was ever radicalized and - may Krishna forbid - did indeed go out on a killing spree, there would be no question in my mind that he had been radicalized by the left's intolerance and hatred which has never been more pervasive in my lifetime.

The fact we even have to dispel this nonsense for the utter hair-brained conspiratorial canards that they are, so embarrassingly out of touch with both reality and modernity, is the shame of the nation. We've been over this before. This is as embarrassing as scapegoating video-games for school shootings. As gaming has become only exponentially more pervasive in our culture, overall rates of violence have declined dramatically.

You don't get to scapegoat something for what ultimately proves to be the opposite of a emergency. You should be CREDITING and applauding what you are vilifying. I commend Kashuv for all he has sacrificed and achieved. That does not mean I have to endorse every rude or deliberately provocative thing he has ever said. I've said worse things than he did, and not to no one in particular, as he did. I said them to people directly.

And again, you've done worse things to people. And you know you have.

Stop being dishonest. To make the world a better place, you have to be the change you want to see.

Or just keep up these hypocritical sanctimonious witch hunts. Then in a world entirely blinded by eye-for-an-eye social "justice", you don't get to wonder why people became radicalized. It's because you chose to hate, when you did not have to. You chose hate because you cannot forgive yourself. So why wouldn't everyone else choose hate also?

Be less hateful. I guarantee you'll be happier.

Edited by - melvyn on 6/19/2019 3:20:26 AM


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Kyle would seem to have been vindicated. This was back in February:


And with the update on June which it seems no one here cared about



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I enjoyed your punchline.

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And while you're still busy trying to figure out what school it would be fair or tolerable in your mind to have Kashuv accepted into enrollment, or while you're still struggling to determine whether it's moral that he should be able to pursue higher education at all, another question for you:

If Kyle killed himself because everything he had spent his life to this point sacrificing and struggling tirelessly to achieve, including top grades at his school, near perfect SAT scores, and a legitimate acceptance into Harvard, was thrown away over fleeting infantile insincere banter, which does not reflect even 00.00001% of his actual views, and which 99.9999% of people claiming to be offended by are only pretending for political purposes, while the other 00.0001% who are sincerely hurt by have hypocritically actually done more physical harm to people directly, would you be still be happy?

Or would that be what it takes for you to realize how sick and dead inside you are and how void you are of a soul? Would he have to die?

I read a recent post in which he stated he'd gone into a dark spiral.


If it is now the progressive policy to tirelessly seek and dig up something bad, only to make it exponentially worse, I want nothing to do with that. That's what they've done.

Imagine sacrificing even half as much as he did, and then having your highest aspiration, what you sacrificed all that for, robbed. And that buffoon of a representative has the gall to liken you to the person who shot your school and your friends up?

Nothing in your sad and desperate quote-mining suggested anything uniquely alarming that you couldn't find among millions of other teens. It wasn't BECAUSE of those words that he got the best grades. It was despite them.

But rescind his acceptance? Well, after that, yeah I could imagine bad things happening as a consequence. Maybe that's how you make a radical. If he does snap now, we know who to blame. Such disgusting intolerance and hypocrisy. Don't ever pretend to be tolerant. Don't pretend to be compassionate. Don't make me laugh with your "teachable moments." If you're happy about that because you found some trifling dirt to confirm your politically motivated bias, and you approve of that decision, you should stop searching message boards for Nazis (for which the progressive demand exceeds the supply by orders of magnitude) and just look in the mirror.

Edited by - melvyn on 6/19/2019 4:12:10 AM


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I won't say that the ghastly public lynching of Kashuv in the wake of what is undoubtedly one of the lowest moments of his life, obviously behind the massacre, is the equivalent of the infamous Justine Sacco fiasco, but it is comparable.

Sacco's sin was such obvious ironic humor, while I can grant that to the Boomer-and-older generation that it's probably harder to discern the outlandish obvious hyperbole of Kashuv's messages for the shock value intended

But I mean, if you're not in your mid 50s or older, I cannot imagine how isolated or sheltered you are to not realize how common this kind of irreverent and provocative banter is, ESPECIALLY among the very groups supposedly most "hurt" by it. The only part that rings true is the anti-jock attitude. That this seems sincere should be even less surprising among intellectuals. These were the guys picked on and bullied by jocks. Kyle's resentment of jocks could very well have been typical.

Maybe that's the thing. Most of these people pretending to be outraged or hurt probably must never have been attacked before. That's actually becoming much more obvious over time.

The people who whine the most aren't the ones most attacked, but LEAST attacked. They aren't the most vulnerable, they are the most sheltered and insulated. Like probably most boys, I've been attacked, countless times. Not just with "mean" words that "hurt my feelings." I've been beaten and battered. It's part of being a boy. And I count myself as one of the luckier ones. I was strong and could endure a fair amount. The abuse mostly came from older bullies. Mostly white. Some black. Such was the general population. But for scrawnier nerds, they were not so lucky. So it is not hard at all for me to imagine how dark their wishes were. High school was hell, and I had it fairly easy. Many had it much worse.

But when you are attacked or aggrieved, you think the worst of these people. How detached from reality must you be to not realize or admit that? There's no one who's viciously attacked by a female who is above thinking of their attacker as a "bitch." Does that suddenly mean the victim who thinks this way of their attacker is a sexist? Of course not. They just found use for a more specific term. Change the identity of the attacker, and you can find use for other specific terms.

Of course, all of this speculation could be moot and perhaps Kashuv was one of the insulated and sheltered ones himself. Maybe he was never bullied or aggrieved. That would make his ranting all the more irrational and irresponsible. Then it would also be more inexplicable. Was he simply taught to hate jocks and blacks by his parents? Or from popular culture? It's only that we now have to ask these questions since it's been decided his personal lived experience is naturally invalidated since he's a white male and we all know they cannot ever be victims in this white supremacist patriarchy...

In the days since Kashuv has been ritually pilloried, I guess it's not surprising why nobody in the mainstream has even considered asking

But if it was the case that he was bullied, he can't even say any of this. No one would accept it. If it won't excuse his "mean" words, what's even the point? It just makes him look weak and even more embarrassed. He's already lost his case in the court of public opinion, and nothing he can say will ever undo it. People only believe words matter more than actions if they perceive they are the victim of those words, and they can ignore the victims of their own actions. We live in a world where people believe speech is violence. Saying something mean about them is like stabbing them in the neck. Such is the power of mean words.

So then why can't we acknowledge the power of good words? If not equal power, something approaching commensurate? If we condemn and execute someone, we cannot bring them back. But if something can be done with words, then it can be undone. There is no equivalent to murdering someone with words. The only thing close would be if you verbally and formally condemn them, from a place of such authority that by saying it, you make it so. And we do have laws against incitement to violence.

Kyle said some foul shit. Even joked about hypothetical massacre. That was before he experienced one. Do you have to even wonder if that had a serious and lasting impact on him?

So again, what is the verbal equivalent of murdering someone, such that by saying this, it can never be undone? Was Kyle guilty of that? If not, then how can his words not be undone? Why not require he take some sort of sensitivity training or diversity studies? What better purpose could those programs have?

If you do not believe anyone can be redeemed, why are you pretending to favor rehabilitation over punishment? Why are you pushing restorative justice if you don't believe in it?

Again, I'll say maybe I'm wrong. As unlikely as it seems, maybe he is certifiably insane. Maybe he cannot be trusted. Maybe he was bound to snap due to the pressures of academic excellence, due to harassment, due to political radicalization, and now, tragically, even more likely due to his highest aspirations he sacrificed most of his life for being pulled away at the last moment over nonsense...

Maybe he is the monster you and so many others wish he was. And maybe he is that prime example of why you cannot ever redeem some people and they must be a pariah for the rest of their days. It just runs counter to just about everything else the bleeding hearts believe.

But as usual I feel like I'm probably asking too many questions, and only if I'm lucky will even 1/5th of them be answered in anything like good faith.


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Posted - Jun 19 2019 : 11:46AM
I tried to read some of your stuff aloud to my husband. Couldn't even keep a straight face.
So, some other people are also rightly horrified. We agree with him.

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I don't understand the "Kyle is vindicated" thing about how in February 2019 Kyle came out against Deputy Scot Peterson for failing to enter the building during the Parkland shooting. A year before that, pretty much everybody took the same stand.
Peterson resigned, days after the shooting.

and:

Being upset with that deputy isn't an unusual or special thing, peculiar to Kyle Kashuv, and is not a display of deep insight or anything. 'Everybody' was upset about it.

Vindication - The action of clearing someone of blame or suspicion. Proof that someone or something is right, reasonable, or justified.

I guess 'everyone' is right, reasonable, or justified.

But it's a weird thing to build your narrative on.


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As expected, Melvyn mounts a impassioned defense of a white racist spewing the N-word. From the same guy who once posted that Colin Kaepernick is "ignorant and cowardly" for quietly protesting the abuse/murders of innocent black people by cops. So predictable. No nuance. No "Well, maybe teens can learn from this by being more careful with their language" type of acknowledgement. Just a spittle-spewing rant that essentially accuses EVERYONE IN THE WORLD of saying and doing much worse than what this stupid kid did.


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Jesus fucking doodles, this kid is really a piece of shit, ain't he?

Host: "So you're mentioning they (Harvard Univ. founders) had slave owners in the 1600s.

Kashuv: "Mmmhmm"

Host: "You using the N-word was what...a year, year and a half ago?"

Kashuv: "Two years ago"

Host: "Two years ago...a little more recent."

Kashuv: "Ok"

His "apology" was nothing of the sort. A person who was truly remorseful wouldn't say this sort of rubbish. They would have accept that Harvard rescinded their admission as punishment, and they wouldn't go on a talk show to try to explain it away.

Kashuv deserves a full scholarship to Trump University. I heard the founder of that school was a racist too, so it's pretty much the same as going to Harvard, right?


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Posted - Jun 19 2019 : 11:45PM
Progressive vehement anti-war critic Jimmy Dore weighs in on your pitiful attempt to destroy a kid. This is the take you deserve.

Jimmy is absolutely correct. HuffPo had absolutely no business doing this. It was private exchanges. It is NOT newsworthy or relevant to the only reason they know about Kashuv in the first place, which is 1st and foremost that he's a survivor of the school massacre.

HuffPo is banking off misery and abuse of children, and eagerly stirs the shit up to ruin a kid's life. This is as low as it gets. Stop pretending you care.

If there was any credible concern over his comments, why wasn't it presented BEFORE the shooting? Because they knew good and well it was not credible and he was just being deliberately flippant for the humor of shock value.


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 12:08AM
^^ Macko, Jesus Christ on a cracker. Take a moment and realize where you are at in your life that you are happy to call this kid a "piece of shit." You are eager to attack some kid you never met personally, over what?

What has your life become that you need this? What he put in that restricted chat log was shameful enough, and for HuffPo to publish it is bad enough. There's thousands of deranged lunatics who already irrationally hated him for his legitimate views on the 2nd amendment.

Don't pretend for a moment this is anything other than confirmation bias "gotcha" moment that has nothing to do with anything relevant to the issue. How pitiful and desperate must you be to rely on this to substantiate your hateful bias? No one privy to that convo believed it was credibly threatening or concerning or it should have been dealt with already.

No one is interested in excusing his infantile shock-value humor. We just have to face the fact that people say outrageous shit to their peers, especially teenagers intentionally trying to push the envelope, but it doesn't mean you should expose private exchanges to ruin their lives.

Whose life did this kid ruin? Yours, Macko?

He joked about a school shooting, then months later he experiences the terror of one personally. Must be really funny to you. Perhaps you think that was only fitting. Perhaps you think it was worth his school being shot up just to serve your self-righteous, sanctimonious notions of indignation.

Or maybe that wasn't enough for you, Macko? Should he have been shot since he joked about it?

You're acting like you believed he was sincere with those remarks. How much more of a victim do you believe he must be made into before enough is enough? Experiencing a horrific massacre in which 17 people died is not enough punishment to properly atone for his sins?

I noticed you failed to answer the most critical question I posed, along with every other question: If you believe he should be barred from Harvard, then where should he be permitted to attend, or do you not believe he should be able to attend any institution for higher learning? Should this be the end of his aspirations?

Tell me, whose life did he ruin, such that you feel justified in ruining his?

The damage from having that chat log exposed was bad enough. But what the hell is education for, if not to improve and set people on a course for success?


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 12:42AM
^^Not supposed to do what to kids? Not supposed to criticize them for using the N-word? (adults should DEFINITELY criticize kids they catch using the N-word). Not supposed to let them into Harvard because they were exposed for using the N-word? (Yeah, that's not a decision many of us have control over). Not supposed to chuckle because we discovered that yet ANOTHER GOP poster boy is a racist? (Uh, hell no - laughing when racists are exposed feels pretty damn good, and I think I'm going to continue to do so.)

If you don't think we should use traumatized young people to push political agendas, maybe you take your own advice. Let me remind you that as far as I was concerned, this kid didn't even exist before YOU posted about him on November 27, 2018 (when Kashuv was still a minor, by the way):

You can't push this dummy towards us as a shining example of conservative excellence, then claim none of us can laugh at this prick when he turns out to be just another racist in the GOP. Too bad - you can't have it both ways.

Edited by - macko69 on 6/20/2019 4:32:12 AM


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 12:47AM
You're out of your element to be still so ignorant of what has set Kyle apart, which is his defense of 2A. He's not content to blame guns like MOST of those you refer to. The ones who got limelight and much more exposure by mainstream media.
His contention was from the start that it was a failure of authorities and their inaction, but it wasn't just that. It also goes to Obama's agenda, which pushed the PROMISE program, specifically intended to give more minority students more chances. When this lax policy was first implemented, attacks on teachers skyrocketed by tens of thousands of incidents within 1 year.

That's why Cruz got dozens of opportunities without any significant consequence. The police received 45 calls about Cruz. Obama's lax policies maybe helped many minority youth across the nation. But it didn't help those kids massacred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas last Valentine's Day.

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That officer let them down. The superintendent, one of Obama's toadying sycophants, let them down. The sheriff, who backed the superintendent's disastrous policy, let them down. President Obama let them down by pushing this.

But naturally it's the guy lowest on the totem poll who takes the biggest hit and is buried the hardest, despite each one of his superiors having far more responsibility, not tangentially but DIRECTLY, for creating these conditions that resulted in 17 dead.

And guess where Obama's fellow Chicagoan, superintendent Runcie, attended college? Harvard. You can bet your bottom dollar Harvard would have no problem inviting either Runcie or Obama to give a speech any time they want. And why not? They're only responsible for death and mayhem in schools, and death and destruction of millions of people worldwide, respectively. Harvard must be so proud of them.

Meanwhile we should have no doubt that Kyle Kashuv, despite his unfashionable conservative political views about 2A, earned his place at this Harvard which produces war criminals and bumbling incompetents guilty of the worst negligence possible at their position. But we can only wonder how legitimate Runcie's acceptance was... perhaps as dubious as Hogg's.

And aren't Asian students suing Harvard as well? Maybe they are ultimately the ones most aggrieved, and if Harvard only went by academic merit, we wouldn't have to know about any of this horror. Runcie and Obama would be vanished from history, and even Kashuv probably wouldn't make the cut, since his SAT scores were just shy of perfect, which is what most of the Asian students suing Harvard achieved.


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 12:55AM
Since this is your "most critical question", I'll answer it. I don't give a fuck where this kid goes to school. See, I don't have any sort of delusion that I can control what schools he should or shouldn't attend, so any school that wants to accept him is not something I care about. Even if Harvard were to un-rescind his acceptance, I really wouldn't care. I just enjoy chuckling at racist idiots fucking up their own lives. It's cathartic.
What sort of hysterical question is that? He will never read what I wrote here, and even if he did, do you think the words of a stranger on a porn message board would ruin his life? Keep things in their proper perspective, man.

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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 1:05AM
You're contributing nothing to this discussion. I asked several questions, and you couldn't answer a single one.

So I'll repeat the most critical one: if you believe Kashuv does not deserve to attend Harvard, even though he had already earned acceptance, then could you please suggest where he should be permitted to pursue further education? Or is it justified in your mind that this must be the end of his line?

You and Macko are content to praise war criminals responsible for the death and displacement of millions of people around the world and untold suffering which is even beyond Chomsky's comprehension... war criminals who in fact were accepted into and have graduated from Harvard, the same school in question... which is not rescinding it's previous acceptance of Kashuv for political reasons.

"We're proud of our war criminals who have wrought Biblical-scale misery upon untold millions, but we simply can't have anything to do with this victim of a school massacre on account of icky things he said in jest!"

Yes, heaven forfend! He said some shameful words! He shall be marked with the new scarlet letter, "N" for that which must never be said. He shall never progress in life, for as we all know, no one has capacity for growth, least of all those minds of developing youth.

You know who else aspired to the top institutes but was rejected? Hitler. Rejected by art snobs. History tells us how well that turned out. We could have just enjoyed a remedial artist painting scenic vistas, perhaps unremarkably, but instead we got genocide and slaughter of tens of millions...

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe Kashuv will grow to be the next Hitler... it would be about as fitting as your wishing he suffer a massacre for joking about a massacre...


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 1:29AM
Kaepernick is ignorant and cowardly because he perpetuates ignorance and cowardice. And the ignorance he spreads just gets hundreds of misguided black men killed by police every month and dozens of innocent police, who sacrifice life and limb to protect him, senselessly slain. The people he pretends to care most about. Because Kaepernick preaches hopelessness and ignorance. What other chance do they have in a system that, according to him, wants them dead for no reasons he has ever even bothered to hypothesize, not even as a ridiculous conspiracy. Just nonsense serving no one for no reason. Still not as many as whites killed by police. Not even close. But what should it matter as long as he keeps getting fat paychecks from Nike, which is in business with the NFL which he. He's taking what he believes in his own words to be blood money. Such cluelessness...

Back to the topic at hand, once again I remind you that you are guiltier in your deeds than Kashuv is for his words. But you cannot forgive yourself, so it's only predictable you could not forgive some youth you never met, who you've been pimpled and emotionally exploited by the media into hating...

You are consumed by hatred that is so irrational. Seriously, I suggest you take a listen to Jimmy Dore in that link I posted. Both you and Pieps are in dire need of some sobriety and rationality. It's not like Dore is some far-right reactionary. He and his co-hosts are progressives with enough sense to realize that disagreeing with someone over an archaic dichotomy isn't sufficient to justify your being consumed by blind hatred for them. At least Jimmy and co realize both parties are corrupt, so they don't prejudge everyone and take every bit of obvious bait from the legacy media dinosaurs, designed to confirm their biases.

This is not quite as bad as colossal Covington backfire fake-liberals had to choke down crow over, but it's dangerously close. It's just another simple test you struggle mightily to recognize, let alone pass.

Oftentimes when people are sticking their neck out or going overboard, the voice of reason points out that not everything is a hill worth dying on.
Right now the voice of reason for you is saying not every kid you disagree with is worth crucifying.


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 2:07AM
You should read your own posts. They go on and on and on and on with you airing your grievances. If a person in law enforcement read them, they'd probably call it your "manifesto". You clearly didn't understand what I meant when I stated this earlier:
You are pretty much the last person on earth should be dispensing tips on how to be happy. Your posts really read like you're sweating, grinding your teeth, uttering guttural noises, and pounding your fist as your write them.

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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 2:15AM
Oh sure, a moment ago you're calling some kid you never met, who you know virtually nothing about, a "piece of shit" in your own words. Now you don't care... Of course. Maybe you should have sought catharsis and by not caring in the first place, before joining the mob and piling on. Now you're pretending to not care... but you don't fool anyone in here.

Your answer is a non-answer. You cared enough to hate, but not enough to understand the matter at hand, not enough to even imagine a solution for the problem you invented in your own mind. For my part, I care because I do understand, and I do see obvious rational solutions which would serve everyone.

It is not enough to spew mindless hatred out there, as your emotional response to petty grievances you had to dig desperately to find. That is why, as I said before, this attitude leaves you at your best still worse than the source of your dismay was at their worst. He was 16 and highly likely under tremendous stress trying to maintain perfect grades, and just felt like cutting up for a moment with insincere flippant shock humor. You're an adult with nothing better to do than dig dirt up on kids you disagree with. What's your excuse?

I knew you couldn't answer the question though. Saying you don't care now is a lie. Like so many others, you delighted in his life aspirations being ruined. That was his whole life ahead of him.

You think what he posted was shameful? So do I. But you know good and well you do no want to be judged off of 00.000001% of the things you have said in your life, especially in jest with obvious hyperbole for shock value.

You cannot answer the question because you painted yourself into an intolerant corner. You cared enough to hate, but not enough to understand. So you will continue failing to understand, and just find yourself hating more and more. And remember, you will never resolve matters you do not understand.

Because you assume he won't read any of this, you feel like it's okay to shit on him? OK fair enough. But gee, did it ever occur to you that maybe that's exactly what he was thinking when he posted his own shitty jokes, on an even more private and obscure chat log? "No one who'd be offended by this is going to see it, so it's no big deal." That's your reasoning... And sure enough, there's no report of anyone raising a stink about it until years later when it became politically expedient for them...

Again, he was 16. What's your excuse? And how would you feel if your own hateful messages were exposed and it cost you your livelihood?

Is it really so hard for supposed liberals or progressives to imagine someone else's experience? Usually this sort of insular bigotry is reserved for far right conservatives.
It's only gotten increasingly obvious when folks cannot even see 1 step past their own agenda, such that if they were on the receiving end, their whole attitude would change.

You can keep pretending to be holier than thou, but I'm not buying it.

And what is all this for? What principle? None evidently.

Who are you defending?
Obama and Hillary? War criminals.

What pillar of virtue?
Harvard? Which is being sued for racial discrimination.

What is your prestigious and trusted source, your paragon of objectivity?
The bloody HuffPo?
Do you REALLY think they are any better than Breitbart? Because they are not. Breitbart and Huffpo are just two sides of the same coin. Their value is shared.

I'll encourage you once again to listen to Jimmy Dore. Tapper and the legacy media which credulously propagate deep state talking points to push imperialism around the world... they have no valuable insight or principles. No leg to stand on. He's not even the worst of them, but Tapper should feel ashamed to have to grill a kid over such nonsense. What an embarrassment. This is what mainstream journalism is reduced to. Grilling kids over perceived grievances, e.g. Covington.

Keep this up if you insist, but you may no longer wonder how Trump keeps winning... Or listen to me, and come to your senses, put the pitchforks down. stop hating people irrationally, stop becoming the very monsters you've been purportedly battling, and start understanding how you failed. You have to be the change you want to see in the world. You don't defeat intolerance with more intolerance. You don't defeat authoritarian hate speech by appealing to more authoritarianism to suppress views you don't like. You're going to end up being the first to be silenced by those you fought tooth and nail to forfeit power to.

More speech is the solution.


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 5:30AM
I’m glad we agree on this. Anyways, I bet you’re super glad your boy won’t be going to Harvard, because of how you think it’s so terrible and all.

You have to admit - you introduced Kashuv as a shining example of a great young man. He’s an intelligent kid - his test scores and grades prove that out, but you really gushed over this guy. He made a mistake and it cost him admission to War Crimes U.. Oh well...maybe next time he’ll be more careful.

I’m sure he’s grown a lot since those unfortunate messages, but his attempts to explain his words by saying he doesn’t hold any ill feelings towards slave-owning Harvard founders from the 1600s, ...oh no, that was not good. I wouldn’t be surprised if Harvard admissions people called him first to talk to him. I wonder if he brought up those slave-owning Harvard founders? Because that would definitely tip the scale!


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 11:01AM
Melvyn wrote:
Couldn't? Didn't because they were premised on misinformation. Like this one:
I never said he doesn't deserve to attend Harvard. That's not for me to decide. Every year, Harvard has to sift through a surplus of admissions applications and turn down a lot of people. Most of them are deserving. Kashuv just dropped in their rankings relative to some of the others. If he goes to Harvard, then some other student is denied. Someone with better judgment, perhaps, or more self-control. But it's not "the end of the line" for either one of them to go to some other college instead. All of us who didn't go to Harvard didn't just curl up at the edges and start to wither and die. That would indicate a lack of resourcefulness, at the very least.
I don't know where you got that quote. Nobody said it, and I'm not sure anyone thought it. Certainly nobody here. If someone did say that, you'll have to address these remarks to them.

Edited by - Pieps on 6/20/2019 11:10:15 AM


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 11:12AM
How are we right about Kashuv growing up to be Hitler when neither one of us said he'd grow up to be Hitler? I wish you'd turn your crazy imagination on someone else.

And I have no idea where you got the thing about us wishing for the kid to suffer a massacre. Do you mean that before Parkland we were hoping there'd be a mass shooting? Is it really against the smartbuydisc.ru rules to say what I think of that? You're all angry about things that nobody said.


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Posted - Jun 20 2019 : 7:04PM
Melvyn's posts are all unhinged rants which have little connection to reality:
He's pre-forgiving Kashuv in the case that he snaps and kills people. He's saying if Kashuv becomes a mass shooter, it's my (our?) fault for pushing him over the edge. Melvyn actually believes if Kashuv shoots someone, Kashuv shouldn't be held responsible. When he says "...we know who to blame", he isn't referring to Kashuv - he's referring to those who criticized him. The implications of this claim are pretty frightening if you think about it.

I can honestly say I'm glad I am able to preserve my anonymity here because if Melvyn actually found out my identity, I have no doubt he'd do everything to fuck up my life. If you read his posts, he sounds like he's a pressure cooker waiting to explode.

Below is only a part of one of the single posts Melvyn has made above:

Melvyn needs professional help.

 
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Posted - Aug 4 2019 : 8:17AM
My God...2 mass shootings in as many days...

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Posted - Aug 4 2019 : 8:44AM
^

"Nine people in Ohio have been killed in the second mass shooting in the US in less than 24 hours, and the suspected shooter is also deceased, police said."

"... came hours after a young man opened fire in a crowded El Paso, Texas, shopping area, leaving 20 dead and more than two dozen injured.

Just days before, on July 28, a 19-year-old shot and killed three people, including two children, at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in Northern California."

 
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