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^ You know, I don't think this one is about skin color so much as it is about Welsh being a really small town. The police probably know Myers, and he knows the officers who confronted him. I'm sure that made a big difference in how they perceived the threat level.

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That could be. I was living in a small town a few years back when a city councilor came out of a city council meeting to find his car stolen. He had left the keys in the car, for whatever reason that people still do that. (A woman in a very nearby also-tiny town had written a letter to the editor of her local paper complaining about someone stealing a purse off the front seat of an unlocked car parked outside the post office, "What is the world coming to when you can't leave your purse on the seat of your car...?").
The police followed some kind of info, went to some teenager's house and asked for the car back. That's all. Probably a 'stern warning' was issued. A day or two later, another unlocked car with keys in it was taken. The police drove right to the kid's house this time, and asked for the car back. Naughty naughty. The kid did it one more time, and then maybe he grew tired of it. The police put a blurb in the paper asking people to think twice before leaving their cars around town unlocked with the keys in them. Like maybe it's not the best idea.
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This is true; obviously not all of these cases I've talked about here are necessarily because the person is White.
However, they do stand as a model. While I would never get into saying a police officer should ever hesitate to shoot at someone aiming a weapon at them, these examples do show that it is possible to take down an armed assailant, especially if they're in a fixed location. Again, these last two that I posted about share similarities to the case of Korryn Gaines in Baltimore, who had an entire SWAT Team called in on her for failure to appear in court on a traffic violation.

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I agree with a lot of what has been posted here but when it comes to celebrities I wonder why Mike Tyson and Tupac Shakur's rape convictions are now widely ignored.
In fact Shakur's record sales seem to have improved after he got out of jail. Al Sharpton was intially goimg to organize a parade in NYC for Tyson when he was getting out of jail for rape.
Sharpton even having a public profile or political career after the another good example (btw are we to believe that Tawana picked the dead cop and DA's names herself for her false accusations?).
Are there any examples of white athletes being jailed for rape but later getting an HBO special shot by the likes of Spike Lee where they're permitted to insult and denigrate the woman they raped? Or get a cartoon series on Netflix?
Any white musicians convicted of sexual assault whose career not only continued but actually had their record sales increase due to being jailed for the assault?
Any white celebrities caught having sex and pissing on 14 year old girls they're related to who then continued to sell records and get radio play?
Overall being black is obviously a dangerous thing in the US but occassionly it seems to be used by powerful male celebrities to avoid being held accountable. OJ being the paragon. For some reason in his case though even the black community ended up rejecting him after the trial.
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As far as Mike Tyson goes, there was a large suspicion that he got a raw deal. The victim and her mother, seemed opportunistic. And Tyson's defense wasn't even a criminal defense lawyer -- he was a tax attorney.
In any case, both Tyson and Shakur served their time.
 
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BS, you are right, celebrities often seem to escape jail time and/or professional ruin:
  • Speaking of 14-year-old girls: Both and Jimmy Page had affairs with
  • First one was settled out of court, in the second, police refused to file charges.
  • Mark Wahlberg, actor and rapper of "Marky Mark"-fame
  • Even though this happened at the height of his movie fame, this incident is not well known.

  • I don't think I need to go into detail about Roman Polanski.
    So yes, there are often cases where fame and/or sports ability can act as a shield against criminal charges regardless of race.
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    Watch Barbara Kopple's great TYSON documentary or read the bio of Teddy Atlas, who trained Tyson from a young age. There was no raw deal.
    Tyson was well known to be a serial abuser of young girls, when Atlas confronted Cus D'amato about it he was fired. But not before Tyson assaulted a relative of Atlas and he famously put a gun to Tyson's head and threatened to blow his head off if he ever touched her again. The accusations against his rape victim are typical smear tactics, she did exactly what so many doubters of rape victims demand and went directly to the police but still gets dismissed, as so many black women do when they are sexually assaulted.
    Thanks for the examples, it is sad what celebrity and wealth allows...
     
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    And now, the governor of Maine
    "Speaking on Wednesday, he denied it was racist, but said that since January he had been putting together a binder cataloguing drug arrests in the state, and that "90-plus per cent of those pictures in my book, and it's a three-ringed binder, are black and Hispanic people"."
    So, the question is whether your three-ringed binder is representative of who is using and selling drugs, or is it just representative of who your police target for these types of activities? Given the reported uptick in hard drug use by white teenagers in the Northeast, I'm guessing the latter.
     
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    LaPage seems to spend more of his time claiming that he isn't racist than doing anything else.
    And if he honestly wants anyone to believe him he needs to come up with a better lie. Maine's population is 1% black and 1% Hispanic. So if 2% of Maine's population is responsible for 90+% of the drug problems Maine would be doing better than any other state in the union and remarkably better than New Hampshire next door. Somehow I don't buy any of it.
     
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    Poor whites, blacks and hispanics are most likely to commit crimes and be jailed. What is the common denominator? At the same time a lot on the left seem to forget that the vast majority of poor (aka working class) people don't commit crime so it is more than mere poverty that leads to crime.
     
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    Donald Trump rode the Big Lie to the Republican nomination, so I expect we'll hear a lot more of them.

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    BlackSix is right,I helped a young African American with a 2nd marijuana conviction get a conditional discharge.It was all about hiring the right lawyer $$$ that had connections at the court where his case was assigned.It never went to trial,but it was not cheap.If you ever get in trouble,sell everything you have to afford the legal help.
     
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    A youth apparently murdered his father and then went to school and shot two students and a teacher. (tragic shades of Newton. The father is dead, but the others are expected to survive)
    The kid, 14, was tackled by a firefighter and taken into custody otherwise unharmed.

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    I'm not sure where the double standard is there. Are firemen armed in South Carolina?
     
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    ^ I think the incident involving Henry Louis Gates, Jr. is telling. From the Washington Post article:
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    Both Gates and Crowley stood their ground in interviews conducted for the report, refusing to admit error. Crowley believed that Gates was being belligerent and unruly. Gates believed that he was being treated unfairly.
    Obama, who initially called the arrest "stupid," ended the furious public debate over his comments by inviting Gates and Crowley to the White House for a beer. Obama said at the time that he believed the incident was a "teachable moment."
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    "There was a certain degree of skepticism," he said. "People on the committee had preconceived ideas about what they thought happened. What really began to happen was we kind of put that aside, and we had to get at the facts."
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    Ties into what I said earlier. There are ways to take down an armed individual without shooting them. (In certain circumstances).
     
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    Note: a friend and I were watching that hectic first night of protests in Charlotte. At one point it's mentioned that, the police are shooting rubber bullets into the crowd.
    My friend asked "why don't they just use motherfuckin rubber bullets when making arrests period??"
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    In this case(according to what I have seen reported) the cops were in a damned if they do damned if they don't situation. You have a man acting "erratically" who has his hands in his pocket and repeatedly disobeys police orders to slowly pull hands out of pocket. You don't know if he has a gun or not. If he has a gun and you wait too long to open fire innocent people may die. If he doesn't have a gun and you shoot, well we know what is going to happen when it gets reported by the media. Add on that from what I have heard from the media when he finally pulled his hands out of his pocket he reacted as if he had a gun by going into a shooting stance. Put people in this situation often enough and I don't care how good of training they have had they are not going to guess right every time. If police had the ability to read minds they would not be working in the police force to begin with. They would be spending the majority of their time in the high stakes poker room at the Bellagio.
     
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    They aren't guaranteed to take the target down. My understanding it that they are to shoot if they feel their life or someone else's life is in danger. If that is the case they can't be using half measures.

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    And I understand that. That is the problem when dealing with the mentally ill.
    I'm just saying, there's lots of evidence of suspects, with fully loaded weapons, being taken alive, and in some cases, unharmed. I know every situations different, and I know ever police department is different and every individual police officer is different.
    It just seems funny how some people get the "Marlon Perkins" treatment and others get the "Ted Nugent" treatment.
     
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    ^ This is why it is insane to ask the police to cope with the mentally ill - all their training is completely wrong. What's worse is that everybody knows it, which is why dumping the mentally ill onto the street wasn't just insane, it was criminal. Unfortunately, there's no going back now that the states have washed their hands of that responsibility. Well, mostly - Kansas still has a hospital/home for juveniles.
     
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    DISCLAIMER: There's lots of example of suspects, with fully loaded weapons, being taken alive, and in some cases, unharmed. I know every situations different, and I know every police department's training is different and every individual police officer is different.

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    Mr. Greene has now had -- at least -- two encounters with police where they might have had reasonable expectations of him to be in possession of a loaded weapon and to be fearful of their safety -- and both times he was taken in unharmed.

     
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    Going back to the first subject of this thread--
    I do believe the Orange One has just found his press secretary.
     
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    Before the rape was known about, there was an SNL skit portraying Tyson in an interview, and it was remarkably prophetic. It showed the character talking about women in an unbelievable way. (It might be on YouTube somewhere.) But yeah, most people did think he was innocent. This was evidenced by Tyson being called every name under the sun for biting off a part of an opponent's ear, when the fact that he was a convicted rapist was ignored.
    On thread topic, I have to admit , whenever there's a major sexual assault, I always hope it isn't from a dark skinned man. Not for any political agenda, but because I know certain people will be saying: "See, that's what all blacks are like".
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    [link inactive:404 - Page not found]FFS we have to take away guns from cops until we can teach them to stop shooting black people because they are black.
     
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    They see that as a "slap in the face" to America.

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    ^
    Well, if you're white, you can aspire to be the next Carrot Top.
    Well, a couple questions here.
    How are we to feel about a self-professed billionaire who feels oppressed, constantly talks about how unfair the press is to him, how unfair a department store is to his daughter, and even feels oppressed by Rosie O'Donnell?
    Or, actually, what about millionaire fox news hosts with their litany of complaints about how unfair things are? A constant drumbeat of complaints, really.
    Or Newt. Why isn't he among the "arrogant [young] millionaires who shouldn't inflict their politics" and shouldn't feel oppressed? Well, not young. "Arrogant old millionaires who shouldn't inflict their politics" then.

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    If you are black and get shot by cops you deserve it because you are a criminal; if you are an athlete who protests against injustice, you'll get attacked because you're so wealthy and yet so damned ungrateful. This is the thing about racists; if they can't get you one way, they'll get you another.

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    Somehow it's okay for a white guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth, who says he has ten billion dollars, and who gets to be president of the United States, to complain daily about how unfair life (...the media, the FBI, etc.) are to him.
     
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    A woman who, apparently, was also on the tour, said they "made her nervous". She described them as Hispanic but they were actually Mohawks.
    Because Hispanic gang members are notorious for hanging out on college campuses.
     
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    So now we've got Black While Napping. Wonderful.

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    The first ad after the article is for an Acanthus Whitewash Coffee Cup, by Neiman Marcus. : )
    I can't tell whether that was racism or not. There's always someone with Parking Lot Attendant Syndrome who wants to order people around and be a tattle-tale and self-appointed enforcer of rules. Maybe it IS forbidden to sleep in that room. It's trivial, but it may be a rule.
    This is a question that I've had for a long time (never to be resolved) -- how can you tell for sure whether encounters which are free of overt racial hostility are not just ordinary hostility?
    I've witnessed or been involved in similar police encounters -- one example was when I reported a trespasser and asked the police to clarify the law for her. I'm sure it's a big hassle for them, and a time waster. The woman who was trespassing had told me she would only come onto my property if she had a good reason, and I told her that it wasn't her who could decide whether the reason was good or not. It was me. She kept telling me she'd trespass if she had a good reason (she was looking for her cat*), so I asked the police to talk to her.
    Anyway, the police get put in the middle of these minor scuffles which I'm sure they'd rather avoid. And they are always officious.
    The police in the link seem reasonable. They have to check out reports of people who seem suspicious for whatever reason. Dorms were a sensitive area even when I was in college, with a lot of security policies especially for women's dorms. That was before all the school shootings. We all know what happens if police dismiss someone as unimportant, who later commits a crime. They have to deal with people who are bipolar or have schzophrenia, they have to deal with forms and policy and bureaucratic process. Someone sleeping in a common area might be an indication that they don't have a room in the building. If I saw someone napping on the couch in the lobby of a hotel, I'd suspect they didn't have a room.
    Anyway. I've been followed in upscale stores, sneered at or whatever by snotty dismissive clerks, slightly hassled at border crossings, and I've wondered whether, if I was black, I'd assume it was racism. I'm sure I would have. Police have treated me less respectfully than they were treating the woman involved in this incident.
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    Off topic details of above-mentioned cat-seeking trespasser:
    * This was a stupid incident. I saw a flyer for a missing grey cat in my neighborhood and called to let them know I'd seen a grey cat a block from my house, crossing the street. The guy who answered the phone asked whether it was male or female. It was a grey cat, walking across the street. How would I know whether it was male? Then it got freaky. He said he needed to know because they had fourteen cats wandering the neighborhood, and four of them were grey. Jeezus. We discussed a few things, and I told him I'd call if I saw his cat, and asked him NOT to come onto my property. He assured me they would not.
    A couple of weeks later a car barreled down our driveway, and it was his wife, who was certain that I had called them and said the cat was on my property. Someone else must have called them, and they mistakenly thought it was me. Anyway, cars barreling onto my property unexpectedly is not something I'm willing to deal with. My dog plays out there, and is not street smart. Our property is gated and marked No Trespassing, and we should also be able to sunbathe nude on our deck without looking up and seeing someone standing there. I should have been able to make my point without cops, but the bitch kept saying she'd only come over if she thought there was a good reason. Anyway, dumb incident, and the cop was officious, following protocol, respectful, and probably resentful.

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    She just seems like a narc period calling the police about her neighbours' music, the trash not being emptied, or the homeless people she has to step over the street.
     
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    Re: the napping woman:
    Seriously, I've been treated exactly the same way when I've called to report a snowplow backing into my stationary car. I called them. The snowplow driver immediately told the cop he backed into my stationary car. I wasn't suspected of anything. Imagine my surprise to be instantly asked for my driver's license, registration, insurance, etc. I was grilled about what happened. Very serious, brusque, suspicious cop, who was there for an hour or more. The same thing happened when I called police after a neighbor's gun discharged (the neighbor asked me to call and report it).
    Yeah, I'm not seeing anything racist in it. It's not because I'm white. It's because I'm white and I've seen multiple things almost exactly like that, in which everybody involved was white.
    So, since the woman is black, she's never been involved in situations where everybody is white. I'll assume she has nothing to compare it to. So she's thinking that this mild, time-draining and bureaucratic behavior, in which she is treated cautiously and respectfully, is some sort of racism.
    Actually, I'm happy that her life has been sunny enough that she's never seen anything harsher than this. It gives me hope.
    It really doesn't help the cause to post snoozer stuff as racism.
    Nothing outrageous here, nothing to see.
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