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Posted - Jul 28 2013 : 10:37PM
And this is what's going to be so interesting about the NSA thing.
Republicans screamed about National Security solid after 9/11. They approved the Patriot act without a second thought.
But now...there's a split on it and candidates for the WH have to figure out how to finesse it to one side without infuriating the other. This is one subject where guys from the Northeast (i.e., Christie, King) are definitely going to be at odds with their libertarian brethren.

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I could write reams about the "defund or shut down" nonsense.
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Posted - Aug 27 2013 : 10:09PM
Several tea party groups are reportedly threatening to rebrand Obamacare as "Boehnercare" if House Speaker John Boehner does not back the conservative effort to defund the Affordable Care Act. And they may have taken their inspiration from radio host Mark Levin.
The Hill's Lara Seligman reports that Faith2Action and other tea party groups plan to stage a rally in front of Boehner's Ohio office Tuesday, vowing to start referring to the health care legislation as "Boehnercare" if he doesn’t join the more outspokenly conservative members of his party. The move could take some pressure away from President Obama and redirect it squarely at Speaker Boehner, who has mostly attempted to abstain from comments on the law’s implementation.
Levin was the first major voice to coin the term on his radio show last week.
"Rather than calling it Obamacare, we should call it Boehnercare," Levin told his audience.
"So I think I’m going to call it Boehnercare, if I can remember from time to time, certainly more often, because Boehner won’t even fight. Boehner -- he's just --is the word 'pathetic' appropriate?"

Faith2Action president Janet Porter agrees with Levin, telling The Washington Times, "If he funds it, he will own it."
Boehner has not yet offered his support to the conservative effort, which could include trying to shut down the government. While it seems unlikely that tea partiers will abandon the Obamacare label entirely, they are clearly trying to put more heat on the speaker.
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BTW: Mark Levin was doing a book signing near me in Tysons Corner. Admittedly, the line was out the door and around the corner. Mostly white men of course, but tons of them.

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Posted - Aug 28 2013 : 1:28AM
I've called the Speaker a weak, slightly ineffective, Speaker-in-name-only (I think Paul Ryan is the de facto Speaker when it comes to the legislative chess moves - Boehner doesn't act without Ryan's cover) but this is pathetic.
A band of self-important blusterers, two of which may or may not be building a donor list for a potential presidential campaign, has decided to pursue the least effective strategy and is calling everyone else out for realizing it's totally ineffective - to launch a full-on, tone deaf, policy-devoid, vapid sloganeering political campaign against other Republicans.
Back to you, Senator Flake: "Oh, whatever."
There was a time when I would say "swallow it and throw Ted Cruz his bone" but the pathetic way in which the shutdown caucus is focused solely on razzing other Republicans has lead me toward "go fuck yourself, Ted Cruz and co."
"If you fund it, you own it" they say. But Barack Obama actually does own it. Mark Pryor, the Democrat Senator from Arkansas owns it. Max Baucus owns what he calls a "train wreck" and that is why he'd rather retire to join his hundreds of staffers that have already landed on K Street than spend one second in a reelection fight owning this disaster of a law. Kay Hagan, Mary Landrieu, and Mark Begich totally own this law that knew was bad news to, and for, their constituents and supported the law for purely partisan political purposes. They own it. They must own it - every delay, every security failure, every change and sacrifice they've imposed on the populace.
You'd think a group with thousands of donors, including yours truly, like the Senate Conservatives Fund would be arming to the teeth to make them own it. But they're spending my money attacking Republicans. What the fuck?
This group used to ask its donors which candidates we wanted to support. So I could earmark $500 to Marco Rubio and tell the witch in Delaware to go back to her coven. They never asked me if I wanted to fund this shit. I don't.
I'm still, as always, fully supportive of an effort to take the government or the debt limit hostage in exchange for cuts in Obamacare and the rest of this overwrought federal monstrosity, maybe even delays, which, frankly, I think the administration would welcome in private. But this was a misstep in formulation that has become a, frankly, doomed campaign. You'd think a Suma Cum Laude Harvard Law Graduate (Cruz), a former Clerk to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (Lee), and former Speaker of the House of Florida (Rubio) would know better. Oh, exactly...they do.
They know Obamacare is composed of mostly mandatory spending. They know it would be fully funded in the event of a shutdown. They know 41 Senators could, but won't, shut down the government over it. They also know they can shout endlessly into the wind and money would fall from the sky for them. This is a con.
 
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Posted - Aug 28 2013 : 1:23PM

weird guy.jpgAnd then, did the Bevin campaign release The Gilbert.

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Posted - Aug 28 2013 : 3:01PM
There is an unlimited supply of wingnuts. Levin has been running his mouth on Fake News quite a bit lately.
I can't imagine how any Progressive lives in Virginia.
 
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Posted - Aug 28 2013 : 4:24PM
Actually in Northern Virginia its pretty sweet times right now. Thanks to this part of the state (which is part of the DC Metro Area, an incredibly Blue Voting Bloc) Virginia has been transformed from solid red to Purple-Blue in about an eight-year period. For a brief time we had a Democrat Governor and Two Dem Senators and the state went for Obama twice. Fairfax County (which holds 13.6% of the population of the state; is one of the wealthiest counties in the entire country) is represented by Dem Gerry Connolly.
On Election Night, I talked about the exit polls for Northern VA in the Senatorial election: The Northern Virginian counties went Democrat in a major way and this was largely the same way the vote turnout went for Obama.
This is the map for the 2012 Election for VA (courtesy of Politico):
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Not a LOT of Blue, but those parts that are are the most heavily populated: Richmond, Hampton Roads, Charlottesville, etc.
But yeah, Talk Radio does have a huge audience in these parts, and the people who listen to Levin, Limbaugh, etc are true believers. I overheard some people saying they drove 75-100 miles. They're dedicated. I see VA as an encapsulation of the nation as a whole. Conservatives are dedicated, and they're vocal, they're living and breathing "The Fight"* every day, but as far as voting goes, they're on the wrong side of demographics.
 
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Posted - Aug 31 2013 : 5:14PM
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]All in the Family: Liz Cheney says she's against gay marriage trying to score points in her flailing Senate primary campaign. Sister Mary Cheney strikes back.
I would gather that it's kinda always been like this for them...
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Liz: Oh looklooklook! That lady has a haircut like you! She's one too, isn't she? Isn't she?
Mary: >>sigh<<. Yes, Liz, I know her. She is a lesbian too.
Liz: AHA! Nailed it! NAILED IT!!!

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Posted - Aug 31 2013 : 5:45PM
That's kind of pathetic of Liz. One of the very few things I respect Dick Cheney for is that he was completely honest about his support for Mary and her rights. Liz won't win this with playing "safe", she needs to be an outsider. Even though Republican voters are likely to be against gay marriage, I doubt she will gain much in an internal fight by doing this. It would probably be better for her to stand firm on supporting her own family and contrast that with her Republican opponent. The perception of independence should trump towing the party line in a primary. I wonder what her strategists were thinking.

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Posted - Sep 4 2013 : 6:25AM
and the ...is now parting on the right...
This is sad, predictable, transparent politicization of national security/foreign policy if I've ever seen it. Or it's truly the ascendance of the neo-isolationist conservative movement. Either way, for hawks to maintain our hold over the GOP, steal the message, and stay the course.
It's time to end the hair-trigger hawkishness of the Bush Doctrine and adopt a smarter plan...so let's just bomb Syria
Or...let's stop tying ideology and politics to foreign policy. It's too easy. It's naive. It's cynical, hypocritical, and petty. But absent that, I stand by it.
#StandWithRand 2016:<brLet this new foreign policy try to emerge. If we have to adopt some of it, fine - it wouldn't be apocalyptic to abandon some of the Bush Doctrine. Let people see us evolve.
And then bomb the bastards.
Personally, I think the President and his team is owed due deference. If a politician or pundit's aim or instinct is to embarrass the President's administration, fund raise, or get some more TV time, ignore them. I greatly dislike everybody on that dais yesterday - Chuck Hagel, Martin Dempsey (Joint Chiefs of Staff), and John Kerry are the last people I'd ever want to see making American foreign policy decisions. But they are right and are sticking to the right position. Today, I cheer them on and urge Congress to join them.
The Tea Party probably can't win a vote to embarrass the President anyway. And the President needs the adults in the room, if they don't fundamentally disagree with the decision, to keep their traps shut and stand in line, vote their conscience, and bomb the bastards like they really want to.
Once again, so many want to have their cake and eat it too - let Obama take the needed and desired action while insisting to the highest heights that he should have come to Congress. So President Obama has given them a fork...
 
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Posted - Sep 5 2013 : 2:08AM

Hmmm....this will be interesting to watch....

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Posted - Sep 5 2013 : 2:41AM
Today's GOP have no one but themselves to blame for letting radical loons take over their party. I almost kinda feel sorry for them but then I turn on Fox News and any sympathy I may have had goes down the toilet.
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Posted - Sep 5 2013 : 2:56AM
^
"You gotta dance with them what brung ya."
 
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Rush Limbaugh: There’s an All-Out Assault Against Ted Cruz by the GOP Establishment
From The, uh,
RUSH LIMBAUGH: There’s an all-out effort now, an all-out assault on Ted Cruz and others like him. There is an all-out effort within the Republican Party, within the Republican establishment to deal with Ted Cruz and his attempted takeover of the Republican Party. On The NewsHour on Friday night on PBS, David Brooks, the supposed conservative columnist for the New York Times, warned that Ted Cruz and similar legislators’ rise to prominence threatens the traditional Republican Party.
Brooks insists that Ted Cruz’s motives are less about legislation and policy and more about the politics of undermining the Republican Party establishment. Brooks considers himself to be a ranking member of the Republican establishment. He says, 'You people are being fooled by Cruz. Cruz doesn’t really care about you and legislation and policy. He’s trying to undermine the Republican establishment.'
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RUSH LIMBAUGH: Can you believe this? What in the hell are they supposed to do, Mr. Brooks? This is what every one of you ought to be doing! Why do you call yourself a Republican if all you want to do is lay down and agree with Obama and the Democrats? Why don't you switch parties if it’s so much better over there? What in the world is he supposed to do? He was sent there to stop this. He was sent to Washington specifically to try to stop some of this! (side note: Uh, he was the Republican nominee from Texas. He was the default winner. Calm down, dude.)
The popular assumption, Mr. Brooks, among most Republican voters, is that's what the Republican Party at large is supposed to be doing right now! Yet here’s Brooks -- and by the way, he’s speaking for a lot of the Republican establishment when he says these things. 'Oh, my God, they’re trying to actually oppose this! They’re just trying to obstruct. They’re just trying to stop things. They’re not normal members of Congress. They’re not legislators.'
What the hell is a 'normal' Republican, Mr. Brooks, one that bends over and agrees whatever the Democrats want? Makes compromises? Gets along, goes along? What is a 'normal' Republican? I guess we know. So Ted Cruz is to be taken out and destroyed because he wants to stop this? I think the vast majority of the American people want Obamacare stopped, Mr. Brooks. The latest numbers from the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll: Only 12% of the American people think it’s gonna do 'em any good.
Seventy-eight percent, simple math, don’t want this, Mr. Brooks. So Cruz isn't a good legislator. He does not compromise what he believes. He doesn’t compromise his core beliefs or principles. He isn't normal. He’s just a malcontent. He’s really trying to get rid of the Republican Party. That’s what he’s really trying to do. Mr. Brooks, the Republican Party establishment needs to be undermined, if you are accurately portraying the mind-set of the Republican establishment.
It needs to be undermined!
It needs to be stopped!
There used to be things that Republicans stood for: free markets, capitalism, individual liberties, limited government. What happened to all that, Mr. Brooks? That’s what Cruz believes in, and millions of Americans still do, too. When did this happen? When did it happen that the Republican establishment decided that their primary objective is to throw in with the Democrats, throw in with Obama? When did that happen?

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Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 1:23AM
Rush Limbaugh knows he has to jump on the Tea Party bandwagon if he wants to stay in business. They represent the most radical wing of the GOP, so no matter how whacky and idiotic they project their ideals, Rush knows they have the money - and thus the support of his ground base.
 
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Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 1:31AM
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True. But he also sincerely hates Brooks, Kathleen Parker and any other moderate. He is one of the main reasons so many "RINOs" have been expelled in recent years.

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Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 1:35AM
SG, I wonder how Rush feels about that fugly right-wing harpy Jennifer Rubin? I bet even he has to hold his nose any time she pollutes the airwaves.
Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/18/2013 1:36:40 AM

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Posted - Sep 19 2013 : 10:43PM
It's been wonderful seeing all the Repugs in Congress in complete disarray regarding Obamacare. But what's even more hilarious is seeing Fox News try to spin it in their favor. Speaking of which, I wonder where Cody is?
Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/19/2013 10:48:41 PM

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Addicted to GTA.
I'm with Senator Flake, it's all just "oh, whatever." The loud minority is loud, and nothing more.
 
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Posted - Sep 20 2013 : 11:35AM
And yet, since he made that tweet, they've come closer to their goal of shutting down government.
And Dems come closer to their goal:
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Not exactly the way we would LIKE it, but we'll take it.

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Posted - Sep 20 2013 : 5:53PM
Here's something you won't see on Sean Hannity's show:

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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 3:49AM
From the surreal to the bizarre:

Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/21/2013 3:55:43 AM
 
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^ Thanks for that AZ;

Sometimes, not all the time but sometimes, when someone at Fox says "The American People" they're really saying "Our Viewers"

Edited by - sMILER gROGAN on 9/21/2013 4:02:30 AM
Edited by - sMILER gROGAN on 9/21/2013 4:03:36 AM

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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 3:53PM
SG, yes "The American people" are the key code words the GOP and Fox News use any time they spew their propaganda and misinformation when in reality they are talking only about themselves. They think they are fooling everyone but it just goes to show how truly full of shit they are.
Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/21/2013 3:55:50 PM

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Polls have got disapproval of Obamacare at above 50% so no, it's not just Fox News viewers that dislike/oppose Obamacare.

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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 6:25PM
Sorry Cody, but Fox News polls don't count.

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There's not a single poll that shows net approval of Obamacare, not one.

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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 6:45PM
Well Cody, Fox News talking points don't count either.

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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 7:56PM
From the ABC News/Wash Post poll...
"Do you feel that you personally do or do not have the information you need to understand what changes will occur as the new health care law takes effect?"
35% - do have
62% - do not have
2% - not sure
From the NBS News/WSJ poll...
"Now as you may know, Barack Obama's health care plan was passed by Congress and signed into law in 2010. How well do you think you understand this new health care law and how it will impact you? Do you understand this law very well, pretty well, only some, or not very well?"
10% - very well
20% - pretty well
35% - only some
34% - not very well
1% - unsure
When asking a group of uninformed/misinformed people about a specific topic, what credibility do the results have?
Edited by - rlankford on 9/21/2013 8:00:05 PM
 
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Posted - Sep 21 2013 : 8:43PM
Wonder what the "poll numbers" were on Medicare (and that was before it was passed)
Want to guess Medicare is regarded today (Cody and his minority cadre don't factor here)?

Have a good laugh...
 
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Well, Obamacare isn't Medicare. Medicare was government-run healthcare for a single "vulnerable" group, a politically popular one - seniors, and only seniors. Most didn't lose access to the largely nonexistent affordable senior health insurance plans of which they were more accustomed, and the only new burden was an increase in FICA.
Obamacare on the other hand, is "affordable health care" at a steep price. There are plenty of people that will lose, in some way or another, their health insurance, and thank God businesses are staying rational and ending plans that are no longer viable. There are plenty of people that won't get better health care coverage, even if it's taxpayer-subsidized. And, unlike Medicare, the undue burdens on struggling enterprises are indeed too much to bear as more and more people are realizing the new 30-hour full-time week is a direct incentive to downsize, stall, or cut hours, and again, thank God businesses are staying rational and doing just that.
Obamacare may well be a great program for millions of people, but for the rest, the sacrifices, the changes, the downgrades, the cut jobs and hours, not any of it was worth it.
No wonder the polls were against it. God willing, socialized health care will not only not get popular, but became a hated institution, indeed, unique to America. But it could happen. For a while or so - my generation can't seem to operate on a level that can recognize the foolishness of government-run health care.
You don't need to know shit about socialized health care to reason it's a bad idea for the majority. And for the rest, man, look, the Democrats didn't even try to sell an ounce of any of that - they were too busy assuring the satisfied masses that change, that "reform", specifically this reform would be good for them. Lying is more like it, as hardly any of those assurances are reality, so to hell with change. Sure we need reform, but Obamacare is a huge step in the entirely wrong direction.
 
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Posted - Sep 22 2013 : 9:07AM
Now, now, no need to start throwing your credentials around.
 
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While I'm not a fan of ObamaCare, this statement I can't agree with. I am all for a single payer universal health plan for all Americans. And having worked in the health care industry, I can tell you Cody, the average American would pay far less under a single payer system than they do under what we have now. Just think of the savings in advertising alone before we even get into processing fees and the like.
And before you jump too much on the word socialized, you do recognize that the military is socialized. The police force is socialized. Need I continue?

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Posted - Sep 22 2013 : 6:16PM

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Cody McGoober wrote:
Indded. In fact, in order to reason that it's a bad idea for the majority, it's a necessity to not know shit about it.
 
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^
This is called shitty reasoning,

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One of the provisions in the A.C.A. is that insurance companies now must spend a minimum of 80% of the premiums paid to them on healthcare for their customers.
Overhead for traditional Medicare is 1-2%, for Medicare Advantage, run through private insurance companies, it is 5-6%.
Back to the polls - one of the questions that is very rarely asked is for those like Flash, who oppose Obamacare, is why? Would you like to see the bill be a stronger one? Or single payer? Whatever the poll number is for those opposed, a chunk of them would like a more progressive bill.
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Bingo. I don't think it's too much to ask that citizens get the same type of coverage received by their elected officials. I'm only speaking for myself, of course.

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I don't think so. And I don't care. They can't have a more progressive bill, and the compromise they've got is terrible enough.
 
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I would like to see a single payer healthcare system where every American is covered. If Obama had gone for that I would be all in favor of it. I feel that what he has done is weak and a poor step which may delay single payer healthcare for a long time to come.

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Posted - Sep 23 2013 : 11:50AM
Maybe. But I remember Hillary trying to get something done when Bill was president, and we've waited a long time for this basic baby step.
Once in place, people making too much to be subsidized will complain about that, and they can raise the subsidy into higher income levels until everyone is subsidized, and raise the subsidy until the government is footing the entire bill.
If, like me, you think it doesn't go far enough, you will wait forever for a bill that does, and I mean forever. I think this is the only way to get there.

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Posted - Sep 23 2013 : 3:14PM
Single payer isn't going to happen until health insurance and employment are decoupled. That is a whole other conversation but is one that is long overdue.

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Posted - Sep 23 2013 : 3:50PM
In a world where people worked for the same company for decades until they retired after 40 years, employer-provided coverage was okay.
Now, people work an average of 5 years for the same employer, and then if they OR their children have anything--diabetes, high blood pressure, whatever--they are uninsurable.
Not to mention that employers have stopped insuring people by various tactics--labeling them as temps, making them part-time, or just plain not offering coverage. Many others have trimmed their costs by providing ridiculous coverage (a $1500 per year CAP in benefits paid??!!??). How many adults of a certain age are now working TWO part time jobs, 50 hours a week, and have no employer coverage? And at minimum wage, they can't afford individual coverage, which costs more than that offered to employers).
It's a shite system, and needs to be decoupled from employers.
 
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Of course, by coupling insurance to employers, the system -- as it has always done -- covers "haves" and excludes everyone else.
Once people lose jobs and homes, and drop off the radar, their political clout zeros-out.
In plain language, politicians don't give a rat's ass about people who can't/don't vote and have no options or political power left.
Lose a job, lose your health insurance and become uninsurable...
Become sick, lose your health insurance...
Over 50 or sick, good luck finding a job with benefits (or, nowadays, ever working again)...
The whole system of employer-based health insurance was always a fraud.
Essentially, it began as a way for companies to legally give desired employees raises -- thus doing an end-run around wartime wage and price controls -- where raising actual wages was strictly limited and regulated.
The "haves" always have ways to bend the rules to their benefit.
It was never intended as a national healthcare system, much less than to provide health insurance/healthcare to the masses.
During the postwar economic prosperity, it took root and grew.
Nixon thought he had contained the problem with the [link inactive:404 - Page not found]HMO act of 1973.
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Once St. Reagan took office, it was clear that healthcare needed to be pulled-out by the roots and destroyed once-and-for-all (and we know how Reagan shilled against Medicare).
Since then, it's been a race to the bottom, or at least it was before Obamacare was passed into law.
Up until now, the destruction of healthcare for the masses, and simultaneously bleeding those who still had insurance while raising copays and providing less-and-less actual care, had become a finely-tuned machine
When Obamacare succeeds, 50-years of working to destroy healthcare for the masses (e.g. like unionized workers were targeted and vilified) goes down-the-drain.

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Posted - Sep 23 2013 : 9:25PM
Cody wrote:
Please name a country with socialized health care (with people who know everything about socialized health care) where polls show they want it defunded.

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