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Posted - Jul 20 2019 : 10:52AM
Indeed. Any medical professional who offers absolute assurance of no medical complications with carrying the baby to term and/or birthing them should hand in their licence.

Ordinarily, I support fathers' rights then they want to be part of their children's lives but while the child/foetus/embryo/zygote remains is growing inside the expecting mother, the choice whether to terminate the pregnancy or not is down to her.

 
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Posted - Jul 20 2019 : 12:20PM
same here the contendent wouldn't be on equal condition time will be running , so the only thing the father should do would be to wait right until she is on the road to abort then stop her through a court order then delay the decision enough to pass the law limit , at this point he doesn't even need a judge , she couldn't do it legally anymore then he wins.

Since time works against her and it's still her life, the choice is hers alone.

Edited by - LCF on 7/20/2019 12:22:10 PM

 
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Posted - Jul 22 2019 : 8:32PM
In the second paragraph if talking about for her health I agree.

But if you are talking about bringing a life into the world that will be his (responsibilty) too and bears his DNA then I disagree that the decision is entirely hers.


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Posted - Jul 23 2019 : 2:26AM
^ I do not agree with your apparent view that carrying offspring bearing the father's DNA gives him dominion over the mother's body or her reproductive rights in general.

There's little in the way of middle ground in terms of carrying to term or not so I would have to leave the decision as she is the one with more of the physical and biological burden to bear and the greater potential risks.


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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 10:53AM

The guy does have a choice -- abstinence, condoms, vasectomy, etc. He can roll the dice, but there might be consequences.

He's not going to have the legal right to force someone else to have an abortion.


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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 2:44PM
^ This. Too many people want all of the fun but none of the responsibilities or consequences. I would also add that there's a big societal bias toward women being expected to make most if not all the effort to prevent unplanned pregnancy when it still takes two to cause one.
 
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actually no an abortion does not prevent a pregnancy it would cease it,on the other hand a condom would prevent a pregnancy , as for the pill there's no pill for men that I know of , but after all a woman would produce roughly an egg cell every month , a man millions of spermatozoa every day you'd have to deactivate them all
Furthermore the ovulation is an hormone cycle , the pill disrupt it, spermatozoa are produced no stop there's no particular cycle to disrupt

Edited by - LCF on 7/25/2019 5:23:08 PM


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^ Actually you need to lay off the booze or get treatment for whatever inhibited your capacity to read.

I responded to the topic above that there are options for men to prevent unplanned pregnancy and that women are often expected to be solely responsible for birth control be it taking the contraceptive pill, using a diaphragm or her pushing her man to wear a condom or have a vasectomy if there are no plans to have (more) children.

 
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did you really need to be so aggressive or it is your pipe talking?

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I'm pro what-ever-the-fuck Donald Trump say's we are. If your white, abortion is an abomination. If you're not, abortion is warranted. Just getting rid of human cockroaches. Simple as that!

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2 people make the baby they both have responsibilties for the life of that child once it is born.

As I said if the pregnancy affects her health yes it is completely upto her.

But if there is no health risk to her then the physical and biological burden you speak of last 9 months verus the financial and every other burden BOTH must carry for the rest of their lives at least first 20 years of that child before it grows into adulthood and more.

I 100% disagree completely that because she has to physically carry the child that they BOTH created for that initial 9 months that she ALONE decides the outcome of the rest of BOTH of their lives and everything that goes with raising and being responsible for a human life for the rest of BOTH their lives.

Edit: The idea that she says 'No you have ZERO say in it, is my body and I ALONE make the decision' is just blatantly ridiculous, and I have no idea of stats but may be responsible for single mums and foster care children etc.

I am all for pro-choice and don't believe the state etc or anyone else should decide, but that one person alone in determining the outcome of what was created by both people and that will affect all 3 of their lives is just ridiculous especially when think I said we have an over population problem as it is.

Edited by - draghixafan on 8/2/2019 11:24:14 PM


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Posted - Aug 3 2019 : 2:20AM
^ I'm sorry you think my opinion is "blatantly ridiculous". I feel the same way of your view that the DNA argument gives the father an inalienable stakehold as it smacks of vanity.
 
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The point there's always a risk , an infection while giving birth for example, also depending on the age of the woman problems with calcium, you know calcium can only be absorbed at a given rate and no more than that thus while pregnant a woman's body has to care her own bones and to that of the fetus , but she can't raise her daily quota so what goes to the fetus has to be taken from her own . Normally this has no concequences on a healthy woman already grown up but can create problems to one who hasn't for example a teenager in need of calcium for her own growing , and this could very much have consequences
 
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As indicated in other posts, pregnancy and childbirth inherently affects a woman's physical and mental health, not only during the pregnancy but during and after childbirth and for a long time afterward. In addition, there are social expectations that intersect with the biological: the woman is expected to feed and care for the newborn in the initial months and often is expected to remain in a motherly capacity for many years. Men may be told they should support the child, but if they abandon the family they rarely suffer the kind of hostility and resentment a woman would. In fact, in most cases, if the man sends a cheque each month he is considered a responsible father. Physical, biological realities impact these cultural expectations. Most obviously, a man can hit the road while the woman is still pregnant. A woman obviously cannot.

There are a host of reasons why men should not have an equal say in whether or not a woman carries a fetus to term and gives birth. In a perfect world where parenting expectations were not gendered, a man still should not have an equal say as their body is not being used as a host vessel, is not going to be split open and sewn back together when birthing the hosted party, does not have to spend upwards of a year recovering from massive physical trauma, and is not at risk of the many physical complications that come along with pregnancy and childbirth, such as death. That said, I advocate for open communication, conversation, negotiation, and all that good stuff that makes up a healthy relationship....and that can only exist in a society that views parents as mutually responsible parties regardless of gender. With all that in mind, I think women have the right to do with their body what they feel is best, and I do not think anyone else but the affected woman should have final say.


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^ +1
 
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^^
Exactly what I meant but put waaay better!

Edited by - LCF on 8/16/2019 4:32:34 AM

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