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Posted - Jan 13 2017 : 12:38PM
Finished "Hope Endures: Leaving Mother Teresa, Losing Faith, and Searching for Meaning" by Colette Livermore. I really wish that the author went into more detail about her life after she left the Missionaries of Charity. I had the same problem with Mary Johnson's (ex-nun from the same religious order) memoir "An Unquenchable Thirst." Colette's journey to agnosticism was so condensed as to seem superficial. And why didn't she date or get married? Those perceived shortcomings aside I liked the book.
 
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Sounds like this is a subject matter that resonates with you.

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^Yeah. I'm not Catholic anymore but nuns continue to fascinate me.
 
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I wondered whether you were a lapsed Catholic, but didn't want to ask directly. Not sure why I should find religion a more sensitive topic than sex -- maybe because it's a porn board -- but there you go . . .
I'm sort of a lapsed Jew, whatever that means in these secular days. We don't have nuns or monks; we're supposed to be fruitful and multiply. The psychology of total devotion to God through renunciation, abstinence, and seclusion is strange, fascinating, somewhat frightening.
Have you read "The Prime of Miss Jean Brody" by Muriel Spark?
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Posted - Jan 19 2017 : 11:18AM
^I've seen the film a few times but I've never read the book.
 
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Posted - Jan 19 2017 : 11:14PM
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The book is compressed and great.

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^Thanks for the recommendation.
 
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Posted - Jan 20 2017 : 2:21AM
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Posted - Jan 20 2017 : 2:26AM
Sounds like a book that could have been written by Michael Chabon on hallucinogens.
 
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Posted - Jan 20 2017 : 7:03PM
^ I enjoyed it. Now I've started Foucault's THE ORDER OF THINGS. Heard this is considered his best and most substanial piece of writing.
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That will certainly be a dense, tough read. Hopefully worth it. Let us know what you think.
 
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I'm supposed to be re-reading Foucault too...History of Sexuality Vol. I.
 
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Not too bad so far. I often wonder about the quality of the translations of the more modern French philosophers. I wish Richard Howard translated everyone from French into English.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2017 : 11:34PM
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The issue of translation always concerns me. Partly about "accuracy"; partly on a more meta level. Now I'm reading Proust, but it's not really Proust -- it's Lydia Davis on Proust. How much is lost that I'll never know is lost?
Poetry in a foreign language? Unless it's narrative poetry, forget it as far as I'm concerned. Philosophy, which is about ideas, and history, which is about facts and ideas, seem more suitable for translation. Still, I've heard that some philosophers -- Heidegger comes to mind -- are only really intelligible in their own language (I certainly can't make much out of him in English). And the best historians, to me, are also fabulous stylists. So what's a reader to do?
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Posted - Jan 25 2017 : 1:46PM
I've read some brilliant poetry in translation so I would never not want that to be a thing. A great translator translating a great poem, novel, etc can produce a new piece of great art, so that sounds like a win to me. Beckett's translations of the French poet Eluard come to mind, among others. I think more can be gained than lost. Where would the tradition of the novel be without translations from the Russians and the French?
I wonder if some of the apparent 'difficulty' of some of the French so-called 'post-modernists' is just poor translations or is the original equally nonsencial. From what I've read Deleuze amd Guattari look to be pretty much nonsense in both French and English. But apparently Foucaut is elegant in the original French but I find most of what I've tried to read dry and convoulted.
So far I find this Vintage edition of THE ORDER OF THINGS solid but not exactly inspired if Foucault is as good of a writer in French as some say he is. Strangely they don't even list who the translator is, unless Foucault rewrote it in English himself?
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Posted - Jan 25 2017 : 3:02PM
Just finished A Clash of Kings, now starting A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin.
 
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Posted - Jan 26 2017 : 1:24AM
That's my point, really. It's a new piece of art, not the "thing in itself".
This, again, goes to my concern.
I'm not saying that translation shouldn't be done, only that the translation is not (for instance) really "Proust" or really "Foucault". What can I say -- it bothers me.
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I've finished A Radical Faith: The Assassination of Sister Maura by Eileen Markey, an excellent book.
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Bipolar Faith: A Black Woman's Journey with Depression and Faith by Monica Coleman. Won't be reading this one again (it'll be months before I'm able to shake the first several chapters of Part III) but it was worth reading once.
 
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Norse Mythology Neil Gaiman
 
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Wild Swans by Jung Chang (copyright 1991, so not a recent book)
This amazing memoir details China in the twentieth century as well as a family saga involving three generations of women: the author, her mother and her grandmother. Grandmother was born in Manchuria at the very end of the Manchu empire (2 years before its fall); given in concubinage at age 15 by her father to a rising military star, her youth was in a time of competing warlords. The author's mother, who grew up through the years of Japan's rule in Manchuria, WW II, and the fight for China between the Communists and the Kuomintang, was a Communist true believer, throwing herself into the cause for the betterment of China. Finally, the author lived her horrific formative years through the terrors of the Cultural Revolution; a crucial moment in the book was when her love and worship of Chairman Mao first began turning to disillusionment.
Rich in beautiful writing and amazing historical detail, this is not just a very personal history of the century in China, but a fascinating study of the generational differences in the three women's lives. I highly recommend it.
 
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Posted - Mar 4 2017 : 12:55AM
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Sounds really good.
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Part of Melville Houses excellent novella series. A satrical and philosophical fable-like fantasy. Wonderful. I need to read more Johnson.
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Late last night, I finished Charles Marsh's Strange Glory: A Life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer for the second time. This is my preferred biography of Bonhoeffer.
 
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We Must Run While They Walk: A Portrait of Africa's Julius Nyerere by William Edgett Smith.
 
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^ Steinbeck is awesome and I think "Cannery Row" is a undervalued book in his canon.
 
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My wife says that "Cannery Row" is her favorite. I'm looking forward to it. I'm just into "Tortilla Flat" at this point. The only other Steinbeck I've read is "East of Eden" many years ago, which I loved.
 
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^ You have some very good reading ahead of you, my friend.
 
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I liked "Tortilla Flat" very much. Now, I'm onto "The Red Pony".
 
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^ Wait until you get to "Of Mice And Men" and "Cannery Row". Prime Steinbeck.
 
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^ Great book. The story is so crazy it reads like a movie. The same author also wrote great books on Kim Philby and Nietzche.
 
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^ And I've read both those books and you're right.
You're also right that it should be a movie.
 
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Cool! The one on Nietzche I picked up out of a bargain bin. Major find. The story of him visiting the degraded Aryan colony in South America that Nietzche's sister and her husband were part of is amazing stuff. You'd think the BBC would be all over his material for doc purposes at least.

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Jean Seberg: Breathless by Garry McGee. I like this one much more than the David Richards biography.
 
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I've had this 75th anniversary edition laying around for a while so I thought I'd change things up. Not sure I'm going to stay with it, though. To say I'm troubled by the racial issues would be an understatement. Based on an "American Masters" television documentary on Margaret Mitchell that I saw some time ago, I thought there would be some deconstruction going on -- but apparently not. At least not yet. So far it seems like nothing more than a highfalutin romance novel, not a historical novel. And while the writing is skillful enough, I guess, compared to my recent reading her flowery prose is somewhat grating. Is it a guilty pleasure or not a pleasure at all? Guess I'll find out.

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^I loved that novel as a kid, but now I find so much of it hard to stomach that I can barely get through it. There's still a lot I love about it, beginning with the fact that Margaret Mitchell never gives a damn about making Scarlett "likable" (that had a major impact on me), but the racism is really too much.
 
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The more I read the book, the more it seems like a protofeminist work. Scarlett does whatever the fuck she wants and it's like Margaret Mitchell is saying, "You go girl!"
 
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The book is improving. The siege of Atlanta is pretty raw stuff.
 
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I love John Ford's films. Please report back on the book.
 
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Hey Bob,
This is actually a reread for me. I first read it about 10 years ago. The book is fantastic. THE best biography of Pappy. He was a drunken, nasty SOB in real life but one of the greatest directors of all time.
If you haven't read it, please do, I think you'll really like it.
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