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The website Backpage.com was taken down Friday and seized by federal law enforcement authorities, according to a notice posted online.
The classifieds website has been the focus of intense scrutiny over the issue of its sex ads, which have included those involving children being trafficked by adults.. A Washington Post investigation last year found that Backpage was using a contractor in the Philippines to contact prostitutes on other websites, seeking to lure their ads to Backpage and creating the ads for those prostitutes in advance.
Visitors to the site on Friday were greeted with an announcement that said “backpage.com and affiliated websites have been seized as part of an enforcement action” by agencies including the FBI as well as the law enforcement wings of the U.S. Postal Service and the Internal Revenue Service.

Edited by - tookie on Apr 6 2018
Edited to change title to make the thread inclusive of all that is going on.
Edited by - Flash on Apr 8 2018

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Posted - Apr 6 2018 : 8:18PM
^ "using a contractor ... to contact prostitutes on other websites, seeking to lure their ads to Backpage and creating the ads for those prostitutes in advance".
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ECCIE gone now. For those that don't know what that is, it's basically the same thing as TER.

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Posted - Apr 8 2018 : 7:23PM
The fun thing is that FOSTA/SESTA hasn't actually been signed into law yet. Backpage being shut has been something they were working towards for a while now (and unsurprisingly, it looks like they didn't need the new law to do it even though people tried to say they did). TER banning US access, other sites closing up shop, and sites like Reddit and even this very smartbuydisc.ru basically banning talk of escorting and such is basically in preparation of how we think this law is going to be enforced. Basically, it's about to get much harder to openly find an escort over the internet (which sucks for escorts and arguably for people who aren't already in the know about how to reach them without those sites).
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Posted - Apr 8 2018 : 7:48PM
I see p411 has now stopped accepting US members...new ones anyway, not sure about existing accounts.
Also, I've noticed a lot of people on twitter saying to just use a VPN to access TER like that's really a solution. I mean, yeah, that will get you on the site but what good will that do you if they delete all US-related content. Which they surely will do if they haven't already.
And speaking of twitter, I wonder if it's only a matter of time before things get tighter there too.

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Posted - Apr 8 2018 : 10:31PM
Any real truth to this, or are we seeing the usual "we're doing this FOR THE CHILDREN! Think of THE CHILDREN! Don't think about the government chilling free speech by and amongst adults!" bullshit?
 
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^ As usual, a small modicum of truth (at least in terms of "trafficking"--not necessarily children), but if Backpage has resulted in the arrest of traffickers I'm unsure how shutting it down would help end trafficking. If this were actually about ending human trafficking, the focus would not be on sexual services, it would be on the textile, agriculture, and meat industries. SESTA/FOSTA is simply the latest effort to deny sex workers any space to operate their business because people don't like sex work. Nothing new but chilling in the incredibly far reaching negative impact it will have on a population that is already disenfranchised, vulnerable, and at the margins of society trying to survive.

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Posted - Apr 10 2018 : 9:42AM
And we're going to be implementing a policy here soon of no linking to sites that promote prostitution in any way.
I am waiting for the Feds to raid one of the major cam sites.
Edited by - Drew Black on 4/10/2018 9:57:35 AM
 
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I suspect this is just the usual anti-sex worker harrassment in the guise of cracking down of trafficking that is the new veneer given these efforts from the right and reationary 'left.'
Not that there couldn't have been some abuses taking place but I highly doubt that was the motivation.
I would suspect this is just the first step of the Feds under the GOP gearing up for a general crackdown that will eventually include pornography as well.

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Posted - Apr 11 2018 : 1:38PM
For whatever it's worth, Eros-Dot-Com and Bigdoggie-Dot-Net are still in operation. Perhaps they've got the stones and the resources to fight successfully for their free speech.
Do the FOSTA/SESTA restrictions extend to printed media? Perhaps advertising circulars like Chicago's Gentlemens' Pages could survive this purge.
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Posted - Apr 11 2018 : 2:40PM
The Eros office was raided last fall and Homeland Security seized
I don't think it's paranoid to suggest that site might be compromised and not safe to use. Big Doggie has been busted in the past as well.

Anyway, Dump signed the bill today.


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Posted - Apr 11 2018 : 8:05PM
“Switter” (search for it) is a new website set up basically in response to all this ridiculous legislation. Seems to be good and us gaining 1000s of users per day.

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Posted - Apr 12 2018 : 4:11AM
A sex worker wrote an article on this in my paper today. I'd actually never heard of Backpage, I didn't know it was used around the world.
This line got to me:
"many sex worker outreach organisations have already begun scaling back their operations for fear that they, too, may find themselves in legal trouble"
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Posted - Apr 15 2018 : 6:31AM
Much sooner than you think I'm afraid , you know ,many agents are actually pimps , you can easily crack down some porn agencies entirely based on this alone , besides most people doesn't know about the extent of escorting among the porn pool, once it's known it might very well lose what percieved glamour still is in porn , those celebrities indulging into porn escort might decide to go for the unknown as well , a pornstar is one thing , a prostitute is another in the public perception.
Add all those creepy stories of tricked stars , violence and assault , desrespect or mistreatment either private and public on set and off set ,unpaid stars , Stars lured into private scenes who actually are pimped out to johns , newbies lured way far off home and left with no means to survive so that they give up performing and start escorting , overdoses , suicides, attempt suicides with the even creepier notion that the whole industry basically covers them almost without question. Those who file complaints are pushed out , the scum involved gets back happily welcomed
what do you think would happen if any of this goes on mainstream news?
It's the very paradygm of human exploitation and trafficking and I'm very surprised and shocked that the big brass in the Industry don't get it

Edited by - LCF on 4/15/2018 9:23:07 AM


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How will this affect current performers that rely on escorting as a primary or significant supplementary income source? The fact is, most girls can't sustain a long term career shooting scenes and so they branch out into escorting, stripping, and/or camming. I don't think the escorting will disappear entirely, but it's sure going to be a LOT more difficult to connect with potential clients.
Something that occurs to me is that pimps/madams (you know, the real traffickers) may end up being the real winners here, especially at the high end. Someone with lots of connections to men with higher incomes, that can connect escorts with potential clients - that person could really do well.

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Posted - Apr 18 2018 : 3:31AM
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I'd imagine it'll affect even porn star escorts some (mostly from people not knowing their favorite performers are available because they would normally find out from sites like TER), but most of the popular performers weren't really putting out ads and the like for clients on the sites in question, so you can still either contact them directly through e-mail/social media, or though whatever backchannels they already had set up. One thing we haven't seen yet that seems pretty likely is social media sites like Twitter cracking down on people advertising their availability for escorting. I'd imagine that is coming, but the level to which they crack down will be important.
Edit: Coming back to this thread reminds me that no one has posted about the . Part of the charges are not only that Backpage knew that the majority of the ads placed there were for prostitution, but that they actively worked to try to make the ads less obvious about what was being offered. And if they were editing ads to remove more than just overt references to prostitution/escorting (like, say, making sure ads weren't saying/implying that the people in the ads were underage), then I can see why the government went after them specifically to make a point.
Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 4/18/2018 3:38:03 AM
 
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I think to call all Madams 'traffickers' is over broad. Cathouses are often much safer for sex workers, especially compared to streetwalking.

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The term "Trafficker" is probably overly broad, given the negative connotation. But nuance is difficult in issues of public debate.
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I guess this is what they meant by MAGA! Oh well, its only time that they take away our porn. Enjoy while you can Gents.

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Posted - Apr 23 2018 : 4:41PM
Rumor (just that, but not unimaginable) is that adult websites that require you to ‘Click Yes If Over 18’ will have to actually verify age before showing any content whatsoever, based on a draft-stage bill.
If it becomes a bill, I think it stands a chance of passing in this political climate, with ‘bipartisan’ support.

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Something like that has already passed in the UK (and Mindgeek has offered to make the age verification system), so I wouldn't be shocked if it passed in the US as well.
 
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Forced age verification laws have been by several federal courts.

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Posted - May 2 2018 : 11:45AM
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That hardly makes the trade unique. These people should look up the ten most dangerous jobs in America. Sex workers didn't make the list, but aircraft pilots and flight engineers did. They're ranked third, as a matter of fact.
Are FOSTA Backers going to demand that we stop flying? If not, then why should we give their argument any standing?
(typo)
Edited by - hardware on 5/2/2018 6:09:40 PM
 
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^ It was my understanding that sex work is one of the most dangerous jobs—the #1 most dangerous for women. Could you link to where you got that info?
As for “your work can never be safe,” that’s essentially an admission that a) this bill makes work less safe for sex workers and b) the lawmakers do not give a shit about sex worker lives.
 
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Here The data comes from the US Department of Labor, so they may not have looked at sex workers.
 
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^Ah, yes for sure they do not include sex work. A 2004 study found that sex work has a workplace homicide rate 54 times as high as the next most dangerous job for women (a liquor store worker). done in the UK maintains that sex work remains the most dangerous job for women. And it boggles the mind to think how many sex workers endure assault and do not report it to police.
Very sad indeed.
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Thanks.
So, should we just list all the jobs that can never be safe? I'm thinking it would be a long list.

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"The closure of popular classified advertising websites such as Craigslist, Backpage and Cracker began when US President Donald Trump signed a combined bill into lawknown as FOSTA (Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act) SESTA (Stop Enabling Sex-Trafficking Act) in the hope of combating illegal sex trafficking online.
Because [overseas] sex workers use the America-based websites to advertise their services, President Trump’s new law directly affects them.
“I went without work for almost three weeks when Backpage and Cracker first went down, and had no way to ensure short notice to pay my bills during that time without using savings,” Ms Grey said. “I was lucky to have had savings, and that this time without work was limited. Backpage went down on April 7 and a friend of mine hasn’t had any work since.”
She said others have tried turning to brothel work which ... can pit up to 60 girls against each other as they compete for just one client. “Sometimes your lucky to get one client and, even then, the parlour takes a cut of up to 60 per cent,” she said. “So you might be working a 12-hour overnight shift and just make $100.""
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^ FOSTA/SESTA has mobilized pimps and lowered the ability to work for one's self. It's such a tragic irony.
 
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Posted - Aug 10 2018 : 1:27PM
Just for clarification, does this new policy include discussing the legal brothels in Nevada? I assume it does, but just wanted to be certain.
I thought there might be a small chance of an exception for them since they are the only legal form of prostitution/escorting in the U.S.
 
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Posted - Aug 10 2018 : 1:31PM
This is the rule as written:
No topics about prostitution or escorts
Due to the passage of FOSTA/SESTA Adult DVD Talk cannot allow any topics, private messages, posts or Tweets that promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person. This means you can't talk about which porn stars might be escorts and where you can find them to engage their services. We don't have the luxury of giving out warnings. We'll delete the post or topic and likely ban your account immediately.
I think the key word is ANY.

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Posted - Sep 8 2018 : 4:41AM
There was a similar type of law that passed where i live couple years ago. Everybody freaked out, websites changed there spelling for a while and clients where afraid. In the end nothing ever came out of it. Now things are back to normal like nothing ever happened. There some things in the world you just can't stop , smoking weed and using the services of prostitutes is 2 of them lol. Drinking alcool was another, how well did it worked out again? :P

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And for further clarification, we're deleting any press releases posted in the Porn News smartbuydisc.ru that promote businesses engaged in legal prostitution in Nevada.

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"The one-year anniversary of the FOSTA-SESTA bills being signed in to law in the US is ... approaching"

"Sex work and sex trafficking are frequently seen to be one and the same in the US"

"workers who relied on websites like Backpage and Craigslist to advertise their services lost their primary source of income when the sites were either taken down, or took themselves down.

Many who needed money urgently turned to street work as their only other viable option and in the fourteen days immediately following the bills’ passing, thirteen sex workers went missing, two were found dead and many more experienced rape and assault."

"there was no mass-arrest of human traffickers after FOSTA-SESTA, and even law enforcement officials would go on to say that it actually made traffickers harder to track and find, not easier."

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Posted - Mar 9 2019 : 2:42PM
SS, the US definitely needs more sensible laws in this regard. Just like alcohol and weed, people paying for sex is something that is not going away. You cannot legislate it away or I-don't-see-it-so-it-doesn't-exist-it-away. The anti-work legislations just pushes it further into the shadows, and perpetuates the violence as seen in the graphic above.

Edited by - Smiler Grogan on 3/9/2019 3:31:31 PM


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Posted - Mar 9 2019 : 3:23PM
FOSTA/SESTA are much, much worse than just anti-work legislation. These laws make sites like Craiglist (or ADT) retroactively liable for content posted by their users. Websites that 'promote' prostitution can be hauled into State courts to defend themselves against bullshit lawsuits.

Say we have an old topic that talks about a pornstar that was also available for escort services back when the topic was posted. ( Keep in mind that ADT has been online for almost 20 years.) Say this person was originally from a religious family in the Bible Belt states. This shitty laws make it possible for that former porn star to sue ADT in their State for the content posted by some anonymous user. We might be able to successfully fight it, but it would cost shit tons of money to do so.

I am really surprised that the copyright and patent troll lawyers haven't seized on this new opportunity to extort settlements in friendly court districts.


Edited by - Drew Black on 3/9/2019 3:24:15 PM

 
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^WOW. I didn't know all that.
 
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I don't believe they could win in court, but that won't help your bank account. Unfortunately, the willingness of legislators to ignore the Constitution in favor of cheap political points is a never ending problem.

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Posted - Jul 31 2019 : 2:21PM
In soviet America it's not prostitution if a camera's rolling.
Everyone records their sex romps nowadays.
Therefore there is no prostitution in America and it would be impossible to promote or endorse it.

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