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Posted - Nov 2 2004 : 11:42PM
Since similar questions seem to come up with some regularity regarding Australia and our porn laws, I've decided to try to condense much of this information into a single post. I might at some stage rewrite it to make it more FAQ-ey, but not today. If I find out about any changes in the local laws, I'll also mention them as I find them out.
Cost Differences
One of the two best reasons to buy DVDs from overseas in my opinion and experience are getting the full disc, and the cost differences. Getting the full disc is deal with below, under the subheading of "Australian-Released Private and Evil Angel Titles" so I'll just point out the price differences here.
In most Adult Stores I've visited in Australia, a "new" disc will cost you approximately AU$55-65. Some places have some titles as low as $45 and some as high as $85, but the AU$60 median seems to be the usual.
Checking for an accurate price conversion today (22nd Feb, 2008) shows that AU$60 coverts to US$56.10. Right there you see how much we're overcharged locally. Two new release titles from most US studios will cost US$19.95-$22.95 from many of the online retailers here on ADT, plus usually US$5-8 for shipping from there to here.
So it's a trade-off. You going into Club X and buying a movie gets you a more limited choice, and you pay a lot more, but you get it now . If you order from overseas, you wait (usually) 5-14 days for your porn, but you'll either save a bunch of money, or get 2 DVDs of your choice for little more than you'd have paid locally including postage, if we don't count kickbacks, coupons and all the rest.
Ah! You say. But I can take my pre-watched movies back into Club XYZ and swap them over for new movies for a fee. I admit I used to swap discs from Club X from time to time, when the system allowed a swap for $25 so I could sometimes drop a disc entirely but pick up an original EA disc for less cash than it'd cost me from overseas but sadly those days are gone.
Since they put their new exchange price system into place around the start of 2005 the value has ended.
The Gold/Silver/Bronze thing is defined by the condition of the disc, so basically at the clerk's discretion and depending on which of the categories the disc was in when you first bought it from them. Brand-New and New Release discs are gold, by their definition.
Club X Exchange costs:
Gold-Gold $30
Silver-Gold $35
Silver-Silver $25
Bronze-Gold $40
Since I try to keep all of my discs in good condition by treating them carefully, the worst they get to would be Silver. So I'm in a position of wanting new discs, and having Gold or Silver to trade for them. Looking at that chart I'd be paying either AU$30 or $35 for a new release, plus giving them a disc back.
AU$30 works out to US$28 and AU$35 comes to.. US$32.75. So basically I can buy a new release for less, and keep my old discs to give away to a friend or sell/trade on something like the .
So yeah, as much as I used to enjoy browsing the local shelves and buying in the here and now, there's not much point anymore, for me at least when I can order from overseas and choose exactly what I want for half the price of buying new, and still save money compared to exchanging..

Buying from Overseas
Ordering from overseas for personal use (not in commercial quantities, ie 1s and 2s) is legal, provided you're not importing banned material (the usual list, plus anything thats been refused classification, though there are also some exceptions to the RC situation, things like Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer).
I'm also aware that one of the NuTech anime porn dvds has been seized by Aust customs at one stage, though I don't recall which one, but I assume it had some form of demon-rape scene as these things tend to have.
Personally I've ordered from the US and Europe many, many times, had shipments opened by customs many times, and never had a problem with anything getting siezed.
Australian Customs Information
Simply put, customs is concerned with the movement of items in and out of the country. Not with the movement of items within Australia. If something is illegal within our borders, it becomes the business of your state police or possibly tthe AFP if it's something really serious.
From the Australian customs Service website:
customs manages the security and integrity of Australia''s borders. It works closely with other government and international agencies, in particular the Australian Federal Police, the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service, the Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs and the Department of Defence, to detect and deter unlawful movement of goods and people across the border.
A little-known fact about importing things into Australia that I've mentioned once or twice before on these smartbuydisc.rus (but could not find) is the way customs operates here.
Customs are NOT ALLOWED to open the mail. Only Australia Post may do this.
Australia Post are NOT ALLOWED to randomly inspect people's international mail. Only customs Officers may do this.
This means incoming mail moves through a Facility called "Australian customs Postal Operations" where Aust Post and Aust customs employees work together. The Aust Post officer will open your mail, the customs Officer will inspect it, then the Postal Officer will reseal it. While it may seem to be a bit of a pointless doubling-up, it actually ensures extra safety for parcels coming in, as the teams/partners are rotated every so often, and noone wants to lose their job, it's much less likely here for some customs or Postal officer to decide to steal your mail once they open it and see what's in there.
Local Laws Regarding Ownership of Pornography
Follow [link inactive:Server error]This Link to the Eros Foundation's Website.
The Link lists Local Sex Laws in Australia in a handy tabular format.
Buying Porn Within Australia
It's (technically) illegal for shops to sell video/DVD porn over the counter in the various states, but not in the NT or ACT, however the authorities basically turn a blind eye to videos being sold over the counter in places like Club X and Sexyland etc etc (ie victimless crime and they have more important things to do).
Ordering from the ACT or the NT is perfectly legal due to laws about free trade betwene the stats and territories.
Where to shop locally? It all depends what you consider to be decent prices and range. Axis (/ have been around as a mail-order place forever. They used to be in the ACT, and then years ago moved to the NT, not sure where they are now. These days they're owned by adultshop.com (adultshop.com.au).
They have a very limited range, and you'll find that both websites have slightly different stock. You can combine items from both shops, but only by phoning your order through. Be sure and call the Axis line, and place it as an "Axis order" so you're entitled to the bulk discount.
Good things are they're quite cheap on EA titles, and amazingly so with the bulk discount thing happening. Bad points are as focusyn mentioned (and a point of many of my bitter complaints in the past here) that the discs they sell are local versions, so the EA titles have all the extra materials stripped out of them, and the Private Titles also have all the extras stripped out of them. I'm about to place an order for a few things to give them a test run. Of course, after I order they'll have nothing left I want for ages.. IMO they'd be someone to order from very occasionally at best.
While I'm sure Australia post screens internal packages for things like bombs and the like, DVDs are none of their concern. customs don't even factor into the equation as they're not at all involved with internal mail.
IMO anything advertised on the web by Kaosshop, or AXIS, or Adultshop or any of the other Australian mail order houses will be 99.9% be legal for you to buy via mail order. And even if something turned out to be suspect, you can easily claim reasonable doubt.
This is because anything they have openly for sale should be assumed to be legal. After all, their website is as accessable to Robert Alston or John Howard or the head of the Australian Federal Police as it is to you or I. It's not like an actual Club X shop where you have to go in, enter the back room and then search through the racks of DVDs - it's all right there in the (figurative) open.
Oh yeah, in addition to all of the above, a lot of these places use the various courier services to ship their product around. Some will use Aust Post expresspost parcels, but many will use courier services and so only travel through the couriers' internal transport network. - Again I'm sure they xray packages for bombs but I doubt they give two hoots about your choices of DVD...
Australian-Released Private and Evil Angel Titles

focusyn said:
A recent example of how bad the Private DVDs are here. I bought the PAL version of the 2 disc Collector's Edition of "Perfect" from a local online store. The price was average, but it was autographed by Jodie Moore so I thought why not. Movie arrives, it lists all the extras as the US one. Put in disc 1, movie, fine. Put in the other disc, it's the movie plus a bonus scene w/ Jodie Moore... that's it. Basically the same disc only with different menus and labelled as the extras disc. Crappy.
Yep I agree. I did buy a couple of Privates a year or two ago, before knowing the ones in the card covers were local stripped versions. I did end up keeping 3 of the 4 titles I bought - a comp which would not have had any extras anyway, a Reality title, which again only loses the extra previews, and Riviera 2, which shares the same extras as Riviera 1 and 3. The other one was the Virtualia with Sophie Evans, which I traded back in for an EA title, and replaced it with a real one.
Since then I've not bought a single Private title locally. The worst offenders locally are the Private Life of series, where the second disc is completely absent, and the annual Private "Best ofs" (ie 24 Karat, Odyssey, Millennium, Sex Non-Stop, etc) which were for a time sold as two seperate DVDs, the same as the video releases instead of compiled onto the one DVD, as they are everywhere else in the world.
Sadly these are the Private titles you'll find at Axis, adultshop.com.au, adultdvdwarehouse (and all their affiliates) and pretty much anywhere here in Australia.
The Evil Angel catalogue sadly suffers from the same fate in their local versions. The extras are consistantly removed from the discs in their PAL versions. Luckily (and unlike Private discs) there are quite a number of EA discs imported from the USA. The bad news here is that these can only be found in porn stores, as the online retailers are unlikely to have anything but the locally-licenced (and extra-less) local versions.
The "real" US ones can usually be easily identified by the distinctive red DVD cases, but the only way to be sure it's an original US imprint is to make sure it doesn't have an Australian "X" classification anywhere on the disc, and that all extras are listed.
Why won't the Imported Private Discs work on my console?
A note that might be useful for some with regard to the locally-produced vs Imported Private discs, I have had a retailer tell me that he preferred to stock the local ones because customers with X-Boxes and PS2s can't play the imported ones. This is because the imports have parental lock enabled and so do their consoles (by default). They just need to RTFM (Read The Fine Manual) and turn the locks off on their consoles and away they go.
Other Valuable and Interesting Posts regarding Porn in Australia
Posted by ADT Member: Ultrasiet
Jun 28 2004
I used to buy most of my stuff through kaosdvd.com which worked out really well, as they had a 'buy six get three free' deal. That meant my DVD's averaged in, including postage, at around the 26 dollar mark, not bad considering the range. Whenever I had a problem with discs scratched from manufacturing or in transit, I had them replaced without incident.
However, the deal is now gone, and while they have some decent specials - currently all the Orgy World lines and No Cum Dodging Allowed 1 & 2 are all 15 bucks Australia - they just aren't the option they used to be. They need to bring that special back, because there isn't a whole lot of incentive to order from them anymore.
So that leaves overseas options like Adultdvdnow.com, which I have used twice and an incident with a faulty disc pissed me off with them...but I may go with them again because of my paranoia with Aussie customs. Check this out Aussie folks, from the latest Eros journal issue, as reported by
refused-classification.com:
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This issue also contains an interesting letter from a reader in Adelaide who had his home raided after trying to import two films by art-house erotica director Andrew Blake. customs ended up walking away with 60 of his DVD's! He is obviously at a loss as to how he should deal with this issue and so wrote to The Eros Journal for advice. Here is their reply.
You are not alone here. Many Australians are now experiencing dawn raids on their homes by customs because they bought what they thought was an ordinary, non-violent erotic DVD from overseas. The problem here is that the DVD or video that is called X or XXX in another country is now a Refused Classification film in Australia, due to the unnecessary tightening of the guidelines for X material here by the Howard government. All it takes is a few seconds of really bad language ('assualtative language' in the jargon) or someone to throw a drink on someone or slap them on the face (or the arse sometimes) and the film will not pass the X classification. It basically knocks out any form of dramatic plot developments, so if you see an intelligent X rated video that looks like it might have a good story line or drama in it, don't try and import it.
Sorry, not much we can do here. You should engage a good customs lawyer and have him or her highlight the stupidity of the customs Regulations
which are at odds with the Classification Act.
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Well, this makes me a little nervous - I'm in NSW, and have not heard of any home raids in this State. In fact, generally suspect tapes/discs are confiscated and a warning letter issued...but hey, the strategy of customs appears to be changing. I mean, as far as I can see, Andrew Blake films have never been a problem with the OFLC in this country, which means some customs officer has decided from looking at the case or the footage in the film itself that it breached the guidelines for importation, organised a search warrant...etc.
In Western Australia, these sorts of raids are a dime a dozen, but X-rated films are technically illegal to possess there. Not so South Australia, so customs are enforcing Federal Law quite forcefully. Scary.
I'm very very cautious about buying any porn at all from overseas. You would think the way adultdvdnow does it is pretty safe, and so too adultdvdtoday from all reports. I'm surprised scipio's shipments have got through hunky dory, as quite a few Private films are under scrutiny thanks to RC classifications. I also think the cover to something like Weapons of Ass Destruction 3 would bother them - Tegan Presley with a ball-gag. They're not fond of ball-gags, hence Private's THE ACADEMY being Refused Classification until they removed footage of Lex Steele with a ball-gag in his mouth.
Even with the supposed discreet packaging of adultdvdtoday.com, it's a little disturbing customs is still opening each package. If they can take issue with Andrew Blake movies, what about a Jules Jordan? Or a Susie Medusa Gottardi title?
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Posted by ADT Member: Loraine
Jul 5 2004
I read the Eros Journal's letter re the Custom's raid when my copy arrived last month and had to pick my jaw up off the floor. A raid! I'm still shaking my head at that.
I still get confused here. Is anyone else? Anything labelled X or XXX overseas is now a Refused classification in Aust. It's not illegal to own film rated X by the OFLC. What about owning film that is unclassified by the OFLC? Which seems to be the case in the Eros letter.
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I believe Loraine also had another excellent post on a very similar topic, but I can't find it
An Interesting Link Regarding Films that have been Refused Classification in Australia

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Posted - Nov 3 2004 : 3:07AM
Thanks Scipio

Very useful information and links.


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Posted - Nov 5 2004 : 1:11AM
Thanks Scipio for another most informative post!
What's on the usal list exactly?

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Posted - Nov 5 2004 : 4:19AM
Pretty much the stuff they they won't distribute in the US. Brown/Golden Showers, violence, bondage w/sex, fisting, etc.

Doesnt mean you can't sometimes find it here, or bring it in, but expect customs to seize it if they find it.

Luckily for me, I have no interest in that stuff anyway.

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Posted - Nov 5 2004 : 5:33AM
I'm into fisting and watersports, sometimes bondage with sex, guess I was lucky so far.

Kaos in Australia seems to carry all of the above, and some local sex shops have fisting DVDs.

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Posted - Nov 8 2004 : 1:56AM
Yeah, customs is nothing if not inconsistant in their rulings..

edit - ba-domp.

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Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 5:42AM
Some Pissing/Watersports and Fisting DVDs are also manufactured in Australia presumably under license (well maybe not all the time) but a local sex show owner tells me they are heavily edited. I don't even care what is edited out, I won't buy censored stuff like that!

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Posted - Jul 18 2005 : 9:29AM
There's also a booming trade in pirated porn in Australian Porn Stores, which range from properly-pressed silver DVDs to blue/purple DVD-Rs which usually have the CD image printed on the front, with all the extras stripped for those who like to pay full price for dodgy pirated discs..

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Thanks for the info Scipio. Re: Privates in Australia, my local Sexyland in Melbourne says they now get theirs directly from Barcelona and are thus complete, but the prices are outrageous!

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The Adult Industry Copyright [link inactive:Server error]Organisation makes for interesting reading regarding piracy.

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Posted - Jul 31 2005 : 11:56PM
Interesting read Loraine, thanks!

I think other studios, including SG Video, had issues with the culprits, but I guess not everyone has the will and financial clout to sue...


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Posted - Jun 21 2006 : 2:16PM
Instead of starting a new thread. I thought i would just ask here. What are the rules and regulations, and licenses needed for filming pornography within nsw or other states for that matter?

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Posted - Sep 21 2006 : 5:36PM
As far as I know, producing adult films is illegal in all states, even the ACT/NT (although as stated, you can buy the DVDs/Videos), although no doubt it is done in a clandestine manner.

I know here in Western Australia it's illegal as hell, as a Friend and I began to do pre-production on a "Bang Bus" type of format, but after a quiet chat with a Detective friend we decided that freedom was better than Causarina Prison

At one stage, XXX videos were illegal to sell, hire and possess in W.A., but I think the possession part of that law has been repealed. (I share most of my good stuff with policeman friends LOL)

On a side note an on topic, I agree with scipio that pricing for DVDs/Videos here is outrageous and Customs make it difficult to get decent porn, so the only thing left is to download it.

Our Government is amazing. You can swear on prime time TV (even the taboo "C" word is allowed after 9pm). You can watch a violent film with people being mutilated in a cinema (ie, SAW and Wolf Creek for example) ... but god forbid you should be allowed to watch people having sex ...

Our politicians are a pack of flamin' galahs!

Sharon Mitchell - Goddess of Porn!


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Hey Clarisworkz,

Thanks for the information. I read a few years ago that there were a lot of complaints by Australian government members about a woman who was I think prime minister and used to wear mini-skirts very often...


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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 7:45PM
Yep, got Sex City recently locally and it's much better than the previous "manufactured in Australia stuff". Regarding cost, my local sex shop has very reasonable prices, around 40 AUD generally. Sex City (a two disc set in special packaging) was 55 AUD new but I got it used in mint condition for 20 AUD.
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Posted - Oct 30 2006 : 2:28AM
Actually, there's no real problems from customs with regard to importing porn. Just make sure that

1) You're not importing anything that's going to be of interest to the censors/customs.
2) The discs are shipped discreetly.

I used to order a lot that were shipped in their cases. Mostly they got through just fine, even when customs would open them now and then. On occasion whole boxes would go missing though, but with no note from customs it moreso meant that someone in the shipping path had simply added some discs to their collection.


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Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 10:33AM
I don't know what the law says, but Australian Rosie have been producing hardcore porn for several years now. It's supposedly readers who write in and ask if they can do a scene, so maybe this circumvents some laws? Maybe in law this is amateurs getting a friend to film them or something.

The thing about Private movies being badly cut is no longer true where I am, AFAIK. I've bought three or four 'Private Life of...' in the last two years and they each had everything listed in their ADT reviews. A few years earlier I bought 'The Private Life of Monique Covet' and got only one disc. Ripped off.

I've only just started researching buying porn through the net, so thanks Scipio and all contributors for the info you've posted. I cannot believe the prices asked for porn DVDs on Aus sites!

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Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 10:12PM
Some of the internet sellers in Oz have the cheek to sell Evil Angel (licenced Australian pressings) for AUS$50.00 plus postage and handling (axisshop.com.au). The best price on the net is around AUS$35.00 (aciddvd.com.au and loveheart.com.au).
However, the AdultWorld chain in Sydney sells them for around AUS$20.00 to $30.00 (for single-disc releases). So that is the way I go unless I can't find the title on the shelf. It's even less if you bring in a swap/trade-in.
I prefer to go with 2nd-hand and For Sale titles from the States though. I've found adultdvdtoday.com to be a most reliable seller and the turnaround time is excellent! You can order a single title for only US$2.95 and it arrives at my place in Sydney inside a week.
Contrast this with Empire (min US$10.50 for postage and handling), CDMovies (US$9.00) and Excalibur ($7.50).

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Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 4:46AM
scipio, how is the new legislation going to affect internet porn? some people are saying it's going to filter it all out, others are saying only some things will go.
it's clearly a massive bunch of bullshit either way.

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Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 8:12PM
I have no idea. I've just read up on some of it, and it's a total mess.


Edited by - scipio on 1/1/2008 8:16:51 PM


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i wonder if we'll still be able to access adt. who knows how far this pro-censorship thing will go?
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This line is the one thing that gives me some kind of hope.
Well, that and the fact that it's a very difficult job to do, assuming you're not China.

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Hi Scipio, I'm thinking about importing 2 or 3 adult dvds from the US to Australia. Basically is it legal for a private individual to import late 1970's and 1980's and early 1990's titles into Australia? It's all to do with this stupid situation we have in Australia where Australian porn retailers (online) will not stock any title that was previously available on video format, before dvd was phased in. You can get a few old titles (like Debbie Does Dallas), but you have to look very hard to find them. Is it because the Australian porn laws were tightened unneccessarily, around 2000(?)and they would have to go before a censor again and be classified all over again, under the new cencorship guidelines (no violence, or deviant stuff). I know about the Australian OFLC guidelines, about not importing dvds that have been refused classification because they contain violence, underage, beastiality and other deviant stuff. Therefore are the old late 1970s and 1980s titles refused classification, because they would have to be examined by Australian censors for a second time? I know I'm contradicting myself. The old x-rated porn titles that we could buy in Australia (the mastertapes imported from the US)during the 1980s and 90s, would have contained no deviant stuff anyway. I know that you have basically said its alright to import a few x-rated titles for private use, and other Australian guys on this board have talked about their importing experiences, so it appears to be safe. i just don't want a whopping great fine for importing a few porn movies that used to be freely avialable in Australia, as late as the 1990s. Again would the old, late 1970s and 80s porn movies (starring Loni Sanders, Annette Haven, Georgette Sanders, Arcadia Lake, Christie Ford, Rickie o'Neal, Leslie Bovee, Torrie Welles, etc) be illegal to import, because they may 'automatically have been refused classification' as they are not available on dvd in Australia.Thanks very much for all your help. Panther1



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