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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:25AM
I don't see why not have this thread. There's plenty other threads dealing with some particular aspect or subsection of the genre, but no general discussion of it.
I'll start things by asking what does everyone think of this trailer:

And what is/are your current favorite IR site(s) and how come?
Who's your favorite IR stars, female/male?
Feel free to post any IR trailers or reviews you'd like to share here.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:35AM
Here's another question to ponder: how in the fuck did BlackLoads.com get to be ranked 7,500 in the USA according to Alexa? That's incredibly high, not just for a brand new site, but for ANY site. Not just any porn site. ANY site period.
By comparison Blacked.com, which I believe is easily the highest ranked IR site around (or I thought so until now), is ranked around 11,000. This is quite incredibly good on its own terms. But other new sites when they launch are typically ranked in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. They take months, even years to crack the top 100,000.

There must be something I am missing.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:42AM
^Alexa isn't . That may at least partly explain the ranking.
EDIT: I forgot to add that there are a few other articles (three I think?) on that site which dispute Alexa's reliability.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/13/2016 3:12:26 AM

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:44AM
Who the fuck is Watts? lmao

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:46AM
^^^^The trailer was hot, but it's IR and Piper Perri showed up, so I'm twice biased, lol.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 3/13/2016 1:46:51 AM
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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 1:53AM
Yeah I thought it was pretty exceptional. It somehow managed to look distinct. I liked the POV style foreplay. Definitely better than most POV where the guy can't use both hands to touch her cuz he's holding the camera. I like the freedom of both hands to roam.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:14PM
Since Blacked kicked off the IR renaissance in mid 2014, there have been a several new IR-themed sites emerging, e.g.: TeensLoveBlackCocks, BlackIsBetter, DarkX, BlackLoads, and ArchAngelVideo, which is not exclusively IR but largely caters to it.
Although there is limited reliability with Alexa rankings, as MPUSA brought to my attention, one constant can be noted, and that is that all of those sites' popularity is on the rise. And they are all producing top-selling DVD's per AdultDVDEmpire and Xrent charts.
General consensus seems to be the Blacked is the new king of the genre, but maybe you don't think so. To whoever is reading this, which brand do you prefer? Who is the best of the new wave? Who is the best overall, including Dogfart, MonstersofCock, IndustryInvaders? Am I remiss in overlooking any who you feel deserve mention?
Is there one that puts out the best DVDs? Best bonus content/BTS?

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:34PM
^Blacked is the best site overall imho, but I can't speak to the quality of their dvds.
Among sites not mentioned, WhiteTeensBlackCocks.com has started updating again and BrothaLovers.com continues to release new material. I'm sure there are other active IR sites that weren't mentioned, but somebody else will have to remember what those are, lol.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:45PM
BrothaLovers is still around? Damn. I just checked it out. Indeed they are going strong if their update schedule is an indication. Looks like good talent, but good grief their site looks unchanged from over 10 years ago. They really need to reupholster that joint! lol
It looks like they made it during AOL days, when the internet bubble was still blowing up. Even janky ass Blackbachelor has given their sketchy ass site a new look.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 7:58PM
^The site must have a very loyal membership, since Jennifer apparently doesn't feel the need to grow it. From where I stand it looks like she's dropping the ball by not taking full advantage of the Blacked effect, but I guess she knows what she's doing.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 8:05PM
Who's bskow? New studio?
Anyway I like tlbc and blackisbetter. Any ir content by the vanilla studios really. A shame that ir is viewed as "extreme" so it's mostly gonzo studios. Was also a huge fan of milfs like it black and brazzers ir content.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 8:31PM
^
B. Skow has been directing for a while, he did some Vivid stuff for a while and for the past few years he's done b/g movies for GF Films. He's never really done much, if any, IR content before now, though.
As far as the current players, I'd give Blacked the lead in terms of technical quality, that site and all of the copycats still leave something to be desired for me in terms of talent selection. Because many of my favorite performers were already shooting IR before the site came around, many of them haven't been shot by Blacked and others because of their focus on newer performers. Babes has probably been best for me terms of the actual female talent they've chosen.
Also, your point reminds me about something I wanted to ask. Because I personally am more interested in "post-IR" content (i.e. content that doesn't mention race at all), and I have a preference for vignette and feature porn over gonzo, my favorite IR scenes have generally been for sites/companies that don't shoot very much IR at all. My question to everyone else is do you guys routinely check out that stuff, or do you only notice it when it you come across it randomly and look for the source? I feel like the reason some of those companies don't make more is because some people are so focused on the sites/companies that only shoot IR that they don't take notice of when other people shoot it, which means it doesn't get the reception it would if it were on an only-IR site.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 8:45PM
^Usually I only find out about such content when a performer I follow tweets about the scene. Like you, I think it's likely that those scenes are often overlooked because they are not on a dedicated site. That's probably at least part of the reason that we have Black is Better and Dark X. I'd also imagine that many of the people who are primarily fans of IR aren't going to sign up for a site that only occasionally shoots IR, when there are multiples sites that only shoot IR.

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Posted - Mar 13 2016 : 8:59PM
^my guess is ir is similar to anal in that ir fans don't bother with the vanilla sites unless they have an ir only site or frequently do ir porn(i.e. babes, team skeet, bangbros). I do agree there could be a bigger market for vignette and feature style ir but I think the logic is the large portion of their fan base wants only (white) vanilla porn.

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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 7:00PM
Kenzie Taylor just signed a 1 year exclusive with Arch Angel for IR.
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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 7:26PM
I wasn't familiar with Bskow by name, but I like his style based on that Contrast trailer.

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Posted - Mar 14 2016 : 8:52PM
While the contrast trailer itself is very well done, I'm not quite fond of too much POV or extreme close-ups. They are fine in moderation, but I generally prefer more wide angle shots showcasing the performers' entire bodies. I'm also not a fan of stockings, fishnets, pantyhose, etc or even heels for that matter throughout the entire scene, so there's maybe only a couple scenes max or possibly even one that looks interesting to me. I really like BLACKED in this regard because Lanksy usually has them remove their clothing/lingerie at some point during the course of the scene. Mason also seems to be good about this (at least in the scenes I've seen) and has the attire on during the tease segment, then removed when the scene actually begins. I do applaud them for their choice of talent in this, though, both male and female. That might be the most enticing element of the feature for me thus far.
 
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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 4:45PM
I've ordered that one didn't even see the trailers , the cast was enough already
I rotate memberships , I'm a long term member of dogfart mainly because they hire black girls , plus they have some of my favorites and their old stuff wasn't so focused on race play

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Posted - Mar 15 2016 : 6:04PM
Does anyone know the score with CumLouder? Are they hosting full-length scenes for free now?

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Posted - Mar 17 2016 : 7:12AM
Lately I've been watching a lot of gloryholeswallow scenes, it has a lot of first black cock and IR fucking. I'm sure a lot of it is scripted but some scenes seem more genuine than others.
If you like this sort of porn be sure to check out the scenes with "Joanie" aka Nicole Aimes, her 2nd scene is really amazing.

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Posted - Mar 17 2016 : 11:48PM

This is why I still like Industryinvaders. They are more willing to do crazy ideas and they cater to the big booty fans.
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Posted - Mar 21 2016 : 6:43AM
Im working my way through Gloryholeswallow as well - all the chiks have been white or hispanic so far but theres plenty of black dicks. The cameraman sometimes asks the girls if theyre surprised to see a black dick and none have been phased at all , presumably anyone who did have a aversion to IR would make this clear beforehand.
Bridget in her scene says after she fucks a black dick thats its the first black guy shes ever fucked. bridget.jpg
She also squirts like crazy.
Ive not seen Joanie yet - i like Marcella and also little ballet dancer Claire shes cute.
Recommended site.

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Posted - Mar 21 2016 : 7:15AM
^
Really loved the scenes with Bridget, be sure to watch the Joanie scenes, I'm sure you are going to enjoy them :)

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Posted - Mar 24 2016 : 12:28AM
Damn, another one bites the dust. What happened to Ben? I hope it wasn't related to that lawsuit ADT is contending with, which I hope everyone here shows support to stand with ADT.

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Posted - Apr 4 2016 : 9:49AM
I grabbed this from the BIG Booty Lovers Only thread.
IMO anyone who inflicts harm on any girl for doing IR in porn is doing so at his own peril, and would likely get his ass beat in retaliation by people who really care about her. It's the same as threats based on anything.
I wonder if there is precedent for this. Some people speculated that WarMachine, Christy Mack's bf, was hostile toward the idea of her doing IR. He may not have been the ultimate deciding factor on whether she would have opted to do IR or not, but I think it would be naive to say he had no influence at all on what she did. He was obviously the controlling type.
He even used racist language on twitter toward her fans who merely suggested they would like to see her do IR. But regardless of politics, WarMachine is a savage animal and deserves to be in prison.
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Posted - Apr 4 2016 : 11:03AM
I think the best IR is being made by 21Sextury,LegalPorno(when they get their act together) and the likes of Brazzers/Naughty America(when they decide to release an IR scene).I find the IR only sites to be too formulaic and Blacked is most guilty of this,to the point where I no longer even check their updates.DarkX has the same problem,all scenes are like different colors of a Tshirt.Teensloveblackcocks has good production values but the updates aren't frequent enough,plus their casting choices are bad,IMHO.Enough has been said elsewhere on this smartbuydisc.ru about Bangbros and Archangel is doing good though,and can't wait for Kenzie Taylor to go black!!Sadly there fewer and fewer IR releases by Jules Jordan,who has shot many classic IR flicks.
Fianlly,a separate paragraph for Dogfart.I have a membership,and I always feel they do not have a lengthy enough back catalog despite a solid 12+ years in the business.Trust me,you'll go through this 12+ years worth of updates in a month.Earlier their scenes were too formulaic as well(I am speaking about THAT couch),but now after Blacked's entry they seemed to have been forced to up their production values and if you ask me,they are releasing the best IR only site out there.The most recent BlackOnBlondes update,a scene with Lexi Lowe recently is just fire and one of the best IR scenes I have seen in a while.Plus of course they have black girls!They can still do a bit better I feel,regarding lighting and the casting sometimes.
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Posted - Apr 4 2016 : 12:48PM
^ I agree that BlacksonBlondes has improved dramatically in the last 6 months. It wasn't just Blacked though, because Blacked launched in mid 2014. Dogfart still didn't change much for a whole year. They only took baby steps toward improving production value once in a while. But last year saw TeensLoveBlackCocks arrive, although like you said, TLBC didn't seem to intend on updating more than 2-3 times a month. Not enough to really threaten Dogfart. But then DarkX came along this past November, and that really struck the spurs into them.
So then Dogfart wasn't just concerned about being overtaken and being put in 2nd place, but they could be looking at 3rd place or worse if they didn't change things.
In just 1 year Blacked outstripped the #1 IR site, BlacksonBlondes, in not only site ranking, but DVD sales and in social media popularity. But it's a win for fans regardless, because all the competition means higher standards. BoB was long overdue to be challenged and in need of an overhaul. They can still rely on variety since they have several sub-genre sites too. So I don't think they're going anywhere any time soon.
I might agree with you that Blacked could benefit from some additional variety or subgenres. Maybe a POV site or something, if Lansky would branch out or franchise the brand to a younger director. Get some 2nd unit action.
I'm really pushing for DarkX though. I love Mason's work.

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Posted - Apr 4 2016 : 11:56PM
^^^The things is that lots of hate (obviously unjustified) comes at some pornstars for not doing IR as well. A number of pornstars have spoken about it, and of course on this smartbuydisc.ru a user wished Bonnie Rotten and her baby dead over the issue. Undoubtedly there are crazy, hateful people who will threaten a pornstar if she shoots IR, but there are also crazy, hateful people who will threaten her if she does not. I'd suggest that both groups are tiny minorities and are best dismissed.

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Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 4:36AM
^ Yeah, I agree it has to be a very small percentage. I'm not even sure if it would register as 1% for most pornstars followers. It's probably a little higher for Alexis Texas's fanbase, but even then I reckon only about 5% at most. That leaves 95% of her fans who will support her and defend her against her haters. You're not going to win going up against 600k real fans who genuinely value her for her, not for the color of who she fucks.
Keep in mind those are just my estimates based on the percentage of those who would verbally express hate/threats. But what I was getting at when I asked about precedence was, do we have any precedence for deranged fanatics actually physically carrying out violence that their threats suggest? Maybe in the world of pop stars with millions of fans, sure. There's stalkers and stage crashers, etc. But in porn, has any female been attacked for doing IR? I think the threats become even less credible. It's just entitled whiners spoiled by porn of all things. That's gotta be the most pathetic thing ever. Someone moved to carry out aggression against a pornstar. Do they think these pornstars love them personally or what? "Oh no she fucked a black pornstar - I feel betrayed" SMH. I would be very interested to read the types of hate mail they get. But they should definitely report threats to authorities. While I say it's all but certain 99.9999% of these threats are not credible, I still can't blame anyone for taking death threats seriously and calling for law enforcement to pursue the source to the fullest extent of their reach.

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Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 10:39AM
^I agree that pornstars should report threats, especially so that the pathetic people who are threatening them could finally learn.

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Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 11:08AM
^^^ The more competition the better, it prevents complacency. Take my video games for example, when EA Sports put a monopoly on sports games and wiped out the competition, the quality of their product significantly declined within two years after that deal. Ironically, they couldnt do so with all the sports like basketball and it is no coincidence that they actually had to put their basketball games on hiatus for about three years to catch up with the competition.
I like the production values of Blacked, hopefully their new office in Europe presents a better variety of female talent. They have too many typecast styles when it comes to the females they choose which is why I tend to look at other sites instead. Seemingly everything at the Kendra Lust scene and before is all I look at on that site. I like DarkX because they aren't solely focused on exclusives or fresh faces but they are following similar trends with the majority of the girls they book. And they've probably shot maybe 3-5 scenes out of 50 that were not 1-on-1 whereas HardX has everything I want in terms of females casting, just give a brother some of those breathtaking scenes. I like the new DF setup because they are shooting more threesome and group scenes and are mixing vets and rookies together. Hell, even Brazzers is stepping their production frequency up along with Babes and Naughty America. The only site that has fallen off since is Bangbros, they cant get big names, are not consistent, only shoot 1 on 1 vag scenes, and just become more vanilla by the day with casting and scene variety.
The only thing I'd like to see more of is more scenes with different ethnicities mixed together, white females paired up with black, latin, or asian females.

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Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 10:57PM
With Blacked opening up an office in Europe I dont think you will be seeing too much variety, in fact I would venture to say that they will have greater access to the type of women that they like to shoot in the states. Just look at the girl shooting on sites like wowgirls or 21naturals they would be the type that Blacked would be shooting and they are similar to their current roster. I would say the variety maybe that in Europe there will more girls that are not quite teens and not milfs I dont know what to call girls in that in between stage.
The issue of threats though it does not seem to matter as these performers get threats for being in porn period no matter what they do. Those that do the threatening must have some very empty lives and have nothing better to do with their time.


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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 3:07PM
Now that I see that Greg Lansky has decided that Riley Nixon is more beautiful with a wig on, I'm hoping more than ever that a considerably less gutless director of erotic porn will arrive on the IR scene.
 
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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 7:57PM
^ Gonna have to be patient and not hold you breath on that one.

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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 10:46PM
I was hoping that person would be Mason, but so far she's basically only shooting arguably better (and inarguably more hardcore) scenes with the same performers that Blacked is using, with a couple of exceptions.
 
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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 10:52PM
^ Agreed! Mason also shoots nothing but gonzo movies. And yes she's using the same performers over and over again just like BLACKED. Hard to imagine these directors think you can't be "blacked" or "DarX" being anything either than white.

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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 11:24PM
^^I had high hopes for Dark X as well...
 
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Posted - Apr 7 2016 : 11:28PM
I'll start paying more attention to them if Riley Nixon does another scene with her and some fake blonde wig.

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Posted - Apr 8 2016 : 8:40AM
Do you think Mason would hire Riley and let her be presented how she wants? I hope so. Every misstep by Greg seems like a clear opportunity for Mason to take advantage, IMO.
However, I think she has opted to hide tattoos before as well.
I am hoping we can lobby Mason to loosen up some, but because Blacked has been so successful, people must be assuming it's because of every little detail, even if a particular detail may not even benefit them.
The main problem I have is that it becomes formulaic. Why should the least bit of variety be so shunned?
BTW Katrina Jade tweeted recently that she was lasering off some of her tattoos. I have little doubt that this is due to the industry pressure. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if it came down to Lansky saying the deal breaker has been her tattoos, because I honestly cannot fathom any other reason he could have for not having shot with her yet.
Personally, I would have shot with her already multiple times. But I'm not in charge, so it's easy for me to armchair quarterback it without the responsibility.

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Posted - Apr 8 2016 : 8:42AM
Wait what? You prefer the wig? I want to see Riley with her short hair on DarkX. That's my vote.

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Posted - Apr 8 2016 : 10:40AM
^^Katrina has also said that she's keeping her sleeve, which, I believe, would probably exclude her from Blacked. Lansky could hide it but there's no precedent for him hiding that much ink. Personally, I hate that Katrina's getting rid of her other tattoos but it's her body and her money. That said, if she's not getting an adequate amount of work, then I'm left to wonder how exactly Christy Mack did. In my opinion Katrina is the better performer, but perhaps consumers generally disagree with that assessment? Maybe the increasing popularity of tattoos in mainstream society has led to a backlash against tattoos in porn?
I would have thought that shooting IR would get Katrina more work overall, but perhaps it hasn't? Most studios that shoot IR do not have an issue with tattoos, regardless of the Blacked effect. In my view, if Katrina is lasering her tattoos in order to get more work she's taking a real gamble. There are a number of excellent performers who don't have as much ink as her or any ink at all and aren't regularly booked. Why, for example, isn't Jodi Taylor a big star?
I'd like to think that Mason would shoot Riley sans wig, but I've already overestimated her willingness to take risks. Dark X is only slightly more diverse than Blacked and is ink-phobic. Mason's playing it safe.
What would really be great is for a black Ryan Madison to enter the industry. I don't care for Ryan as a performer, but he shoots everyone and his scenes are generally aesthetically pleasing.
 
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Posted - Apr 8 2016 : 11:36AM
No, as usual my typing skills eluded my point. Not interested in the wig in the least.

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Posted - Apr 9 2016 : 10:37AM
What Dat_1_Dude says here about Brazzers is true. Just this past week Rico Strong matched up with Monique Alexander one of Brazzers biggest featured performers indicating a shift from using less established girls in interracial. I think Brazzers sees the success and quality productions coming from Blacked, HardX and Jules Jordan and realizes there is a growing multi-racial market and interest in this product . . . BRING IT ON BRAZZERS.

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Posted - Apr 9 2016 : 12:40PM
I think they used to kowtow to a very vocal minority of their members who was hostile toward IR. People have commented that the Brazzers community smartbuydisc.ru was riddled with intolerance for IR. My thing is everyone is entitled to their own preferences, and there's no accounting for taste. People can like what they like or dislike what they dislike. But antagonizing others and soaking your community in vitriol and downright hate speech was a really poor precedent they set, and I don't even think it was indicative of the prevailing views of their members at all. Just the very loud belligerent minority, and the saying goes "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." So the anti-IR people won out, even though they may only have been 1 in 100 members, and they held sway over the community. It does aggravate me when sub-groups form as a result of intolerance over very trivial issues, because most people simply would never bother to even debate the principle. Most people are civil and rational about it, so they just yield the territory to the whiners. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" is another way to say "let the baby have its bottle." But I think the prevailing view these days is people have had enough kowtowing to whiners. They're sick of the whining babies and have decided to just tune them out and ignore them.
Brazzers stands to gain far more by catering to IR in proportion with other studios than they would lose. For every member who claims to "cancel" because Brazzers decides to go from offering 2% IR in their library to something as marginal still as 10%, they will gain 5 more new members. I seriously doubt there is any significant number of Brazzers members who are going to cancel because of a very marginal increase in IR.
Last I checked, Brazzers produced 2 scenes per day, or about 60 scenes per month. And a couple years go, out of those 60 per month, perhaps 2 would be IR - if that much. So even if they tripled that rate of IR, it would still just be 10% of their new content. Who the hell is going to cancel because only 90% of Brazzers content caters to their very strict need for racial uniformity? It's absurd. But meanwhile, if Brazzers did decide to produce 6 IR scenes per month, then that would put them at a rate which could compete with Blacked (though quality is a separate debate). And that still allows them to allocate/cater 90% of their content to non-IR stuff. This really is a no-brainer for Brazzers.
I would laugh my ass off if someone had the gall to threaten to cancel their membership to Brazzers because they decide to shift from 97% vanilla to 90%.
But the question is, after this long in the game, can Brazzers successfully woo the IR audience? They have tried before, but for whatever reasons it didn't pan out. And now there's been a resurgence in competition.

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Posted - Apr 9 2016 : 1:08PM
^If Brazzers opens (or reopens) a dedicated IR site, I do think that the network may be able to attracted more IR fans. Shooting a few big first IRs would also attract attention.

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 10:19AM
I seriously doubt BRAZZERS discontinued their IR line or makes so few IR scenes now due to people whining/complaining. On a site like BRAZZERS they have the ability to see exactly what works and doesn't. If a girl gets a lot of views they'll keep using her. If certain sex acts are better received they'll know. If there IR scenes are/were popular they'd know. I don't think they'd pay that much attention to the anti-IR crowd if the scenes were doing well. Would you? For whatever reason BRAZZERS IR content didn't/doesn't click with their audience. It clearly wasn't working for them in order for them to just shut down their IR sites and not ever use that material that they already shot and invested in. Could a BRAZZERS IR site be profitable for them today? I don't know. BRAZZERS occasionally will release an all IR DVD. The rate at which they do those and amount of new IR they do would indicate that the IR stuff does okay but not worth making a lot of them. But then again if they got the right behind the scenes talent and created a separate site just for IR it may be a hit. It depends on how they qualify a hit. Perhaps their IR stuff sells strong but not compared to the white on white line of porn so they don't see it as worth their time to pursue.

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 12:08PM
this is a great week for IR lined up right now
today is Riley Nixon's first IR for BLACKED (controversy aside, i am still excited), Wednesday is Janice Griffith's first IR for Jules Jordan, and Friday is Ella Nova for Teens Love Black Cocks. any others i am missing ?

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 1:45PM
If there was a sub-group of members who would constantly downvote IR scenes without even watching them, and post tons of negative comments, I don't think it's implausible that Brazzers may have reacted to that. I do respect everyone being entitled to their opinions though. I'm not saying sub-groups aren't allowed to form. I just think it can become very effective at misrepresenting, which is to say over-representing, dissent. 90% of a population who are neutral will lose to 10% who are hostile. Look at the other end of the spectrum and see how hysteria has resulted from mobilized anarchists running amok on college campuses. Even though it may only be a disruptive group that is not even representative of 1% of the whole student body, it looks bad and heads roll because of it. A given college may have 30,000 students. If just 300 of them rallied, heads would roll. That's only 1%. Hell, even 30 rabblerousers can cause big issues. That's just 1/10th of 1%.
So imagine what 10% making a bunch of noise would do. Then there's the pile-on factor. Brazzers is basically an institution with a membership comparable to a small college. Now I don't put much credence into top-down conspiracy theories. I don't believe major companies in porn care about any color besides green. But I would not underestimate the viral nature of mobs, especially anonymous mobs who feel emboldened to circulate hate speech. There's various ways to deal with it. I don't believe in censorship. Like I said before, I respect their right to voice their views and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
If Brazzers actually put up a poll for all their members to ask if they should continue producing IR scenes or stop, and stop won, then so be it. That would be if the majority of ALL their members felt that way. But I somehow highly doubt that would be the result. I think the only way a poll would show the majority are against it would be if it was only answered by people who felt strongly about it, which may parse things down to just 10% of the whole membership, whereas 90% would be indifferent and probably wouldn't even vote. So in such a situation, it would appear that there's a strong opposition to IR. Again, that's how a very marginal group gets over-represented.
But I'm not mad about Brazzers. I'm sure they've only done what they thought was in their best interest. I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if they just felt it easier to hush the whiners up. And statistically it would even make sense, if they parsed the issue down to just those who felt strongly about it one way or the other. Those strongly opposed to IR could very well have outweighed those strongly in favor. It's like how we get discrepant results in polling data for the presidential race. Some polls show a candidate with a wide lead over the others in his party. But then another poll shows they also have the highest level of disfavor, even within his own constituency or party's voter base.
Anyway I do remember seeing a IR DVD produced by Brazzers which charted pretty well. I remember it was either their first or just their second IR DVD. I believe Jayden Jaymes was on the cover. It was on the charts for a while.
Honestly though, as preposterous as it may sound, I wonder if they would have more success creating a stand-alone IR site that was not even a part of their main network. Of course that makes little sense from a consumer's perspective, because why would you subscribe for a site that updates four times a month, rather than for a site that updates 60 times a month? Surely if Brazzers would start up an all-IR site it should be a part of their main network right? If it was under the Brazzers banner, wouldn't people expect an inclusive membership? But look at all the stand-alone IR sites that have been succeeding. As crazy as that sounds, I somehow think they could make it work. All they have to do is ditch the Brazzers banner, and just produce it like an independent site.
Blacked launched only doing 1 update per week. TeensLoveBC was only once every other week, now about 3 times a month. They're doing well. DarkX is doing great too and they're not 6 months in yet. Despite relatively limited libraries at their launches, and slower update rates, they've all apparently succeeded. I think IR is strong enough to stand on its own. So why wouldn't it do even better being incorporated into a general variety network like Brazzers? I have no idea. Maybe people just like contributing to dedicated brands.
And what about that Blackisbetter.com site? Is that included if you sign up for Babes? I know Babes is the parent company, so I'd assume it's inclusive. But TeensLoveBC was supposed to be an offshoot of TeamSkeet right? But it's actually a stand-alone site.
For whatever reason, the parent companies feel these sites perform better on their own.

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 6:34PM
^ Sales will always trump messageboard opinions/comments. I'm sure studio people read comments but are smart enough to only pay attention to comments that are constructive or offer good ideas and ignore the people "whining" and complaining for the sake of complaining. And I'm sure just like most boards it's the same handful of people constantly being negative. We see that porn studios very clearly jumps on any bandwagon that becomes popular and makes money. So just like so many things in porn people claim to hate but do well like Parodies, vanilla porn, boobjobs, etc...it's the money that drives the industry, not messageboard chatter. Some people on messageboards think they have more power than they actually do.
I don't think BRAZZERS would have to make a completely different site for IR but it would make sense if they did a line devoted to it like they do with their other lines under their umbrella. If some of their fans don't want to watch IR they can simply ignore it...but that won't stop some people from complaining though. I'm still curious as to why their IR sites didn't work though. I don't think I've ever seen scenes from it but I remember seeing screenshots and the line-up of talent from back then and it looked pretty strong. Things have changed since then. Maybe it would work better today. The industry and the fans have changed. While I'm fairly sure an IR line would work at BRAZZERS it becomes a matter of how well it did in comparison to the other lines. If it did 65% or so of what the other lines do they might decide it isn't worth their time and that time and money could go toward shooting scenes that are more popular and get more hits.

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Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 8:54PM
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I would argue that IR not doing well at a site like Brazzers is actually more because of a self-fulfilling prophecy than anything else. In other words, Brazzers, in general, didn't/doesn't shoot that much IR content. So for people that don't like IR scenes, that becomes a site they want to join because they don't shoot it. So when they do shoot it, the people that joined because they didn't have it get upset and vote it down. So it has worse ratings and traffic numbers, which makes Brazzers less likely to shoot it again. But what that doesn't end up accounting for is the people that were never interested in Brazzers in the first place because they didn't have IR that might be interested now that they do. And the basic question becomes are you willing to risk the minority of fans who joined your site because they don't want to see IR content in an effort to appeal to people that might want to join your site because you do? And the reason many sites will will end up deciding the risk may not be worth it is because they can probably quantify the amount of fans that fall in the first category, but they can't quantify the amount of fans that fit in the second.
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