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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 5:09PM
Good lord. This is simply irreparable anal annihilation.


She's not even some sort of unassailable genius or particularly brilliant, and yet she left Lieu and Nadler looking like utterly incompetent and complete fools wasting the world's time. Hilarious.


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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 5:25PM
It's like you're watching an entirely different clip. She pulls out the race card when this had absolutely nothing to do with race. She actually thinks Lieu criticizing her is evidence that he thinks black people are stupid? What kind of fucking broken-brain shit logic is that?

"Anal annhilation"? What a joke.

What a stupid, vile woman. She is the prime example of a "useful idiot".

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I would like to see more honest thread titles.

The internet is so full of hyperbole, lies, and clickbait.

 
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 5:45PM
"Wasting the world's time"?? For one, I don't think the entire world was focused on this, and two it was a hearing about the dangers of White Nationalism.

I'm sorry if you think that's a waste of time. It is somewhat important to me.

Owens used her opening statement to declare that the Southern Strategy — Richard Nixon’s use of racial fears to win over Southern whites long loyal to Democrats — was a “myth” that “never happened.” That notion is popular among some conservatives, but it is not shared by mainstream historians.

Sitting next to Owens was Mort Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America, the one other witness invited by Republicans. A close supporter of President Trump, Klein described the murderer of 50 people at a New Zealand mosque as a “a left-wing self-described ‘eco-fascist’ who also published a manifesto praising Communist China as ‘the nation with the closest political and social values to my own.’”

The shooter was, in fact, a white nationalist who has sympathized with Trump’s restrictive views on immigration.

Under prodding from Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, Klein also said media had “completely distorted the truth” of Trump’s infamous comment about there being “very fine people” among the white nationalists who gathered for a rally in Charlottesville, Va., in the summer of 2017. Three people died in the ensuing violence.


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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:16PM
The whole premise of this hearing, some might call a "witch hunt" - (and who could be surprised by yet another one at this point?), was about race... I think she has a right to push back.

Let's not be ignorant of the fact that the perpetrators of the most heinous racism of the last century were white and Asian. And today we witness 2 corpulent, lazy, white and Asian career politicians attempting to lecture a young black woman about racism. The lack of awareness at this point is simply baffling and for once could give Root Mag and Jezebel enough substance to peddle indignation for years to come, if they were actually consistent and not political hacks.

It would not matter if Candace was 100% wrong and the congressman happened to be 100% right. You already know how this is going to play out and it's just embarrassing that they set themselves up like this. What amateurs. The entire world wide web is now celebrating this "strong young female POC" for telling these overfed, morbidly obese, intellectually dishonest, and not least of all "PROBABLY RACIST" /wokespeak, career politicians to shove it.

Lieu brought a butterknife to a gunfight and ended up a casualty with Nadler taking collateral damage. That poor clown chairman couldn't even keep up enough to retain a simple statement made just a few seconds before he butchered its entire meaning. This video clip has Lieu spinning faster than a dreidel in a tornado to pretend this was some sort of a win, when Candace is currently tracking at about 3x as many views and likes, and the ratio against the congressman has only started. By tomorrow she will probably have generated 5x as much approval off this exchange.

Make no mistake, there is absolutely nothing even the most powerful and influential right wing figures can do with all their efforts combined in order to gain more political capital than what Lieu and Nadler just gave them gift-wrapped. Once rare moments like these have become an embarrassment of riches for conservatives.

It's long since been established all you need is a POC, especially a young female for extra points, to "clap back" at some overfed, privileged bureaucratic muckety mucks in Congress and she will win by default regardless of substance, regardless of facts, regardless of whomever's "truth", regardless of right and wrong.
It just so happens to help in this case that she had a modicum of substance, which was already a modicum more than she needed to acquit herself. How insane do you think you would sound hunting witches like "hu-white supremacists" by dressing down a savvy black female, telling her she's a "useful idiot" of Nazis when she's working for and allied with countless Jewish people? Especially in the immediate wake of the most disappointing political theater most now perceive to have been defrauding the public and artificially tearing the country apart for 2 and a half years?

I'm sorry if you don't like ID politics you should not dedicate your career to shoving them down the throats of your opposition. This is why the Left is dying. They've learned nothing since 2016, which was the most colossal political humiliation in living memory.

71% of the electorate is women and minorities. 90% of the MSM and establishment were on Hillary's side. Even the god damn Bush family endorsed Hillary. 99% of the Dem's message is identity politics. "They are racist, sexist, Islamophobic - while WE are the holy heroes."

One more "deplorables" rant later, and Hillary committed political seppuku.

Learn from your mistakes. Evidently Lieu hasn't.

As a liberal who has had enough of these embarrassing excuses for representatives, you could say I feel some type of way about this. Oh yeah Owens has a right to push back. After that look of traumatic humiliation on Lieu's chubby face, I can't get the image of Candace breaking him in with a Mandingo sized strap-on out of my head. It doesn't matter whether that's what happened. That's all that will remembered.


Edited by - melvyn on 4/9/2019 6:21:10 PM

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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:16PM
Wasn't she the one who said that Hitler was fine until he started acting outside of Germany? If so, as I previously noted in another thread, the descendants of the Jewish Germans murdered by Adolf Hitler would like a word.
 
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:20PM
No offense, one has the right to post what they want, but this thread is indicative of Standard Operation Procedure for Fox and Talk Radio: Diversion, diversion, diversion.

The Orange Goblin is dismantling government left and right every day; he's telling ICE agents to break the law, he's shutting down the department that investigates Domestic Terrorism even as he simultaneously encourages violence against media outlets; he let a motherfucking spy into his Southern White House; his AG is feverishly redacting everything in the Mueller Report other than words like "we", "the", "and" and "or"; his "tax reform" increased the size of the deficit; he defying orders to turn over his tax returns; he's doing NOTHING to protect Election 2020 from Russian tampering; Just about every single fucking person in the administration has "acting" in front of their title; he is overriding denials of security clearances including for his son-in-law; and oh, yes, we're STILL keeping children in cages.

We're moving towards a Fascistic Banana Republic/Monarchy at about 120mph, but yes, by all means, let's fucking focus on Candace Owens. Mother FUCK.

 
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:23PM
If by the "entire world wide web" you mean everyone at Fox News, then, OK, sure.

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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:35PM
That is sadly, embarrassingly what this ridiculous hearing is about.

And I bet people here still believe the "fine people" hoax... just like the "animals" hoax. It's always lies. And it could not be more obvious.

This whole thing is just pitiful. Just because you are on the left does not mean you have to be mentally impaired. I resent all of these mentally impaired hucksters representing the left and pretending they don't understand nuance. The problem is, there's virtually no one left on the left who does not succumb to this kind of high EQ v low IQ hysteria. Emotions remain high, while intelligence remains low. This is a dangerous combination.

Lieu is trying to continue defrauding the public with this dishonest and manipulative propaganda. Trump/Russia didn't bear the fruit they had hoped, so now it's back to Trump=Hitler. The same thing they said of Bush and Reagan. It's cliche at this point. Let's not forget Obama was as bad if not worse than Bush. But you don't have to take my word for it. Go ask Chomsky.

But go ahead and keep proving Godwin's law, then wondering why you lose in 2020 but don't say I didn't warn you. Nothing but good can come from my advice. Nothing but bad comes to those who ignore it. They ignored me in 2016, and then they ended up with Trump.

Keep ignoring the common sense I'm sharing at your own peril.


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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:38PM
No offense taken because...

you're wrong again. I've been criticizing Fox since before you knew the meaning of the word propaganda. Get on my level or prepare to be humbled again in 2020.

 
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 6:39PM
Calm down. While Trump is certainly a bull in a china shop, he is dependent upon the support of Republicans in the Congress. That support is not going to extend to their giving up their own power. Furthermore, I see no evidence that our military leaders are prepared to violate their oaths to defend the Constitution.

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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 7:23PM
But you're making too much sense, trying to be reasonable. How dare you? What we need is MORE hysteria, not less. Remember how well it worked in 2016? Oh, wait...

Meanwhile, our politics at the highest level has finally embodied this classic meme:
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 7:32PM
You have some evidence of that, yes?
 
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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 9:03PM
Really? "The entire world wide web..."? Let's see...






As to your comment about Nadler and Lieu's weight ("corpulent...overfed...morbidly obese"), I was certainly puzzled why you said this, because I've never thought Lieu was overweight, and Nadler looked overweight, but not that bad. So here's what I found:

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Ted is not overweight.

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Nadler was morbidly obese at one time, but apparently, he's had surgery and worked hard to lose a lot of weight. Seems pretty cruel to insult someone about their weight when they're working hard to improve the situation.


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Posted - Apr 9 2019 : 11:42PM
Macko, you're showing your age. Try and figure Twitter out a little better. "#Candace" is the top trending hashtag right now with over 500,000 mentions. I dare you to click on that hashtag and give an honest and representative summary of what you see happening in there.

90% of the mentions are glowing, radiant heaps of praise on Candace.

What you have done is cherry-pick a few sour grapes. Lieu was trending earlier in the day, with about 30k mentions. Good for him. 30k is not bad for a less known politician. But 30,000 is not quite as impressive as 500,000.

And you cannot rewrite history.

All the attention Lieu got was from his attempt to grill Candace Owens by playing a short clip of her out of context, before 99% of these people impressed by his moment in the sun got to see her response.

The most viral video right now on this topic is the one I put in the original post, shared by C-SPAN, with almost 3 million views, in which Candace shuts down the chairman Nadler and congressman Lieu. The replies are overwhelmingly supportive of Candace. Anyone can go see for themselves.

She won. Just take the L and move on.


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Posted - Apr 10 2019 : 12:04AM
But if you want to cherry-pick a pitiful handful of oppositional "hot takes", we can easily best each one you selected by others with 5 times as many supporting her.

37,000 likes on this one:


56,000 likes on this one:











Keeping them honest, exposing more lies:



The bad faith by the chair and congressman Lieu could not be any more evident. He literally shrugs with indifference when she points out his plain as day delusion. The ONLY people who think Lieu prevailed here never saw the response. Meanwhile everyone who saw the response to Lieu's attempt to indict her know she knocked him out. And let's not dismiss words from the subject in question:


71,000 likes from the horse's mouth. The only ratios happening on this issue are against her attackers.


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Posted - Apr 10 2019 : 12:53AM
I didn't realize this was a contest. ("...take the L..."? Do you think we're playing X-Box or something? ) So Lieu plays a tape of Owens who said this:
That's funny, I thought the problem was all the Jews he was killing.

Then because Lieu played the tape of what she said, she responds by saying Lieu thinks black people are stupid. So is this the game we're going to play from now on? If someone from a certain race receives criticism they don't like, then we can assume that the critic thinks everyone of that race is stupid? I'd really hate for us to get to that point, but Owens seems ok with it.

I watched Candace Owens, and I know the context of what she said. Lieu didn't have to say a thing, really. Her quote said all we need to know. She's a horrible person. A liar. An abject fool being used by the GOP. She knows next to nothing about history. But she has her supporters - such as the guy who brutally murdered 50 innocent Muslims in New Zealand. And you.


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Posted - Apr 10 2019 : 1:01AM
Evidence of what? The proof was in evidence the moment these statements were made. They were readily debunked within seconds. I highly recommend you follow Scott Adams, one of the extremely slim fraction of 1% of talking heads who went on record predicting Trump would win in 2016.

Although I did not need these hoaxes to be debunked, since I saw the truth immediately, Scott has done well for the last year or so in setting the record straight. BTW, he's not some far right winger. He supports universal healthcare, supports free college, he's open to talks about reparations. He invites all sorts of productive dialogue about progressive ideas.

But because he's not delusional, people have a tendency to kneejerk and misrepresent him as some neo-Nazi. It's absurd.

Where do you want to start? Let's start with the Charlottesville "fine people" hoax:





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Posted - Apr 10 2019 : 1:38AM
You need to realize that you are doing exactly what that NZ terrorist wanted. This willful ignorance is playing into what he wants. This was evident weeks ago. Candace no more inspired him than did Spyro the Dragon, who he claims taught him ethno-nationalism.
The shooter also cited PewdiePie. Don't tell me you think Pewds is a nefarious white supremacist too?
Did you even read that manifesto? Referencing pop icons and influential demagogues is all he had to do, regardless of their orientation, and people would erupt into hysteria and attack those people. He wanted this irrational fear to spread and exacerbate restrictions on liberties to spark more revolts. He promoted accelerationism.
When asked if he was a conservative, he said flat-out "No. I want no part of it."

At this point, I think you owe it to yourself to check out this useful and rational analysis of the NZ massacre:
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The best thing you could do is not take the bait, and remember how fruitless Anders Behring Breivik's attempt to spark a worldwide revolution was 8 years ago. What he and the NZ shooter have in common is a psychotic delusion.

But you're taking the bait, and sadly many more are as well. Anyone who is honest or objective should be willing to admit that Candace had no more responsibility for that NZ massacre you're all too happy to hold against her than Bernie Sanders has for the lunatic who shot up that congressional ballgame.
To reiterate, instead of taking the bait and irrationally demonizing people who you should know good and well have never advocated for harming innocent civilians, and allowing your hysteria to metastasize to critical mass, it would be better to engage with people in good faith and dispute the merits of positions on a matter. Misrepresenting people to be advocates of Hitler is beyond the pale. It is the definition of intellectual dishonesty. For this, congressman Lieu should be ashamed. He knew what he was doing was dishonest. He knew Owens does not "support Hitler" as an "okay guy" the way you are witnessing countless kneejerking pundits are now misconstruing her words. She plainly and openly condemned the atrocities of Hitler and his war machine. In proper context, her point was simply a defense of nationalism, not BECAUSE of what Hitler did, but despite his ultimate corruption. She didn't pull Hitler out of the blue to say "Well if it was good enough for him, it's good enough for me." She was confronted with pedantry about nationalism being inherently bad because Hitler was a nationalist. This is an embarrassing oversimplification. So her whole point was that while Hitler was a nationalist, his authoritarian overreach went far beyond national interest.

Just as Ezra Klein, a far left demagogue, had written pieces in which he commended aspects of the Nazi party, Candace was refusing to allow a pedantic canard slime the entire principle of nationalism. Socialists have had to do the same thing with the Nazis. Just because the Nazis originated as a socialist party and are a tragic example of both ultimate self-destructive corruption and unchecked belligerence against countless innocent neighbors, this does not mean all socialist roads lead to Holocaust.

Try and imagine your typical Bernie-Bro surrogate being grilled for the shooting of Steve Scalise. "Well look here, we have you quoting Karl Marx! Don't you know communism killed 100 million people, 4 times as many as Nazi fascism, and more than all other ideologies combined during the past century?"
This is absurdly unfair and dishonest, and I'm sure you realize that. So why apply this unfair standard to Candace? Need I remind you I'm not a big fan of hers? I know she's being used. Many suspect she's just a grifter. That may well be the case. She's not a Holocaust supporter.

I don't care if Owens is a puppet of the GOP. I've graduated beyond partisanship ages ago. The GOP is trash, salvaged only by the Dem's incompetence and corruption. The Republicans have their puppets, and the Democrats have their own useful idiots.

What I enjoy is seeing useless and hysterical bureaucrats getting humiliated. Nadler and Lieu are not just useless, they are embarrassing. And you don't have to be a conservative to feel this way. In fact, who Nadler and Lieu are most embarrassing for is liberals. These hacks are illiberal.

Edited by - melvyn on 4/10/2019 1:50:24 AM


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Posted - Apr 10 2019 : 2:40AM
Here we see congressman Lieu trying to defend the indefensible reductio ad Hitlerum and getting ratio'd to kingdom come for it:


Another embarrassing but well deserved ratio for a politician warped by peddling notions of "hate speech"


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Posted - Apr 11 2019 : 2:23AM
Despite Owens plainly and lucidly explaining for the umpteenth time the proper context in which she was defending nationalism, Newsweek had this sub-room-temperature IQ level headline to offer, and immediately got ratio'd for it.

At this point you have to wonder if legacy media actually want Trump to win again because it's dishonest and malicious smears exactly like this one that will give 2020 to Trump.


Newsweek gambled and got about 300 people to like their story, with another +1,500 slamming them for this transparent misrepresentation. Great job.

Meanwhile, the original video I posted is at over 5 million views. Owens is tracking about 5x as much approval as Lieu, just as I predicted. While those opposing her are regularly getting ratio'd.


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Posted - Apr 11 2019 : 2:59AM
Look at what happens when you are as dishonest as Newsweek:


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90% of the response is burying Newsweek.

For those who still need help comprehending the fundamental, rudimentary lesson here it is as simple as this:

nationalism =/= ethno-nationalism

"Owens supports nationalism. OMG!"
"So does Bernie Sanders."

This is not an incendiary, provocative, or even slightly controversial position. Just because dishonest traffickers or propaganda want to use Hitler as the standard "nationalist" does not mean all nationalists are Hitlerian. It's truly a pitiful sign of the times that people need to have it explained to them that Hitler was an ethno-nationalist and an imperialist.

To reduce Hitler to merely a nationalist is to indict 99.99% of the world at current.

Fellow liberals, if you know someone suffering Trump Derangement Syndrome, which Chelsea Handler recently openly admitted was her mentally incapacitating condition, you need to help them. Remind them that not everyone they disagree with is Hitler. Not everyone is a Nazi.

It's ok to punch Nazis, and everyone I disagree with is a Nazi, therefore it's ok to punch everyone I disagree with... that's why we have video compilations showing dozens of harassed, battered, and bloody MAGA citizens. It's more than intolerable. It's political suicide.

Never forget that in the 2016 presidential campaign, only 1 candidate had to cancel a major rally due to rampant violence brought on by protestors in which police were bloodied. It wasn't Hillary. Hillary and her supporters never had to endure this degree of intolerance, and open belligerence. It was Trump who had to cancel a Chicago rally out of security concerns.

And people STILL don't realize the left have become the very monsters they purport to oppose.


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Posted - Apr 11 2019 : 3:43AM
Trump calling white nationalists at Charlottesville "fine people" narrative debunked as a hoax.
Trump calling immigrants "animals" narrative roundly debunked as a hoax.
Trump inspiring MAGA thugs to assault Jussie Smollett debunked as a hoax.
Trump inspiring MAGA kids to harass black Hebrews and native Americans debunked as a hoax.

It just goes on and on and on...

Why aren't real injustices enough? Why do people have to fabricate stories?

Probably has something to do with the fact that 99.99% of the time someone is being wronged in America, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with these narratives.

There are over 10 million crimes per year in America. 99.99% of them have nothing to do with ideology, race, gender, or politics.
There are over 1 million violent crimes per year in America. 90% of them are intra-racial.

Out of all of these crimes less than 1/10th of 1% of 1% are so-called "hate crimes." That's <00.001%

And when you do ignore 99.99% of all crime to focus on the less than 1/10th of 1% of 1%, what you will find is still a lousy narrative which does not hold up after adjusting for demographic populations. On the contrary, you will find that on a per-capita basis, the reality is the exact opposite of the narrative.

So we live in a world where people have to fabricate stories for political capital. They are desperate. This is why they keep lying.
Steve Bannon was absolutely correct when he noted that as long as the left keeps pushing race and gender and all this other fake nonsense, it pushes the needle in Trumps favor.

This is why Trump will win again.

Unless you finally wake up now and start calling out the dishonesty.

 
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Posted - Apr 11 2019 : 4:13PM
And on top of that, most of the claims of "hatecrimes" are hoaxes.
Remember a couple of years ago the 100s of bomb threats called in to synagogues and jewish schools. One jew did all of them.
Additionally: anything that involves a noose is a hoax.
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Why do people have to fabricate numbers? Like below, for instance?
It's laughable to see someone throw out percentages that mean absolutely nothing. People who make up numbers in support of their beliefs have zero credibility.

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Posted - May 25 2019 : 8:29PM
I told you guys about Nadler. I don't wish harm or ill will toward any of these political hacks, no matter how detrimental they are for their own cause, no matter how much they undermine actual liberal values, but this odious and hatefully ignorant barnacle has repeatedly evidenced that he is unfit for office.

The aforementioned episode of grotesque political theater, ignorantly admonishing Owens was nothing other than a gold plated gift to Republicans. He continually behaves like a pig and reflects extremely poorly on his constituency.


Hardly his first health scare either.
But it's just catching up with him. The stress of all these mental gymnastics necessary to maintain such hypocrisy is killing him.

Anyone who believes in liberal values or purports to support progressive agenda ought heed what I've been saying for years now. Cut the dead weight. Quit making excuses for these mentally handicapped bureaucratic barnacles. Nadler and his misguided ilk are and have been killing the left for far too long. He doesn't need this job, unless he's been thoroughly irresponsible with his finances throughout his career. In which case, all the more reason bolster a vote of no confidence.


I hope Nadler recovers fully and can live out many more years in peace, but he has to do all that off the clock. Long past time for him to step down.


The left has gotten too soft. 8 years of Obama made the left lazy. They were far sharper under Bush, because they had a purpose (which they still betrayed, unsurprisingly, like Hillary supporting the war in Iraq).

Need more proof? Remember Hillary falling down on her campaign? She didn't even campaign as hard as Trump. She had far more money and support and STILL couldn't hack it.

Now we have Pelosi continuing to sputter and stammer. She's SPEAKER of the House and she cannot speak. You had one job! And I'm not talking about any "edited" video. It's regular with her.


Is Pelosi as damaged as Hillary had become in 2016 or Nadler currently? No. She can still stand and deliver. But the cracks have been showing, and I'm not talking about aesthetics. I'm talking about mental deterioration. "Walls are immoral" wasn't misspoken. It wasn't loose banter or hyperbole. A statement like that is as clear as it is clearly insane. It's no less insane than "legitimate rape." It's the level of insanity and stupidity that, when it comes from the right, you know you correctly label as the ramblings of a laughingstock. But you'll proudly defend it when it comes from the left...

These people are weak and this has become the theme since Obama took office. And they are the LEADERS of the left. The example they set could not be poorer. Worst of all, they aren't even liberal or progressive, not in any meaningful sense. So why keep propping them up? Why keep making excuses for them? They are destroying everything you think is important. It's not your opposition doing that. Your opposition only makes you stronger. Lazy anti-intellectual, incurious and flat out dishonest leaders on your own side are what's hurting the left.

This is the fundamental problem with the lazy left. They've spent far too much time calling out, without ever taking stock or keeping their own lunacy and literal retardation (read: slowing, i.e. reversing progress) in check, to the point where for over a decade it hasn't been "calling out" anymore but lashing out. There's been ZERO accountability.

We know this because Obama's and Hillary's legacy has ultimately proven to be just as bad for the world as Bush, their warmongering forebears. Obama and Hillary are war criminals responsible for the death and displacement of millions of people the world over. And the average Democrat or even just any person who identifies as left leaning never so much as batted an eye. Because the mainstream media adores and fawns all over them. These people are not even liberal, let alone progressive.

Maybe if the left just spent 1 minute out of the 8 years of Dems in the highest office of the land speaking out against the imperialist mission creep of Obama and Hillary they'd have a stronger leg to stand on, but instead it seems more like they have no leg to stand on at all.

You know who's been doing a good job correcting course lately though is Jimmy Dore. He's been lighting up Republicans for ages, certainly decades. He even was so misguided as to have partnered with The Young Turks some years ago. But the silver lining there was TYT is so fundamentally batshit and anti-intellectual and dishonest to the extreme that it became clear to Jimmy that there is a legitimate problem on the left, and it wasn't coming from the outside, but from within.

Check out his channel (curiously still named "TYTComedy") if you want some refreshingly objective criticism, which is legitimately on balance "calling in" about as much as "calling out" - something unheard of from any other major channels, especially among MSM.

^ This right here is the type of shit society needs, and no orientation needs it more than the left has needed it. It's many many years overdue. If Jimmy came to the light back when I was calling for people to wake up, in early 2016, there is no way the left would have been so blindsided as to utterly implode in the historic fashion that they did. You need to be honest with yourselves, or you become unmoored and that's how you get Hillary demonizing half the electorate as tantamount to Nazis, thereby committing political suicide.

Heed what I've been saying or you should expect Trump, or the likes of someone far worse -- and not rhetorically but legitimately -- to bury you again.


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Posted - May 25 2019 : 8:43PM
I've not "made up numbers." Study the data. If you have an issue about specifics, then you had better specify what your issue is. I stand by my assertions.

There's countless spread sheets of data provided and parsed by crime type, which I have examined year by year, made public by official DOJ resources, as well as voluntary NCVS data which is even more overwhelming, albeit not as vetted or empirical. I take in data from several sources of varying political bents across the whole spectrum, including from leftist agitators MotherJones and other liberal outlets like theGuardian.

If you have better information, present it. Your vague criticism is what's meaningless.


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Posted - May 25 2019 : 8:44PM
To bury everybody, really.

But this country is making a choice and will get what they deserve. They've had plenty of warning.


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Posted - May 25 2019 : 8:48PM
I would not say most. But it is becoming an increasingly significant plurality of politically exploitative frauds, and the so-called "leaders" of the left have no answers for it. Tragically, they are all too eager to credulously and breathlessly propagate even the most dubious and blatant of frauds for political gain.

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Posted - May 25 2019 : 9:13PM
Our gov spies on us. Our gov continues to sell wars to the public, exploiting the ignorance of both parties through the establishment media, all uncritically pushing imperialist agendas.

The most pernicious hoax was supposed journalistic credibility of "liberal" media, because they are responsible for selling out the people who were ostensibly most opposed to intervening in foreign affairs. We all knew conservative media was more hawkish. But in the end, the "liberal" media is more or less the same. There's almost nothing liberal about legacy media anywhere. Actually, the sickest thing is how popularizing fascism is specifically being trafficked through "liberal" media to target the imperialists' biggest opposition - namely those of us who see through the false flags.

They pander to the furthest left leaning by exploiting the emotions of the bleeding heart liberals, while distorting reality enough to persuade "liberals" that "fascism" to not support fascism. They've convinced the far left to believe their feelings matter enough to implement the closest thing to fascism we can achieve. Look what they've done with co-opting Antifa. Supposed "anti-fascists" have made fascism en vogue.

And on the right they're doing the same thing. They target the right who naturally oppose governmental oversight of speech to the point conservatives are calling for gov to step in and regulate social media.

It's the same game it has always been. Both parties have leaders in the establishment working to achieve ends which are diametrically opposed to the public.

It is controlled opposition for both camps, so no matter who wins in this rigged system,

It's the same exact thing we do with other nations and have been since we became a global superpower. We did this selling weapons to both Iran and Iraq to escalate their 8 year war of attrition. Obviously this would never have been US policy without contingencies for either side winning. Bankrupting Iraq spurred Saddam to take Kuwait, giving us purchase to direct middle-East intervention.

"But teh Russia meddled in 2016!"

Yeah. And?

One "and" is they meddled in 2012. And they meddled in 2008. And they meddled in 2004. They meddle in every election, including midterms. And they know as well as we do that the best bet is placed on both sides, so the outcome doesn't matter, as either way they have leverage.

It's not as if Russia only came into existence with the ascent of Trump.

MOST OF ALL, we meddle in everything they do. And we brag about it publicly.

Only folks born yesterday could believe pointing out Russian interference supports one party's agenda of grievance over the other. Chomsky's been pointing this out for ages. One major consequence of Russia's meddling was the election of Barack Obama. They walked all over this stooge.

I've rarely seen Chomsky so visibly annoyed as he is here, at even the mere suggestion of interference itself.

"Farcical"

And there is very good reason for this annoyance. The fact that this question even comes up is an insult to Chomsky's body of work going back over half a century.

It's not that he believes Trump is clean - far from it. He concludes there are plenty of reasons to criticize Trump, but this isn't one. It's that the accusation of collusion is so remedial that it pales in comparison to what Chomsky has been exposing for decades.

So surreal these revelations now seem. For me, the only legitimate concern about Trump was potential "kompromat" with Russia, while practically everything else was just a bunch of nonsense, e.g. racism, sexism, Islamophobia, etc, the predictable nonsense per the dominant, typical narratives in mainstream/legacy media.

Interviewer puts the issue of potential quid pro quo between Trump and the Kremlin...

Chomsky: [Quid pro quo] of what? Of what? The quid pro quo is that he's increased military action on the Russian border, he's created a huge expansion of the military budget aimed at Russia, he's pulled out of the INF Treaty, which is a major threat to Russia -- what's the quid pro quo?

Edited by - melvyn on 5/25/2019 9:17:59 PM

 
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Posted - Jul 19 2019 : 4:26AM
Dude get a grip. There's world outside. Go get a coffee or something.



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