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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 5:56PM
Even though most my views tend to side
with traditional Republican ideology,
I'm pro-choice & you?


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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:05PM
As a libertarian, I would go with pro-choice, but I admit I get angry when I hear about people using abortion as a method of general birth control. I think people need to think more long-term in their lives, especially when it comes to something as important as sex.

I can't imagine myself ever having an abortion, except if I had been raped or the life of myself or the baby were in danger.

 
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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:05PM
First let me say that I know this is a controversial subject so I'd like people to watch themselves in replying to this. If I see it deteriorating at all I'm going to close it down before it gets too messy.

That said, I can't say that I completely fall in either camp. I live comfortably in the middle, altough I fall closer to the pro-choice side than the pro-life side.

 
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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:13PM
My thoughts are pretty much in line with what Tricia wrote.

And I can't imagine myself ever having an abortion either.


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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:32PM
Pro-Choice
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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:32PM
Definitely pro choice - from a purely pragmatic point of view as well.

History has shown that when abortion bans have been in place, all it has done is drive it underground and many women lost their health and in some cases even their lives as a result of seeking "back-street abortions".

Just like there is with illicit drugs, prostitution and porn, there will ALWAYS be a demand for abortion, and no matter how much the so-called "Pro-Lifers" may want to legislate or wish it away, the demand will be there no matter what, which means that there'll always be those willing to provide the service.

So it's much better to have it legal so that it's regulated, controlled and as safe as possible for the women concerned.


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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:59PM
Pro-choice.

Its the woman's body so it should be up to her whether to give birth or not.


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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 7:04PM
I think that abortion is a horrible choice and I would never choose that option; however, it isn't my choice: that choice ultimately belongs in the hands of the woman who is carrying the baby. And as much as I abhor the concept of abortion, I will always vote for candidates who will leave that choice with her.

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 8:35PM
What Tricia said.

And much as I don't like to see it used as birth control, there's no idea less appealing than being born to a mother who is irresponsible, on drugs, or just doesn't want a kid.

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 9:12PM
I dont really care, if someone wants abortion let them have it

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 9:26PM
Pro-Choice

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 9:28PM
Pro-Choice

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 9:37PM
Pro-choice

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:39PM
Pro-Choice, but not at taxpayer expense.
 
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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:45PM
I have no problem with it being at the taxpayer's expense. The children who would be born because the mother couldn't afford an abortion would cost the taxpayers a whole lot more in welfare than the abortion would.
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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:51PM
Pro-Choice

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Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:52PM
Pro-life

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:08AM
pro-choice simply because it isn't my body and I'm not arrogant enough to consider imposing my morals or doubts on another human being.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:32AM
Pro-choice
 
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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:38AM
Pro-death

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 11:05AM
Can I get an AMEN!

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 11:19AM
AMEN!

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:00PM
I am, personally, against abortion and would recommend alternatives. However, I believe that, utltimately, it's the woman's decision - so I'm pro-choice.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:02PM
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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:08PM
I am against any law that prevents people from having sovereignty over their own bodies--abortion, mandatory seat belts, drug laws, prostitution, and laws stifling buttfucking. Pro-choice on all those things.
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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:11PM
Brilliantly put, BigFerret!

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:37PM
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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:04PM
I am against any law that prevents people from having sovereignty over their own bodies and minds . Pro-choice on suicide and education too.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:36PM
Pro Choice... and pro death penalty... lets get em coming and going.
Seriously, if the woman can't, for whatever reason raise a child, why bring it into the world?

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:50PM
100 % pro-choice. And I'll march to defend these rights if I get the occasion.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 2:18PM
I agree, except for the seatbelts part. Without some of the laws requiring seatbelts and motorcycle helmets, we were seeing:

1) little kids riding on the backs of motorcycles without helmets and in the backs of pickup trucks (a big wreck near Tucson wiped out a whole truckload of kids a few years back)

2) taxpayers picking up the medical cost for scrambled brains on the pavement, unless your medical insurance costs skyrocketed to cover it.

Pro-Choice doesn't need to apply to things that endanger other people or stick them with the bill. Then they should be in on the choosing.


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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 2:20PM
Choice.
Though if I ever found myself in a situation where I unexpectedly could become a father, I would not urge an abortion.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 2:35PM
I understand the point and have heard such often from friends and others. I suspect my opinion is a minority one on this topic. I've never seen stats for health care costs associated with folks flying through windshields. I am not saying they are not out there, however, and I suspect you're right. I don't think they should get a cent in free care. As for the kids, I think this is an example of parents relying on the government to force them to do what they should be doing in the first place. You should have your kids belted and helmeted because you love them and don't want them harmed. People who only do this because of a state directive are quite sad and I feel very sorry for the children of such shitty parents. That being said, I cannot find any Constitutional reason for telling people to wear seat belts.


Edited by - BigFerret on 11/17/2003 2:52:53 PM


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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 2:39PM
Having experienced the perculiar delight of smashing my skull through a windshield, shattering some pretty hard glass with my hard head, I can appreciate seatbelt legislation. I may still have chosen to ignore it, but if it gives me a little extra nudge against my own foolishness, it's a good idea. (Of course, the driver had been smoking crack -- but that actually saved us. His quick reactions prevented a much worse accident).

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 2:53PM
My husband was not wearing his seat belt when he fell asleep driving home after working graveyard shift (a 90 minute drive) and exited the car through the ripped out floorboards to end up with his left leg cut off and a 2 week brain hemorrhage (they reattached the leg). We are both grateful that his passenger was wearing a seat belt and remained firmly in the car, sustaining only a bruise to his shoulder.

We are also both glad that seat belt laws are there. He had nothing against wearing a seat belt, but there were no laws in place then, and he just didn't bother.

The law gives us an easy way to get passengers to belt up in the car (so we don't get sued for missing limbs when it might just have been a bruise). And anyone old enough to remember pre-legislation, I never saw a kid with a bike helmet, almost never with a motorcycle helmet, never saw a child in a car seat, frequently saw them in the back of a pickup truck, and very seldom saw kids even with a seat belt. I had a very caring stepmother, but we were never asked to wear the seat belts. Not once.


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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 3:30PM
Jesus! That's horrible! Wow -- I'm glad everything worked out OK, Lindi. {skronker shudders at the very thought and the horrible mental image and will ALWAYS ALWAYS wear a seatbelt from now on .... }


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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 3:57PM
I personally believe that anyone who has children has an obligation to do everything in their power to protect those children. But... notice that I said "anyone who has children". These are individuals. This is not the Federal Government. The Federal Government has not role in more frivolous legislation that dictates how a person should be forced to raise their children. This is against the entire essence of the constitution.

Each and every time that I can recount the Federal Government "helping us out" by legislating laws to "protect families", it has actually done more to diminish the entire role of the family in American society. How can I say this? Quite simply... when the individual is removed from the role of being a crucial decision maker in the household, and when this function is relegated to the government, the entire fabric of the family is compromised.

The excuse that "not all parents are capable of making sound family decisions regarding the children" sounds remarkably like the 1930's diatribe that flowed rampantly throughout the then infantile Nazi Germany.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 3:58PM
When driving I rarely ever wear my seatbelt
unless told to do so if I'm the passenger
in a vehicle. I prefer going through the
windshield rather than being trapped or
crushed inside during impact.



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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 4:08PM
Very glad to see this topic hasn't degenerated into what we know could have been an ugly atmosphere. That being said I'm pro-choice. That however does not make me pro abortion. Big difference. Every woman that has her baby is pro-choice. They chose to have it. Our gov't loves to stand on the soapbox and rail against third world countries for things such as forced sterilization or when they remove the womens clitorisis by saying how can your your gov't allow this to happen to women by openly promoting and invading their bodies in such a way without their choice or consent. Yet, we turn around and some hypocritically want to legislate and use our gov't to say what a woman can and can't do with HER body.

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Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 5:46PM
Pro-choice.
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Posted - Nov 18 2003 : 9:24AM
Pro-choice.

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Posted - Nov 18 2003 : 11:59AM
Pro-choice.

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How much do abortions cost?

Does your medical coverage pay for it?

How long is the procedure?


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Posted - Nov 19 2003 : 7:55PM
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I'm pro-choice. As I see it, the right to terminate or carry a pregnancy to term lies with the pregnant woman, not the state. That being said, I don't like the idea of abortions being a convenient means of birth control when there are women with dare I say more urgent ob/gyn needs from medical professionals who are often overworked as it is. Sex education should be mandatory and affordable family planning options should be made available too.

As others have said, the legislation permitting abortions makes it safer. Making something illegal will only make things more dangerous for those who are so desperate to have the abortion done.

For the rhetoric that the pro-life legislation is to defend those who can't defend themselves, the rhetoric should be consistent and not last for just 9 months. If that child gets cold or hungry, it won't be defended by the state with benefits & welfare becoming harder to secure or not reaching as far. If that child gets ill, it won't be defended by those who think affordable healthcare is the devil's work. When those children are under threat in schools, I bet those same pro-lifers will rely on thoughts and prayers to defend them.


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 5:54PM
100% pro-choice in cases in which pregnancies haven't yet reached their 20th week, but once we get to the point that we're talking about a being with a complex cerebral cortex, then things get more complicated.
 
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Posted - Jun 5 2019 : 4:37AM
Pro-Choice

In my Country back in 1982 we had a National Referendum to ask what the Whole Country thought about that , actually we had a law so called !84 that allowed abortion and removed it from the penal code , it would no longer be a crime , the referendum was demanded by the Church in order to restore the previous set of laws. They thought that a Catholic population would never accept such a thing , especially if given proper instructions from the Pope the Bishops and the Cardinals.
The proposal of abrogation was rejected with a 79% of votes and Abortion stayed


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Posted - Jun 10 2019 : 8:27AM
Pro-choice, we already have way too many neckbeards.. people on the planet, why bring in unwanted people.

Be interested to know any stats on girls using it like a convenient means of birth control?

 
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I'd add another thing, unless the state can provide absolute assurance no medical problem would occur to the mother to be while giving birth and that there is a 100% of success with carrying the baby to terms and gifing him/her/them birth then
A) if there's a risk of life for the woman nobody is entitled to take the chance on her behalf and especially no male could, it's her life at stake any choice about it is up to her, not even the father to be has any right to say anything.

B) Without a 100% rate of successful births we're not really talking about any life here, if there's no guarantee the baby would survive there's no point into putting the mother to be at risk, what if she dies because of her pregnancy? What if this occurs becase she was forced to carry the baby to terms even knowing it was a risk?What if she dies and the baby dies with her?
Who is entitled to choose what risks have to be taken by anybody, what kind of laws forces anybody to risk his life, how this would apply with Man's individual rights? Isn't everybody granted the right to choose wheter to risk his life or not?

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