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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 8:47AM
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did you do any math over it? I guessing not , but you do understand tha a low vote with little numbers is a lot heavier than a ten (or 5 stars if you prefer)
It's only a 1.7 raise not the double

you see a 2 will divide a 10 into an average of 5 , and would push down three 9 to a mere 7.25 giving the impression of a mediocre scene that actually was deemed very good by three times the viewers, but just one ten would raise the average to 7.8 already, over half a point. you would need to double the number of votes only if the lowest of them keep coming, if they don't then just a bunch of higher votes would overcome those .
Overnight?
Well of course, I don't think people watches porn in working hours , they do that at night and subsequently votes after watching it, again at night.

 
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I'll explain it better , three initial 2 would destroy the scene for a while as the votes keep coming this effet will be nullified with any further high vote for example 2+2+2+9+9+9=33 divided the number of voters 6 = 5.5 of average but if you add a 10 you will have 43 divided 7 = 6.15 , if you add another 10 you'll have 53 divided 8 = 6.6 with just two votes you already gained more than one full point.
You don't have do double anything , any vote that counter the downs would do unless the low votes keep coming, if it happens very fast then the low votes were few a, they all came tigether when the scene was released and they weren't supported by any added low vote.

There was no need to rig anything


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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 9:46AM
I did do the math. That's why I wrote that starting from an average of 6.9 you'd need to more than double the number of ratings, adding exclusively 5 stars, to reach an 8.6.

That might be inconvenient to your white knighting, but it's just the reality.

I said overnight as a turn of phrase, meaning suddenly. One day it was 6.9. A short time later it was 8.6.

And we're supposed to accept that there was a flood of 5 star ratings, three days after release, with no accompanying flood of comments or ratings for the model herself?

Not buying it.


Edit: why don't you follow your own example, or perhaps start again from an average of 6.9, all the way through until you reach 8.6, and see if you end up with double the initial number of votes?

You stopped too soon.

Edited by - SM009 on 7/3/2019 9:57:59 AM


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If we can't trust pornographers to maintain transparency with model and scene rankings then I ask who can we trust?
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Can y’all please just give it a rest...nobody cares!!!! Can we please get back to current scenes, upcoming scenes and wishlists? I’ll start...

Wishlist:

Newbies:

Gabbie Carter
Riley Steele
Kayden Kross
Kimmy Granger
Jessica Jaymes
Melena Maria
Addie Andrews

Returners:

Ariana Marie x100
Naomi Swann
Little Caprice
Lily Rader
Sinderella
Scarlet Sage

Also I have said this once and I’ll say it again...I firmly believe that Lansky missed out on a great opportunity to start a “Sorority” series after the scene with Elsa Jean, Sydney Cole and Rachel James. That scene is regarded as one of the greatest IR scenes on the site!! Maybe one or two scenes a year of passing the baton so to speak. Those 3 come back, then having the next 3 pledges keep up the tradition. That could have been an amazing “sorority” series. They can still do it. Anyway...one can dream


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98% of the posts on this smartbuydisc.ru are wishlists, sometimes a little math is a welcome reprieve. ;)
 
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No you didn't do any math , you don't need any double I already showed you the example, the real problem is that the low votes are very few

Also you may need the double of the overall numbers of votes only if the overall votes are VERY few, in my example they were only 7 , but if remember the old system like/ dislike the overall voters were in the order of hundreds, so doubling the initial numbers of the overall votes isn't really a big problem

The real problem is that system is flawed , too much wight is given to malicious low votes

as for the white knight it's relly hilarious , I'm not a fan of Jesse, I might have seen no more than 5 scenes of hers at DP, never seen Riley Steele nor Kayden Kross back then , never been a fan of DP , I only use to rent some DVD for Stoya I didn't even fast forwarded them going right to her scene from the menu

The very first time I ever seen Kayden Kross was with her husband and only by chance

go figure


I just don't like being mocked by people with agendas wanting to make me believe their BS.


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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 2:55PM
Mind if I bump it up to 98.001% My math sucks though.

I mean a woman has 2 tits + I have 2 hands = perfect match 4 me

or

2 hands - 1 computer mouse = 1 free hand to uh... type...

I got nothing else, I blame my American education

I hereby nominate:

Gabbie Carter
Lilo Mai
Megan Marx

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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 7:01PM
If you had followed my advice and completed your own example then you wouldn't be saying all this.

Here, I'll do it for you:

You stopped at

2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10=53

Let's add another 10 before we begin to take us up to 63, which will give us a round 7.0 rating, closer to the 6.9 the Jesse Jane scene was sat at.

So...

2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10=63 /9 =7.0 (from initial 9 votes)
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10=73 /10=7.3
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10=83 /11=7.5
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10=93 /12=7.75
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=103 /13=7.9
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=113 /14=8.1
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=123 /15=8.2
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=133 /16=8.3
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=143 /17=8.4
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=153 / 18=8.5 (that's 18 votes, double the initial tally)
2+2+2+9+9+9+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10+10=163 / 19=8.57 (19 votes, and let's call that 8.6)

This is the case whether the initial 6.9 rating was the average of 10 votes, 100 votes, 1000 votes...

Contrary to what you suggested, the higher the initial number of votes the further past doubling that figure you have to go.

If 6.9 was the average from an initial 100 votes, it would require around an additional 120 perfect 10 ratings to bump the average up to 8.6.

From 1000 initial votes you would need over 1200 10/10 ratings to reach 8.6.


The reality is that it is highly unlikely that the rating changed organically. Even if the number of votes over the first 3 days of release was surprisingly low, it'd be remarkably convenient to suddenly double that tally with enough positive ratings to drive the average up by that much.

And as I said in my previous comments, the fact that this sudden improvement wasn't accompanied by additional comments and an improvement in her model rating makes the chances of a fix even more likely.


Sorry to everyone for the spreadsheet, but I had to make the point somehow.

Edited by - SM009 on 7/3/2019 7:06:33 PM

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Jesse is not the kind of girl the majority of Vixenlandia fans like to see there, that's it, they don't care about her debuting an IR scene after years on this or the main trajectory that Jesse has...

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Wow they did remove all the model ratings! They did it across all their sites too. That is just too much!

But I'd echo Ohio Is For Lover's post, Blacked's European scenes are getting a raw deal again compared to the b-sites! Here are the Blacked scenes that were released since the porn freeze:

Ella Hughes
Emily Cutie
Sybil
Rebecca Volpetti

And here are the b-site scenes released in that same time frame:

Liya Silver and Jia Lissa
Stacy Cruz and Elena Vedem
Red Fox and Angelika Grays
Jia Lissa and Ellie Leen
Tiffany Tatum and Alecia Fox

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed all of those Blacked scenes. But Emily Cutie is the only debutante (which we all love) and there hasn't been a single Boy/Girl/Girl threesome yet! And then there are girls who've shot multiple scenes for the b-site still haven't done one for Blacked yet like Red Fox or Ellie Leen. Hopefully the European scenes pick up some steam soon, they were great before the porn freeze!


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I pray for Sybil and Stacy Cruz in same scene but it feels like we'll more likely see Nina Hartley and Sophie Dee the way things are going. When I saw that Jia Lissa and Liya Silver preview of Vixen my mind was blown. On the interracial sites its always some veteran / freshman combo.
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Actually I suggested that the low votes were few or very few thus there was no need to that many votes especially if they didn't keep coming , also if you remember the average number of voters when they used the like/dislike rating system you'll know that within the first week the number of total voters was around 150 ,this at the beginning of Blacked activity. When they changed we have seen rates as high as 9.6 fall down to 7.9 overnight , or votes as high as 5.5 initially raising to 8.0 overnight usually on weekends. Such average number of 150 voters within the first week is the number of voters you have to take into account if you want to predict the outcome of a rating. Pushing it up or down with just a few numbers of worshippers or hater won't change what the total votes would show, except for a short period of glory.
there's no need to double the average voters , there's no need of anything organic, the initial rating due to some haters wasn't real

Edited by - LCF on 7/4/2019 12:42:27 AM

 
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As I said time and again too many haters and worshippers were pushing either way and those ratings didn't match their scenes , it was weird either way sometimes.
Of course they could have rigged those ratings both, as some suggested , but obviously they didn't and that difference between scenes and performers rating was proof of that.
But they may have just realized that the haters might harm their business especially when they spread their hate around using their own ratings to prove they're right , it's negative commercials from people with an agenda or a political view trying to make everybody believe their views are common , the kind of people you see nowadays those talking about the same thing on socials, smartbuydisc.rus and whatever adding layers and layers of "common" views making them believe that their views are the truth.
With all the consequencies of that when something proves them wrong.

What happened now with Jesse Jane already happened with MANY stars some people labeled "dodgers" Jennifer White, Dani Daniels, Cherie Deville, Brandi Love, Nikki Benz, Kendra Lust and too many others to remember. I don't know whether Jesse continues this path like those mentioned did , nor if riley Steele will follow her , I'm saying that those haters have been proved wrong countless times.

I took them seriously only at the beginning even sharing some of their views, then I realized they were just organized haters

Edited by - LCF on 7/4/2019 1:03:42 AM


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You're calling them haters but they're literally just customers expressing their dislike of a product through the means provided for them. Whatever their intentions are, the last update was divisive and really shows that the fanbase for Blacked is a mixed crowd.

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I don't really see the point of you continuing to be so stubborn.

We know that the rating jumped majorly within a short period. I've just proven (despite you still saying otherwise ) that to leap from a 6.9 to an 8.6 you need to more than double the original number of votes, with exclusively 5 star ratings.

As for previous examples of big changes in ratings, it's much more credible that a 9.6 could drop to a 7.9 in a short period, since low ratings would have a greater impact on an average that high. For example, if that original 9.6 was the result of as many as 100 votes it'd require only 29 1-star ratings, or 44 2-star ratings to drop it that far. Far fewer than it would take to achieve the reverse.

Regardless, the context matters. We know that the ratings can fluctuate in the first 24 hours or so when the voting figures are low, but then they level out. It was 3 days before the rating suddenly jumped by almost 2 whole points to become the joint highest rated scene on the site this year, despite its rating having been consistently low (just either side of the 7.0 mark) from release until that point.

Can you explain why there would be a sudden rush of high ratings three days after release, when the low rating had remained steady previous to that? And bear in mind that it would have to be specifically 5-star ratings, since it would be impossible to bump it up to an 8.6 with anything lower.

Can you explain why these people rating the scene 5 stars wouldn't also rate the performer? Her personal rating actually went down during this same period.

And you would expect such an enthusiastic influx of 5-star ratings to see some additional comments made, but there weren't any.

Talking about haters and saying that the initial vote "wasn't real" is not a rational explanation for how this came about.

And for the record, the Jesse Jane scene was released on a Friday and was still sitting at a 6.9 rating on Sunday, so if the heaviest period of voting is over the weekends, as you suggested, then that makes it even stranger that the rating suddenly jumped that high on the Monday.

You could just say, yeah, that does seem kinda shady. Because it does.

But you're instead fixated on convincing us and yourself that that 6.9 rating was somehow illegitimate and proving the "haters" wrong, rather than simply acknowledge the suspicious and impractical nature of this sudden turnaround in the rating.

I couldn't care less about Jesse Jane or the politics of her situation or the "haters" or whatever. I just know when something looks dodgy as hell and I'm gonna call it when I see it.

Edited by - SM009 on 7/4/2019 8:53:40 AM

 
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you don't know how many voted you can't jump to any conclusion implying they rigged the ratings unless they are peculiarly idiotic to go rig the scene but not the performer.

"when the "overnight" take over happened? On a weekend? if so you have your answer


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It seems the total tally of votes is the key here - I just ranked her as an 8, her average went from 6.0 to 6.1 overall.

If we play this conservatively and assume that the same number of people voted for both the scene and model - approx how many votes were cast to have her average as a 6.0 when a single 8.0 brings her up to the 6.1?

Using that same number then, is it possible that there was no rigging or does that make a stronger case that there was?


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So you're suggesting that the number of ratings for Jesse Jane's long-awaited IR debut was particularly low over the first few days of release, for some reason? And then suddenly doubled overnight? That doesn't make things any less peculiar.

If your argument is that the scene was scarcely watched / rated upon release, then wouldn't such a lack of interest actually support the credibility of its original low rating? Rather than it being the most popular scene of the year, supposedly.

And you're suggesting that over Friday and Saturday and into Sunday only a small number of genuine viewers, plus a handful of "haters" bothered to rate the scene. But then sometime between Sunday night and Monday morning there was a sudden rush of exclusively 5-star ratings? Why would that be?

But, okay, let's imagine that a mere 50 ratings had been cast over Friday, Saturday and Sunday daytime. And the rating sat at 6.9.

Then from Sunday night to Monday morning there's a sudden influx of around 60 exclusively 5-star ratings, which takes us up to that magic 8.6 average. What happens then? Do the ratings just stop?

Because in that scenario it only takes another 10 5-star ratings to take the rating to 8.7, or 20 to take it to 8.8, or 30 to reach 8.9.

It's Thursday now and the rating is still 8.6. Why did it stop there? Did the "haters" just take Sunday night off and now they're back at work consistently offsetting any further high ratings?

I'm afraid the suggestion that the change could've occurred naturally because of a low volume of votes doesn't really hold up to scrutiny either.

And let's remember that a 6.9 rating doesn't necessarily require a bunch of "haters" rating it at 1-star. It's basically the bang average rating between a number of 3-star and 4-star ratings.

I think the scene just wasn't as well received as they hoped it'd be. Especially with it being the flagship IR scene for their 4th July sale. So they artificially bumped the rating up overnight for PR purposes, expecting nobody to notice or care. That's why they didn't bother with Jesse's model rating.

And the rating has remained pretty much level since then, as they usually do once the early rash of ratings levels off.

But the circumstances in which a 6.9 rating could've jumped to 8.6 overnight, 3 days after release, are somewhat far-fetched to trust that it happened organically.

Edited by - SM009 on 7/4/2019 12:30:23 PM

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Can I just say that I love all the math being discussed here. As a math geek it makes me truly happy. I love the example that showed how many votes it would take to get from one rating to the other.

The mod in me does feel like this is getting a bit done to death now though. I hope that when the next scene comes out we move the discussion along.

Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/4/2019 1:03:00 PM

 
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So it jumped after a Sunday evening and night , is that this unlikely that people saw it on a sunday night?

Let me guess you actually said that the vote fluctuates for 24 hours and then stabilizes , so the scene was released on a friday at 7:30 PM as usual plus 24 hours it makes Saturday at the same hour that leaves both Saturday night and the whole Sunday evening to be stabilizes as you happen to see the day after: a monday, this matches even your narrative.

 
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Understood that was my last on the subject

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You guys are still talking about the ratings??? Nobody cares, please give it a rest. Next update is a brunette with tan looking skin. Gianna Dior perhaps?

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^^

Lol. Way to de-contextualize everything I wrote and focus on one point that you think supports your argument and ignore everything that's inconvenient. That's called deflection.

I'm happy to leave it at that and move on too. I think people can see that there are valid questions about the sudden change in the rating and how it came about, which you have failed to address.

I'm looking forward to checking out the Ella Hughes scene. I see it's currently got an 8.5 rating a few hours since release. That'll probably go down a bit over the next couple of days.

But it's okay, because when everybody logs in at the weekend and starts giving it 5 stars it'll surely jump back up to a 9.6 or something.


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upcoming scene i think Gianna Dior with Luise ..

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It does look like Gianna.
 
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at the very bottom of this debate

You say they rigged the rates

I'm saying they didn't

nothing you said support your statements as far as I can see, you don't know how many voters did actually vote nor when they voted nor the curve of agreements or disagreement of such votes.

to many unknown factors aside the sheer numbers of the total of the voters and I just said is not impossible especially because it never even occurred to anybody the delay due to the rotation of Earth with all the customers around the world who vote at a very different time compared to the USA so the volatility of the rates would extemd for more than 24 hours , for example I live in Europe (CET) 4 hours forward your East Coast Time


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Let this upcomer actually be Gianna Dior and we will really have something to talk about.

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It's definitely Gianna, but I'm disappointed because this scene has rimming... Which I can't stand and wish they would leave that shit on BlackedRaw... Not trying to see man ass

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LCF continues to cheerlead while it’s so obvious the rigged the ratings.. why would the models rating be sooo different from the scene rating when she’s done only one scene with then?

Anyways, looking forward to the next Gianna scene!

CANT WAIT TO WATCH SOME OF THAT RIMMING!! EVERY PORN SCENE SHOULD HAVE IT!!

 
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How is people liked her in her scene and disliked her as a performer?
If they rigged the rates they would have rigged her personal rates too , but those stayed low. Odd.

Those booing loudly are few, even less than I thought apparently

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In my case I like her as a performer most of all as I always liked her, I didn't like that scene in particular bcs all the rest wasn't at her level in my opinion tbh, for a girl as active/intense as Jesse you need a dude as active/intense as Prince Yahshua for example...
In her debut scene for Brazzers you find that: an actor who is at the height of Jesse's passion, where the situation is reciprocal, is not only a part taking everything forward ...
Edited by - Lulubell on 7/5/2019 3:53:03 PM

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The rated both her and her scene low. Then they rigged the scene rate higher. Plain and simple.

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That's cuz they rigged her scene ratings because it's a part of their promo..... They did a poor job covering their tracks... And now also Non members can no longer view the performers rating...

I didn't like the scene, but that's not because I didn't like Jesse Jane...[mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT smartbuydisc.ru etiquette, 4th paragraph.] This was a stepback for BLACKED and hopefully it doesn't become a trend.

Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/5/2019 7:48:24 PM


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And this because they are... dumb? Naive?
 
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Actually here nobody gave any piece of evidence that they rigged anything aside that since the rating don't match they judgment , it HAS to be rigged.

Even the simple fact that her own personal rates stayed low was proof they didn't, and especially that it's not a promo, what kind of promo would that be, the best scene with the worst performer'

I think not even a drunken fool going to rig the ratings would have left HER OWN ratings low


Also , the new strategy to push her out of business , because make no mistakes the IR obsessed troops are trying to do exactly so , passed from personal attacks toward her persona to attacks toward the company and the funny thing about this is the most of those not only aren't even actual customers , but never have been also .
More than that they didn't even ever had a membership to any of the Lansky sites nor surfed the main page of any of them ever in history.

I mean "do I have to be a member to see the rates"?

Really?

Also "hopefully it doesn't become a trend" Means?

You don't want to see for example the likely next one Riley Steele on Blacked?

Edited by - LCF on 7/6/2019 3:03:40 AM

 
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Should have been with Jax

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I'm looking forward to the new scene because it's Gianna, but I'm getting tired of seeing Louis Smalls and Jason Luv on every scene. They are solid performers, but not enough to justify that many scenes.

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^ They fired louie Smalls. Louie has a number of unreleased blacked scenes. He was the best they had in my opinion. It will be the luv, jax, piper show for now on like it was before louie which I am not interested in. Jax is the most overused dude in porn besides Isiah maxwell. Hes everywhere. They need to start a new male talent search.

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While I'm glad to see Louie gone, the newest guy they picked up needs some serious work.

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^^ Do you know why he was fired?

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Heard louie was harassing other porn girls on Twitter.

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^ This.

Louie needs some coaching on social media interactions, didn't do himself any favors.




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