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Posted - Oct 23 2013 : 3:29AM
What's so bad about liberals?
Republicans planed the shutdown. Then Republicans called the shutdown The Liberal Shutdown. Then Ann Coulter said the shutdown thing was magnificent and it is now being hailed by Republicans as a success.
So Republicans must like liberals. Right?
My head hurtz.

Edited by - lindi on 10/23/2013 5:30:21 PM

 
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^ Nothing bad about liberals. I like liberals being one myself.
 
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Posted - Oct 23 2013 : 9:36PM
Liz Cheney -- like the rest of the Wingnuts for that matter -- is under the impression that it is still 2002. Oh for the days when you just point and yell "LIBERAL!!!" at someone and it was understood that said person was a Satan-Worshipping, Child-Molesting, Kitten-Drowning, Osama Bin Laden-sympathizer. And It worked great for them for a good long while, too.
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^And her liberalism cost her the Speakership in 2010.
No, there is still a problem with "liberal". Why else would liberals prefer to call-back the turn-of-the-twentieth-century "progressive"? Less Americans identify as "liberal", though it's climbing, than they do as "moderate" or "conservative" though the latter is in decline. It's a close call whether to identify as "moderate" and "liberal" among registered Democrats.
The exit polls suggests it's the policies. Cap and Trade, I know - not really liberal, was pursued as some kind of "pro market compromise" by liberals and the public largely revolted at the permitting plan, a damn good thing. And what of RomneyCare-gone-national? How the Affordable Care Act is supposedly gaining in popularity is totally mind-fucking but momentum aside, it's still underwater. Liberal, progressive, compromise, corporate, whatever-it-is, it's not popular. It's not being whole-cloth embraced by the majority of Americans despite Pelosi et al.'s wishes. Or, it could be a case of where even though the ideas are not liberal, they're still fully rejected and the idea that something more liberal would curry favor is laughable on its face. Even when they don't fight, they lose. Frankly, I totally relish it.
So, yeah, being a liberal is not necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I believe it's a matter of conscience as much as conservatism is. But it's not as well embraced as "moderate" and "conservative" and a "liberal agenda" is indeed a little more ambitious than Americans, or Australians (where the Liberal Party is the conservative one), Canadians, Brits, Germans, Italians...are willing to embrace.
Of course, huge caveat, conservatism and liberalism might as well be flipped over in some of those examples but it's actually a pretty good cross-section to see that strong, emphatic socialists are not widely embraced worldwide. Sure, there's no chance in hell Britain or Canada, under any leadership, would do away with their universal health care systems - they're far more liberal than America is - but election after election, depending on plenty of other circumstances, the self-identified liberals tend not to win.
So there is still a political problem in being perceived as a liberal. Conscience or not, I come from the default position that being liberal is being inherently driven by ideology, and I'd argue wishful thinking, unsupported versions of "reality", a lack of respect for the law of unintended consequences, and a general smug assurance that motive justifies the means. But that is just me.
Oh, it was about John McCain? That is just Liz being pathetic. I saw it in a fundraising email against Mitch McConnell too. I think the "liberal" tag only works when they're actually left of center. Best ignored...
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What-EVER, dude.
Edited by - sMILER gROGAN on 10/23/2013 11:14:25 PM
 
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Soon, hopefully, conservatism will be associated with idiots, meanness, and and anti-everything. At the rate the teabaggers are going, this might be sooner than later.

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Posted - Oct 24 2013 : 6:18PM
Cody wrote:
I don't think of it as wishful thinking or unsupported versions of reality.
I look at the unfettered and unregulated capitalism that supports child labor today, in countries where 2% of the population own 80% of the land, where people work hard to grow coffee and are paid next to nothing, while the landowners take all, and places where mercury from processing gold is just dumped into the drinking water.
Then I look at the BEST of America--putting an end to child labor, having a minimum wage, sending people to college on the GI Bill, and the resulting prosperity of the 60's, with its forward movements in civil rights.
Then I look at the people who think that children should work as school janitors, and 1 cent per hour is too much to ensure as a minimum wage ("there shouldn't be a minimum wage at all"), and college is for the people who already have money.
I think about what happens when everyone is making low wages and not going to school and not having food. And that direction will take us to third world nation status. We can vote in people who want to make sure that the decisions, the money, and the land end up in the fewest hands, and who scream that equitable distribution is communism.
I also get pissed off at how they want to take pensions from firefighters and say nasty things about teachers, and I think we can be better people than that.
Maybe that's unreal, wishful thinking, but we have already been better than that.
Edited by - lindi on 10/24/2013 6:20:12 PM

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And America's history is one of both sides fighting constantly, compromising, accepting, and moving truly forward. "Justice", especially "social justice", and "progress" is just as immune to the whims of pragmatism, realism, and patience as anything else in this world.
Conservatives have always been pretty well defined as "not wanting to tinker with what isn't broken" and sure, that has meant plenty of big, troubling issues have not been seen as much of a priority by those who wish to not rock the boat.
By all means, those who believe in better should fight for it, but unfortunately, in my view, from the great liberal experiment that is California, there is so much that progressives are intent on fighting for, and entrenching through any means necessary, that not only tinkers with that which isn't broken, but breaks it, often on purpose to reach a desired ends that is never all that worth pursuing.
And even then, those of us that start on default with wanting to preserve the status quo can even admit that it's still not so bad, oftentimes it's better, but it might be better had it not been pursued.
So let's face it - child labor and universal health insurance coverage are miles apart on any scale. I think liberals were right to fight for the former, but the latter is ambitious, costly, and way too much tinkering with something that just isn't that broken. And by all means, we'll fight to preserve that which works too.
 
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Like the voting process??

Edited by - sMILER gROGAN on 10/25/2013 12:29:09 AM

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A) It's broken
B) The countries that do what they can to end child labor are the same ones that espouse universal health coverage, and vice versa. Good countries to live in/bad countries to live in.
C) Other countries do "ambitious, costly" universal coverage, and the people in those countries are not having this discussion, because they would not in any circumstance trade what they have for what the U.S. has.
 
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Bullshit. Her liberalism and her politics were way down the list of what she had to endure. There was a misogynistic hatefest from day one after she took over. "Conservatives" were rabid. There is definitively a pattern in how they target female Democrats, they have to endure unhinged rage that is undeniably a symptom of something very wrong with the conservative movement. Nancy and Hillary would not unleash the same instinctive rage in conservatives if they were men.

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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 6:41PM
And they do it at half the cost and still getting better results in most areas. Republicans will try to skew this in every way they can but outside of cherry picked examples, US health care is in no way impressive. I have some experience with both systems, but its quite easy to observe the failings in everyday life in the US, there are tons of people everywhere you go who should have gotten treatment, for their own sake and for the economy's sake.

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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 6:43PM
Bullshit.
Double bullshit
Triple bullshit.
Evidence. Now.
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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 7:17PM
^ Look at what Cody is now reduced to in his arguments.
Edited by - rlankford on 10/31/2013 8:29:51 PM
 
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Edited by - rlankford on 10/31/2013 8:29:27 PM
 
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I really shouldn't fall for Cody's bait...and I've got loads of pictures of nekkid women standing by that are not going to post themselves to these threads...but what the hell, it's not like this is going to take me THAT long to do...
 
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I am a conservative with libertarian leanings. I believe in small unobtrusive government and as much freedom as possible for people. I also understand that there are times that government intervention is necessary to allow as much freedom as possible for people. Healthcare is broken. I'm glad that for you it works great as it was. Go out into the real world and talk to people. Don't ask them their political party affiliation. Just ask how many times they couldn't see a doctor when they needed to. How many times they couldn't afford a medication that they needed. How many people honestly can't afford insurance.
I will agree that the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, is crap. That's not because I feel the health system isn't broken. It's because I don't think it comes close to what we need. I feel that being able to access healthcare is a basic right. America claims to be at the foreground of medical care. Note that I said claims, not is. People out there, Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Green Party, etc, can't afford the healthcare they need. Especially if they get diagnosed with something serious.
I know Republicans love right now to through around the fact that universal healthcare is socialistic and that Obama is a socialist for attempting to bring some sort of version of universal healthcare. Then in the next breathe fight for funding of the military or praise the police. Yet both of these are socialistic programs as well.
Personally I think that the Affordable Care Act is broken before it starts and don't understand why more people aren't fighting it for true universal health care. Supporting the right of every American to get the healthcare they need to live a good life, what I see as a basic human right. To claim that healthcare isn't broken is ignorant. Either you haven't actually seen what is going on in America, to people of all political affiliations, or you just don't care. I'm hoping that is is the former, not the latter.
And no, I'm not hoping for a free-for-all medical system where everything is just handed out to the world due to people asking. To keep it affordable for tax payers I would hope that after patents expire that the universal health care would require generic drugs only. No brand name. If you want that, you can pay on your own. I would expect that there would still be prior authorizations, so that people don't get the most expensive treatments to begin with but actually get a treatment that works and keeps the cost down for everyone. But a system where if the cheaper treatments won't work, they still have access to and can get the more expensive treatments as part of the universal health care.
And just so no one misunderstands, I am not against the military or police. I think both are necessary socialistic programs. I am not against drug companies. I understand the money and time that goes into creating a new drug. We want the best minds working on new drugs. This isn't a place to skimp and all this costs money that needs to be paid for.
I just think that people have the right, in an advanced society, to have access to healthcare when they need it. I challenge anyone, who feels the system isn't broken, to go out to a random location and ask 200 people randomly passing by if any of them have ever not been able to afford healthcare they needed. I think the answers will surprise you.

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I know what you're saying that ACA is shaky, but fuck man, I'll be broke and dead waiting for the Republicans. It's at least some movement in an equitable healthcare system.
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^^ Not even gonna lie. My favorite post in a while.

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The examples that SG posts are hardly even offensive compared to the nastier and quite common remarks regarding looks and sexual orientation that liberal women in politics have to put up with. I guess you have to be pretty blind to not see how women are targeted in very different ways than men when they speak out forcefully. (And you must have severe memory problems if you can't remember the crapton of verbal abuse that Hillary has had to deal with for the last two decades).


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Exactly. If there's one question for the Repubs in all this, it's "well, where's your alternative?"
I have asked several of my conservative friends that, (both OL and RL) and have yet to get a clear answer.
One of my RL friends gave the standard Republican answer for everything: "We would let the private market handle it." And I said to him "What do you think the ACA is?!? It's corporate welfare at its finest!!!"
 
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What I would like to see as an alternative is in my earlier post.
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Flash says: "I am all for a single payer universal health plan for all Americans."
That plank is light years away from being in any Republican platform, and there are other differences that a caring and intelligent individual as yourself should find disturbing. How about legislating the historical lowest upper bracket tax rates while obstructed increases in a minimum wage, which inflation adjusted would be $10.56 or their penchant for defunding and hobbling regulatory oversight infrastructure that impede their pet special interest groups.
I could go on, but the point is, Republicans and Libertarians are mean people and you should not vote for them.

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We know what the Republican plan for our healthcare system is. It's called the Affordable Care Act, centered around the Individual Mandate and expanding private markets in the states.
But then a Democratic President embraced it, and they were then against it.
There are no other viable alternatives, aside from gutting the entire system, and the R's now have no plan to offer.
 
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Rush already started bawling earlier today:

RUSH LIMBAUGH: [Ken Cuccinelli] is a Reagan conservative. He's a genuine conservative. He really is. There's no RINO about him, is my point, and I think the Republican establishment wouldn't mind him losing because if Cuccinelli loses, what do they get to do?
They get to blame the Tea Party, they get to blame conservatives, and they get to say, "See? Conservatives just can't win! You people are killing the Republican Party, you Tea Party types and you people insisting on conservatism. Conservatives are just too small a minority. There's no way you can win. You're losing elections for us." I think that's what they want to say. [...] I think there's very little doubt that the Republican Party's not happy with its base, Tea Party and conservatives. I don't know this, but a lot of people have this theory, and I think it's got a lot of credence.
 
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Daily Beast is calling Christie's win "The Triumph of the RINO" The likes of Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh agree:
From Sean Hannity:

 
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More evidence of the chasm between the Senate and House.
Senate voted on ENDA. Passed with all Dems voting yes and 10 -- and I'm shocked at this -- TEN Republicans. (and Orrin Hatch too!)
But of course, John Boehner won't even allow it in the house for a vote.
Why? Because Deficit!

 
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The Libertarians are full of crap! They are Republicans. Nothing more.
When are people going to realize that these groups want no answers, or resolutions to anything. They want to be able to essentially do what ever they want. That's why they attack Government. At the same time working for Government.
Rational is not something you will get from these wackos!
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^ Let's see if Chris Christie weighs-in on it?
Maybe we can begin human sacrifice of indigents to appease the right-wing gods (e.g. the Koch Brothers)?
It seems the far-right whack-jobs that fancy themselves as president are already carving up the crazy-end.
I mean, how stupid do these guys and groups have to be, that John "grow-a-pair" Boehner is actually calling them out [o\|]

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I've said this before: I almost feel sorry for today's Republican Party, that is, until I see Fox News.
 
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Hi all. Does this go here?
I opposed the Ryan-Murray deal, see no reason to bust through the 2011 budget caps. I trust Paul Ryan, obviously, more than anyone in Washington in a long, long time, but I still can't reconcile breaking the spending caps in the near term even if the future promises are more likely to be realized than any other trade-off imaginable - I'm not in the "these are vague promises that will never materialize" camp. Relief doesn't have to be breaking the cap. More relief for the military was not worth increasing spending on all the nonsense Democrats want to fund indefinitely year after year. And the Republicans that deseperately wanted to shield military families and contractors from responsible budget decisions may have had clout, but I don't believe for a second they were going to fight all that hard to restore the defense discretionary funding They should have to suck the sequester, "embrace the suck" as Pelosi put it, and the status quo alternative was far preferable. We'd cut spending more, with all the requisite consequences, if the Republicans had done nothing.
I suppose if the Democrats actually had demanded relief from the sequester as condition of passing a CR that keeps the government open, it would be an acceptable deal, and perhaps Ryan envisioned such an inevitability but I didn't. I don't think they're that ballsy, especially in an election year. This deal didn't have to be cut and "stability", which is not guaranteed at all, is not worth the sequester. And stability is not guaranteed...

I have to give a big thumbs up to John Boehner putting the outside groups in their place and defiantly grabbing the reins of the party. I believe beyond doubt that the shutdown already empowered Boehner, and have said as much, but I figured his retaking of the ship from the mutinous minority would be a quiet victory with the majority simply ignoring the loud self-interest groups for the forseeable future, but I thought wrong. Boehner mocked them. He called them out, and shut them down.
Empahasis his, he fuckin' screamed it.
O.k. maybe once or twice, but pressure was on and practicality is among the first principles of good governance.
Just as Mitch McConnell isn't taking Matt Hoskins and his merry band of sure losers lightly, Boehner isn't going to stand for having his members, who support him, pushed around by unelected know-nothings that use and abuse conservatives for their own ends.
While no loyal conservative Republican wanted an outright war, when attacked, they will fight, and it sure looks like they intend to win.
...because I know I was wondering what Cody McLarge was thinking about all this...
 
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Speaker should have put bills that should be passed a long time ago, but just bills that Republicans support. It is about time. We will see what the speaker will dare to do or dare not.

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I agree with Cody for once. Most Republicans cannot admit mistakes and learn from them.
 
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Damn, the Talk-Show crowd hated John Boehner already, even when he was doing their bidding, but now?? SHEIITTT.
[link inactive:Server error]Mark Levin says that "John Boehner just declared war on conservatives."...
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PHOENIX — The Arizona Republican Party formally censured Sen. John McCain on Saturday, citing a voting record they say is insufficiently conservative.
The resolution to censure McCain was approved by a voice-vote during a meeting of state committee members in Tempe, state party spokesman Tim Sifert said. It needed signatures from at least 20 percent of state committee members to reach the floor for debate.
Sifert said no further action was expected.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers declined to comment on the censure. But former three-term Sen. Jon Kyl told The Arizona Republic that the move was "wacky."
 
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When it came to conservative pundit Erick Erickson, Greta Van Susteren got straight to the point: "What is wrong with this guy?"
The Fox News host took to her blog on Monday to lash out on Erickson for his sexist opinions, calling him a "jerk," "creep," "obnoxious," and much more.
"There are the creeps who take cheap shots because they are too ignorant and small to engage in an important discussion," she wrote. "I suspect this guy feels that he makes himself relevant or even important if he says or tweets like this. I just roll my eyes and wonder what is going on in his head!"
The blog seemed to be fueled by some of Erickson's recent tweets, one of which referred to Texas Democrat Wendy Davis as "Abortion Barbie."

I think I mentioned this somewhere before: Greta is reportedly NOT happy at having been pushed out of prime-time to make room for younger, prettier, blonder Megyn Kelly. She might just be trying to get fired.
 
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The House Just Passed a Clean Debt-Limit Bill and the [invalid URL removed]outrage among the grass-roots is at the point where it manifests itself as a living, sentient, King Kong sized gorilla made of atomic energy.
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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Rand Paul to Conservatives: Avoid Inflammatory Language to Widen Appeal
Inspired by a similar thread in Dkos:
Rand Paul is quickly getting to that position where NEITHER party wants anything to do with him.
Now here's the thing: Paul, who contributes to Breitbart.com, was commenting on the Ted Nugent Kerfluffle.
Perfectly reasonable right? Paul is asking for some civility, and reaching out to conservatives to realize that its in their best electoral interests to do so.
To put it nicely, this did not go over well with the Breitbart.com audience at all, as shown in the comments. There's a number of people who believe that conservatives have been TOO restrained where Obama/Dems are concerned. All these comments are presented as posted. The namesake of this thread, Karl Rove was mentioned more than once:


Election 2016 is gonna be OFF THE CHAIN.
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Rand Paul v. Liz Cheney! >>ding-ding!!<<
 
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As reported by Rlankford, Nevada GOP drops opposition to gay marriage and abortion from their platform;
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