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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 1:34AM
Wow, this makes Altamont seem like a walk in the park. I mean, at least the Stones played.

Let me just say this: If I had $250K at my disposal, I would NOT spend it on some "luxury festival in the Bahamas". I'd rent a local theater and hire one or two of my favorite bands to come play in person.
And also this...on what planet is "swimming with pigs" something that is actually considered recreational?
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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 2:10AM
The two links look the same.
I also saw this />Interesting that artists expect to be paid prior to the event. (Probably been screwed over too many times in the past.)
 
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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 11:00AM
Thanks SS, I changed it -- after some difficulty; (Server work going on?)
A- and B-level acts often get paid at least a percentage of their fee and expenses in advance for festivals.
Example: Details are still murky, but Beyonce reportedly got paid in full for Coachella even though she cancelled her performance. Insurance/bond companies probably come into play in that instance, but still.

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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 1:14PM
I would take a fraction of the money fly to the UK, and ride my bike all over the isle checking out the countryside and old architecture.
You can have hot weather, and crowds.
I was a diehard Stones fan growing up, but never saw them, or many concerts. To many damn people!
Altamont was nothing like this.
By the way, I have a few thousand albums. Why do I need to attend a festival?

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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 10:51PM
^^ Interesting question. I assume it's only really top level acts that are able to demand to be paid upfront; lower level acts just have to accept the gigs, and then hope they'll be paid.
On a related point to the business-supplier relationship, guess who said this?
"Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely,”
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Posted - Apr 29 2017 : 11:28PM
^How many guesses do I get?? I might need ten or fifteen.
But as to shows, it's not like it was back in the day. To be sure, back in the days artists -- especially black artists who could be easily intimidated -- often got stiffed or ripped off.
But for a lot of reasons, most promoters nowadays, big or small do not welch on pay.
Live Nation dominates much of the concert biz and while concert-goers often feel shafted by them and Ticketmaster, artists themselves generally have nothing bad to say about them.
Most festival promoters operate above board. Summer festivals are a big business now; you don't want to gain a reputation for being dishonest. Note: I see these guys associated with Fyre said "next year we'll get it right" Very doubtful there will be a "Next Year" for them.
Most club owners also are reputable. Social media comes into play here. If word gets out around town that your establishment welches on deals, it'll get around very quickly nowadays. Sure, a lot of up and coming bands hardly make anything when playing clubs, that's always been true, but that usually is part and parcel of the deal, not necessarily a dishonest club owner.
 
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Posted - Apr 30 2017 : 3:12AM
I've worked in production and you never pay an artist the full amount up front. A deposit wired upon signing a contract is standard. Then pay after the performance. Old school and many black artists often demand their money in cash before they will hit the stage to play.
 
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Posted - Jul 2 2017 : 12:51AM
Festival Bubble is finally bursting. Can't believe they convinced so many supposedly poor millenials to part with upwards of $500 just so they could party and get drunk/stoned with their buddies. That's a summers' worth of shows, drink and drugs.

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Posted - Jul 2 2017 : 1:37AM
^^ Up to 20 years jail for putting on a misrepresented show?
^ I think this show was about hobnobbing with A listers.
Funilly, i read one of the lawsuits from the non-A listers is that the organisers actually contacted celebrities and advised them not to attend.
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Posted - Jul 2 2017 : 7:49PM
The 20 years would be for Wire Fraud. Allegations of using federally regulated messaging chains (The Post Office, Western Union, etc) is a big crime. Of course, like it mentions above, he's probably not going to do any real time. The people who get slammed for this usually have years-long, ongoing crime schemes in effect.
They will probably look at McFarland and be like "Man you are one stupid SOB. We almost feel sorry for you" and give him a $100K fine and probation.
 
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"While on pretrial release over the Fyre Media scheme, McFarland targeted attendees of the disastrous Fyre Festival to purchase tickets to exclusive events that didn’t actually exist, including tickets to the 2018 Met Gala, according to the complaint.
McFarland used a spreadsheet identifying the Fyre Festival attendees with the highest salaries, the feds said."
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Posted - Jun 13 2018 : 11:01AM
OOOH OK.... now they really might throw the book at him. A shelf full, really.
 
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Posted - Jul 26 2018 : 9:59PM
He's pleading guilty to the fraud charges.
SEC says they'll settle with him on other, separate charges.
 
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"The world is gearing all the way up for the brand spankin’ new Fyre Festival documentary that’s coming to Netflix next week, and now we have another trailer to sink our teeth into"
 
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I watched the hulu doc last night. It gave me palpitations and a stomach ache. Highly recommended.

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Posted - Jan 16 2019 : 7:50AM
^ Was it a scam from the start, did it become that, or did it just get of hand?
Also, wouldn't most people have paid by credit card, so they would've been able to claim a chargeback?
 
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Netflix and Hulu are rolling out competing docs on the same scammer festival, and millennials have a ‘Deep Impact’ vs. ‘Armageddon’ to call their own. But is one film more ethical than the other?

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Posted - Jan 21 2019 : 2:52AM

"the Bahamian locals, who worked for tens of thousands of hours without ever receiving their pay, the punchline isn't so funny."
"Maryann Rolle ... hired staff and worked around the clock to feed staff and attendees of the festival. But when the event was cancelled, she was never paid."
[...] "I had ten people working with me directly. They were just preparing food all day and all night, 24 hours. I had to pay all those people. I went through about $50,000 of my savings""
"If you thought the story of Fyre Festival was too far away, too far removed to appeal to you, this documentary will change your mind. It raises questions about capitalism, the power of influencers, and the ethics of working for a business, or a person, who isn't making decisions you agree with."

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Posted - Jan 21 2019 : 6:57AM
I really think it started with the best of intentions but after McFarland fraudulently secured investment capital and ignored advice about the costs and the difficulty of staging, feeding and accommodating guests, it got way out of hand.
I don't think it was a "classic scam" like Bernie Madoff but McFarland definitely showed traits of a scam artist by selling the venue as a private island when it was a small section of a populated island, using leftover hurricane relief tents instead of purpose built mini villas, etc. He didn't help himself by threatening whistleblowers with lawsuits and failing to insure the event was just foolhardy.
With all that said, I'm more inclined to lean toward calling it a scam as McFarland showed no remorse and had the arrogance to create a complete scam by selling Burning Man and Coachella tickets that didn't exist, while he was on bail.
I can't answer that but having the cash to afford something doesn't always mean you have good credit so I could definitely see some people paying by debit card. You've also got rich people who aren't aware of the advantages of paying for a product or service on their credit card over their debit card.

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Posted - Jan 21 2019 : 4:32PM
^ Thanks.
I saw this article today on Ja Rule's involvement.

It also had this
"over USD$100,000 has now been crowdfunded for Maryann Rolle, the caterer who wasn’t paid for her work at Fyre Festival, and who claims to have used USD$50,000 of her own savings to pay her staff during the event."

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Posted - Jan 21 2019 : 8:29PM
Ja Rule should stop running his mouth. If he was indeed a victim of McFarland, it sounds like he should count himself fortunate as he didn't seem to have lost out as much. He didn't ruin his credit rating by taking one for the time unlike the guy who ran up a 6 figure company expense on his personal credit card with little hope of paying it back. I do agree with him saying Hulu's money should have gone to the Bahamian people who put in so much time for unpaid labour.
I'm glad Maryann Rolle is getting so much support. It was only her and the Bahamians I felt truly bad for.

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Posted - Jan 22 2019 : 3:06PM
Yeah, they mentioned that on the Netflix version.
That should surely have been on Event Planning 101 even for a novice such as McFarland: When you have an idea of how many people you expect to attend, ensure you have enough security and sanitation facilities to handle a surplus.
Even from high school, one of the lasting things I remember from personal, social and health education is that before you build a property, you build the sewerage system system first.
I bet if Ja Rule read this, he'd still tell me I don't know shit.

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Posted - Jan 23 2019 : 6:00AM
^ With such outdoor events miles away from anywhere, you need to pay for bringing in sufficient: toilets and sanitation, security, shelter, food & water for staff. Often it is not actually financially profitable.

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Posted - Jan 23 2019 : 6:43PM
^ Absolutely. McFarland sealed his fate by failing to insure the event. He HAD to host Fyre Festival because it was the only way he had a remote chance of paying back his investors without having to take on more debt since he'd blown so much money on models and generally sexing up the festival. He knew he couldn't cancel or postpone, despite his colleagues advice, because he'd be screwed by not being able to pay back his investors since there was no insurance policy to cover him if circumstances beyond his control forced a cancellation or postponement.
For the times I've worked in media for events, liability insurance is non-negotiable. McFarland should be grateful that nobody was reported to have been seriously harmed or his lawsuits could have been even more painful as an uninsured event organizer.

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Posted - Jan 24 2019 : 3:04AM
A local events promoter claims it could have worked, but the scammer in him couldn't help himself.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2019 : 8:56AM
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Posted - Jan 24 2019 : 8:58AM
^^Not in the time frame he had in mind. It takes a year (minimum) of prep to put on a proper festival.

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Posted - Jan 24 2019 : 4:14PM
^^^ The link doesn't work for me.
I agree with Smiler Grogan. You would need to have control of almost the whole supply chain to organize catering, security, sanitation, accommodation, transport, logistics, staging and construction, etc. to have any remote chance of holding an event of that scale in a short space of time. I'm not even sure if state-level events with a short turnaround have that closed a supply chain. I would expect suppliers to have planned for at least the next 6 months to a year ahead so rounding up that many suppliers to cover thousands of customers in less than 3 months is wishful thinking at best, especially when you have to move people, food, materials and equipment overseas.

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Posted - Jan 25 2019 : 7:24AM
^ FB search Dan Delts (Fast Track Events).
He stated in order for it to work he would have to have postponed it 9-12mths. A bit of a discussion that the man was a con artist from the start.

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Posted - Jan 25 2019 : 2:23PM
I agree with the time frame. When Billy McFarland and Ja Rule came up with the idea at the end of 2016, they should have looked at 2018 to host it.
I don't think calling him a con artist is unfair. I do think he wanted to achieve something amazing but I don't think he ever cared how he got the funding, even if he had to lie and cheat to get it.

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Posted - Jan 29 2019 : 6:39AM

Interesting that when an entity goes bankrupt, authorities can actually go to party's that were paid and demand those funds be returned and then paid to creditors

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Posted - Jan 29 2019 : 2:34PM
^ I would hope that such suppliers insurance covers them for restitution they have to pay back if they're not convicted of a criminal offence.

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Posted - Jan 29 2019 : 4:03PM
^ I've never heard of that.
But in this case, it's individuals who promoted the event. (One of the celebrities didn't declare their promotion was a paid advertisment, so that's a separate issue.)

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Posted - Jan 29 2019 : 4:19PM
That's understandable. While they didn't commit a crime themselves, the money they earned is still dirty.

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Posted - Jan 30 2019 : 1:24AM
^ Actually, from the article
"...did not indicate she was being paid for the Instagram post, prompting a warning from the Federal Trade Commission about disclosure rules for sponsored posts on social media."

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Posted - Jan 30 2019 : 2:44AM
^ Sorry. I wasn't clear. I meant that they didn't commit a crime in terms of defrauding the investor. I know about the crime of not declaring a social media post is an ad as Zoella could have landed herself in prison for not doing so.

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Posted - Feb 9 2019 : 3:49PM

"The Herald understands police attempted to meet with festival organisers in the months leading up to the event and had no response.

"The information initially provided to police did not accurately reflect the number of expected attendees and revealed numerous breaches," a ... Police spokeswoman said.

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It is understood the breaches included inadequate medical supplies and sub-standard planning and preparation."


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Oh no.... From the Netflix doc, it seemed like he wasn’t really involved once the promo vids were done, so he’s probably right. But still .


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Good thing.

 
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^
Hold the phone!

Well OK then. It's still anyone's guess as to which performers will show up.

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