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2/08
Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 6:45PM
1. Which do you think is the better sci-fi film?
2. Do you think a better sci-fi film has been made than either of these two, if so what?

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12/07
Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 9:38PM
I love both films, but watching them again recently, I think Alien has held up better. Plus I'm more into horror than action films, and as well as being great SF, Alien is a near perfect horror movie.
As for better SF films:
Blade Runner
2001: A Space Odyssey
Aliens (totally contradicting what I wrote above about horror vs action movies)
Actually that's about it...
Although I love 12 Monkeys, The Thing, Brazil, The Fly (1986 version), Planet of the Apes (1968 version), Mad Max 2, Gattaca, and quite a few others.

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Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 5:41AM
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3/06
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 5:48AM
I'd have to say they're pretty close to an even tie, maybe with Terminator pulling out just a little ahead. Both are uncommonly good and thought-provoking Sci-Fi. Both were groundbreaking for their time. And both are still highly watchable. Arnold was absolutely menacing as the Terminator. Perfectly cast. Perfectly acted.
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey, Planet Of The Apes (original). Aliens is better than Alien. Jurassic Park wasn't better than the others but was damn good. T2 was better than the original.

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8/07
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 6:58AM
Alien

Terminator is still a good movie, but it hasn't aged gracefully. I actually prefer an Indonesian rip-off (kinda) called Lady Terminator. That movie is the shit!

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6/07
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 7:53AM
1. Alien
2. 2001: a space odyssey
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5/06
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 8:47AM
I would have a hard time coming up with a better sci-fi movie than 2001 and I certainly would not be able to come up with a deeper one.

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12/04
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 9:53AM
It's a very tough question because they are 2 excellent movies and they are 2 different styles. I loved both but I would have to say that I enjoyed "Terminator" just a bit more.

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2/06
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 10:44AM
both movies haven't aged well, Aliens is better than either of those 2. Wrath Of Khan is pretty much the perfect sci fi movie to me.

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10/07
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 11:22AM
Alien for it's suspenseful moments edges out Terminator-slightly. +1 on Wrath of Khan. I wish someone would take a look at some of Andre Norton's works for screenplays and a movie or dozen.

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10/02
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 6:08PM
I like Alien better than Terminator but it gets harder if I have to make a choice between Aliens and Terminator 2 because both were masterpieces!

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2/00
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 7:13PM
1. Alien
2. Many, many, many. Offhand:
Metropolis
Bride of Frankenstein
Frankenstein
The Host
Videodrome
Serenity
Being John Malkovich
Alphaville
Brazil
La Jetée
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
eXistenZ
Space Is The Place
A Clockwork Orange
2001: A Space Odyssey

Edited by - ultradamno on 3/30/2008 7:21:11 PM

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10/07
Posted - Mar 30 2008 : 7:37PM
Answer to #2 - Forbidden planet and The Day the Earth Stood Still are both better Sci Fi movies. Alien works both as horror and sci fi and Terminator had elements of both also.
 
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9/07
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 5:04AM
1. I may have to go with Terminator, because after while the set design and atmosphere of Alien are amazing and influential, the third act of the film falls apart into a boring slasher format.
2. Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind, Blade Runner, Solaris, and on and on. Aliens is not better than Alien, sorry, it loses all the best things of the original and is otherwise just a cheesy 80s action flick.


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8/07
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 5:22AM
^ For the longest time, I suffered under the delusion that Aliens was superior to Alien. Now don't get me wrong. It is still a fantastic film, but it is very 80s actiony. Alien is a more mature, scarier and interesting film and I say this as someone who is not a Ridley Scott fan (except this and Blade Runner - still need to see The Duellists).
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6/07
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 7:13AM
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10/05
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 3:20PM
Alien.
Blade Runner comes to my mind

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9/06
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 5:15PM
i'll go with terminator.
for better, i'd go with the first planet of the apes
 
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1/03
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 7:06PM
I'd go with Terminator for how much I loved the 2nd one when it came out.
I should really give Aliens another look. I'm not sure about Alien - that has Paul Reiser from Mad About You right?

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8/07
Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 8:19PM
^ The other way around. Paul was in Aliens, not Alien.

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9/07
Posted - Apr 1 2008 : 1:07PM
Just thought i'd bring this to everyone's attention, they're doing a Terminator 4.

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Posted - Apr 1 2008 : 1:15PM
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7/05
Posted - Apr 1 2008 : 3:41PM
1.) Alien.
2.) 2001: A Space Odyssey is superior to both Alien and (especially) The Terminator.

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1/15
Posted - Feb 19 2019 : 9:58AM
Alien and Terminator are pretty much even in my mind. Both great concepts actualised well onsceen.

However, AlienS (Directors Cut) basically kicks pretty much every Sci-Fi movie ever made.


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4/19
Posted - Apr 24 2019 : 5:39AM
1. Which do you think is the better sci-fi film?
Alien is perhaps both a more "true" sci-fi film, and also had a bigger budget. It is also tonally and atmospherically very different from it's sequels as well as the majority of studio-produced sci-fi films in the post Star Wars era. However, The Terminator achieved something quite incredible considering it's own budget and the many chances Cameron was taking at the time, especially with the casting of what was for the most part, far from the A-listers of Hollywood at the time.


2. Do you think a better sci-fi film has been made than either of these two, if so what?
TO be honest, as a sci-fi buff myself, I can say there have been better "true" sci-fi films that these, but it all depends on how you judge your sci-fi. Alien was a slow atmospherical horror exercise, and Terminator was a (at the time) quite violent action-oriented story. For the most part, sci-fi has suffered by what moment in time it was made and the currents of the timeframe when they were produced, for example there were moments when sci-fi was "hot" because they were horror-oriented, other times because they were "action" oriented, and in some rare cases, you get some director taking chances with more "adult"-themed and oriented sci-fi productions (again, just talking about the studio-big-budget financed), like Danny Boyle's "Sunshine" or even that remake of "Solaris"; both films obviously designed outside the blockbuster formulae of the times they were released.

Notice how I did not dwell much on the fact that these two films launched franchises, and that is another discussion altogether.

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4/04
Posted - Apr 24 2019 : 5:53AM
Alien
 
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Posted - Apr 25 2019 : 1:47PM
Oh I was so on board until I saw the Directors Cut clarification. ALIENS is my favourite film and that cut is an abomination. Even sadder, it seems to have replaced the theatrical cut on nearly every platform. Heartbreaking.

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8/17
Posted - Apr 25 2019 : 5:02PM
1) I couldn't choose between the two. I still rate both of them very highly even if I don't like the franchises from the third film onwards for both.
2) Aliens, Interstellar, Star Trek II, 2001: A Space Odyssey. I'd put District 9 up with Terminator and Alien.
I'm genuinely curious how you qualify that beyond an opinion since science fiction is a nebulous topic in itself. The Terminator is sci-fi from the standpoint of featuring advanced science and technology, far beyond what's possible today, it looks at the implications and consequences of developing such technology and it features time travel. Alien is sci-fi from the standpoint of featuring advanced science and technology, far beyond what's possible today, it features extra-terrestrial life and space flight. The two films have some overlap in terms of common science fiction themes but differ in others but I don't think that makes Alien a "more true" sci-fi film.
 
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Posted - Apr 26 2019 : 12:42PM
^ Same re: DISTRICT 9. And for me, also, ROBOCOP (1987)--one of my favourite films of all time.

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4/19
Posted - Apr 26 2019 : 6:08PM
to AngryPirate:

You are correct sir, and I see the elephant in the room mistake I made about The Terminator (goes to show you what happens when you try to write a somewhat readable post at 4am before heading off to work).

I believe my foggy brain at the time was mixing up both genres and stereotypical preconceptions of what makes something "more" sci-fi than another (whatever that is supposed to mean!). For example, Carpenter's The Thing is obviously a "horror" film, with some sci-fi elements (i.e. the titular Thing) but is paced a bit more like a western.

The real shame is that for the time I was writing my post, I had completelly forgotten about the time travel element, which is pretty much one of the main elements of the film (maybe my 4am brain was focused on Alien's slow-moving space and set design/production design, and only recalled the "action" and "violence" in Terminator.

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Posted - Apr 27 2019 : 7:05AM
How the hell did I miss that one?!


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12/16
Posted - May 1 2019 : 4:33PM
Alien

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3/06
Posted - May 27 2019 : 11:13PM
Alien is better than Terminator. Terminator 2 is better than Aliens. Alien 3 is underrated. All the other movies in both series are unwatchable.

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7/09
Posted - Jun 15 2019 : 9:30PM
Love the first half of Terminator until they leave the Police Station, kind of falls off a bit from there except for the big pick up at the end but then its age of special effects really shows.

Actually a problem with both movies, when you see the monster at the end its either poor effects or clearly a tall skinny man in a rubber suit.

Overall movie I'd go with Alien.

Alien vs Terminator make a great movie, no doubt already comics or something already..

 
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12329 Posts
1/05
Posted - Jun 16 2019 : 3:59AM
Alien was a masterpiece not just the movie itself but for example the protagonists it uses, not heroes (which does use in Aliens) but mere workers who did not go into danger out of patriotism or righteousness, they go for the extra money they'd be paid for it , some of them are lazy even. Ship's main computers both the mainframe and the android are working against them much like Hal 9000 in 2001, but this time they've been programmed that way.
The only survivor isn't the strongest or the bravest (she is both but in a different way), but the smartest , the more cautious the one who wanted to do things by the book not even allowing the team to get back on board. She does all she does because she had to, survival being her most relevant thought.
It's not just Horror Sci-Fi

Edited by - LCF on 6/16/2019 4:00:30 AM


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8/17
Posted - Jun 17 2019 : 11:22AM
^ I agree about the protagonists in Alien being everyday people who were well out of their depth against the Xenomorph but I think you've done the protagonists of Aliens a disservice by oversimplifying the situation. Yes, many of the protagonists were Marines but their CO was green with most of his experience being in simulators so he panicked when the shit hit the fan. What was left of the squad had limited command experience and battled not only with the Xenomorphs but also with an unscrupulous Weyland-Yutani executive who saw the Marines and Ripley as expendable. Ripley had her own battles to deal with, perhaps most notably in trusting WY droids as her hostility toward Bishop came from her experience with Ash.
 
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1/09
Posted - Jun 17 2019 : 12:18PM
^ You basically said what I wanted to say. I would add that those marines who were so gung ho (especially Vasquez, Drake, Hudson, and to a lesser extent Ferro - "apparently she saw an alien once" "I only need to know one thing: where they are" etc) quickly got their asses handed to them and devolved into panic, despair, and barely keeping a grip on themselves. Meanwhile, others (Hicks, but Vasquez too once she gets control of herself) step up to the plate, even if reluctantly. I find that arc extremely satisfying.
 
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1/05
Posted - Jun 18 2019 : 2:17AM
^^ and ^
Except that I was talking about motivation , I never said the Marines were veterans used to anything , I said the first ones were "workers" or better yet miners the other ones were "soldiers" the first one were there just for their payday the marines knew they were going to face a dangerous situation and were prepared for it , or at least trained for combat
Workers and soldiers aren't driven by the same things for one thing whether soldiers must obey orders and comply or face a court martial the other can't be just ordered , must be convinced , threthened with fines or lose their pay or granted an extra paiment , not exactly the very same motives as the soldiers.

Also I saw two mothers against each others protecting their youngsters , the Xenomorph after all was protecting her eggs while Ripley was acting as Newt's surrogate mother protecting her daughter, which I believe was part of the process of showing her not just a woman but a mother also, and yet being the strongest character in the movie , despite all her issues and doubts




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