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Posted - Jun 2 2019 : 10:59AM
Guys, isn't it troublesome how some of the obsessive/compulsive love for IR pornography is driven by some inner racism? I think it's worst that the industry producers know this and exploit that fuel to get money from that.

Today I was scrolling through Twitter and I found some accounts who were apparently addicted to IR porn. But something that was prevalent between those accounts is the necessity of saying things to stars like "You should only go for BBC obsession" "You only look good with a BBC" you know things like that. Basically accounts dedicated to spreading that supposed IR movement. Now, I also found a common trope between those, they are self proclaimed white guys. Now, that isn't really troublesome, but then, I started to scroll down between these similar accounts finding some revealing stuff about them: they have a racist component behind their apparent love for the "IR movement" mostly when I found some of them (and their fans who only ask for BBC scenes) telling a rather controversial figure on Twitter because of the Alt-Right. A mother of mixed race kids. Specifically, a white woman whose husband was black. They were telling things like "IR porn looks good, IR kids? Not so much"

I realized they have the same racism impulse that drives them to that same obsession for IR porn. They don't support any IR movement, they only want to fullfil those racist desires. There are some controversial blogs that act that way but don't hide their racism and go full with the N word and words that normally are used to insult black people. But saying is "praise" and "love for the IR movement".

I think it's also obvious some porn websites/producers take advantage of that.

But, it sometimes boils my blood these accounts/people.
It's like that creepy uncle with the obsessive smile who tells you everything is ok but has malicious intentions behind the curtain.


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Posted - Jun 2 2019 : 12:30PM
IR porn has always been racist. If anyone disagrees, then please tell me why “interracial” has to be an separate category of porn by itself.

If the intention is really not meant to be racist, then fucking a black guy would just fall under the category of fucking any guy. Besides let’s not forget that IR porn is usually attributed to only those scenes with a black performer which in itself is a racist thing.

I’ve also heard of white guys who like to get their white girlfriends/wives to have sex with black men as a form of their domination over their women, again which is a racist thing.


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Posted - Jun 2 2019 : 7:21PM
^^
1-I have no idea where you go the notion that anyone's love for interracial porn somehow makes them a closeted racist and frankly the fact that you wrote that makes me think that you are trolling us with that kind of statement.

2-You want an intelligent well thought out discussion than avoid all social media because those places are literally populated with trolls who take great pleasure throwing their feces all over the place.

3-If you want to discuss racism in America than this smartbuydisc.ru may not be the ideal place to do so and not because many people won't be able and willing to have that intelligent discussion but this is primarily a porn smartbuydisc.ru and we should avoid subjects that are better suited for another smartbuydisc.ru.

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1-You might want to stop drinking the Cool-Aid if you think that porn is inherently racist. That's like saying that mainstream media is racist because there are more white people working in that industry. You could even argue that they are sexist because there are probably more men working in those industries.

Ultimately this thread is better getting closed as nothing good will come of it.


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Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 6:03AM
There is something inherently weird and problematic about a category in porn that only relates to black men having sex with white women. It feels like a continuation of some nasty stereotypes that have been around for hundreds of years and that are being used by black and white porn producers to make money.

I am just glad that some female (and some male) pornstars refuse to shoot scenes that cater to these stereotypes and I hope more of them do so in the future.


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Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 7:45AM
^What category are you referring to because the only category I'm aware of that we refer to as interracial is one where one of the performers is black and the other is Caucasian and there is no mention of gender.
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Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 8:16AM
It's absolutely true that many fans who are obsessive for IR like it because of some sort of racist slant. But for those people the racism is there in varying degrees. For some the racism is so subtle they don't even realize it's there and for others they know full well it's because they are racist and see black men dominating a white woman as a power thing. Then there are the fans who like IR simply because a lot of the black performers have the biggest package. Then there are some fans who don't care about the color of the guy's skin and just enjoy a watching a good scene. Lastly, there are fans like me. I'm black and would just prefer watch a guy of his own color having sex because it's easier to relate to. But I'm okay watching white on white and actually watch more of that than anything simply because it's what most porn is.

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Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 8:20AM
I've always suspected this myself. If I was a black guy I would not be flattered by the IR demand. Something about it just screams "she is doing something degrading" like most fetishes and if you're being used like some kind of freak show it's no compliment. The whole appeal seems to be a mystery, only explanation I've had from the IR crowd is they like the difference in skin color. Which doesn't make sense to me and how it's supposed to be a sexual turn-on.

Porn is porn to me and no race is supposed to be fetishized or to be used as a taboo, if you really aren't racist. And 'interracial' is a general term, not just black guy-white girl. Btw that type of porn goes the other way around too where they degrade white people so really, that whole genre is weird to me and the followers are too as they spam almost every Star Crossed thread with the same old questions.


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Payment premiums have zero to do with performer's size and 100 to do with marketing a category of porn. First IR whatever garners a certain amount of clicks/downloads/subscriptions, and apparently if IRs are kept somewhat rare per performer the scenes still attract a surplus of engagement.

The racism behind it all is what's built into the branding of an IR scene, and to a greater extent the IR genre in porn. For white men, it plays on stereotypes that black men are larger, more aggressive, more assertive and treat the whole activity like a team sport. The dom fetish comes into play often as well for whites. For black men enjoying porn, it gives them the pov of sex from the perspective of a person of color..a black dick to watch, fantasize as your own; IR also expands viewership in this respect.

To answer Abigail's often asked question about the meaning of the term IR: it's not intended to cover the larger colloquial understanding of interracial, and I'd say a sizable portion of porn consumers get that. It is an industry brand that strictly means black male having sex with white female..or white male. I'm sure there are plenty of examples of this in other markets, I just can't think of any right now and this is a porn smartbuydisc.ru so I don't take it seriously enough to burn oil on it.

I guess my point in commenting is that I think if Abigail is so concerned about this, she should do a better job of educating herself before just spouting off about things. Maybe the question should be: is it acceptable to use race to brand a product? Because that's where this goes. It shows a real lack of intelligence to suggest that the racism you detect wouldn't be so bad if it just included more marginalized people. What's even worse is she got woke props.


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Posted - Jun 3 2019 : 7:02PM
I'm not going to purport to be an IR expert but from what I largely see, IR is about black guys and white girls. I didn't see anyone announcing Autumn Falls' scenes as IR when she had sex with white dudes (which she was doing right from the get go).
 
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A truely rare amount of crap.
MARKETING labels have nothing to do with racism or any discrimination whatsoever , I find it odd that only IR have to answer to this, but not any other category such as Asian, Latino, BBW , Fat Ass and so on aren't they derogatory as well?

There are some self proclaimed black guys who only watch IR or Black on Black, how the hell would they find their shit if there's no label at all?
If you look for specific scenes from an actor or an actress how would you find them without some labeling.
If you only watch IR and want to know if your more recent porn discovery ever did any scene with a black man, are you going to pair her with every single actor's name you know and try to find a match?How about those scenes whose male names are omitted? Wouldn't be a lot easier if you just put her name with the label of the kind of scenes you're looking for? You'll even may find scenes with guys you never heard of or that aren't even mentioned on the covers or the descriptions , for example those glory hole scenes where the male is supposed to be unknwn.

Another example Rocco's films aren labeled IR and yet there's one IR scene in almost every movie he does and this since forever , if you want to find a scene for example Valentina Nappi and Mike Chapman you will have to look at her list of IR scenes (also her very first shoot , IR and anal at that)
Another thing even though everyone gives to IR the meaning he wants it's not true that IR only means Black and Caucasians , Black and Asians are also labeled as IR Kendra Spade scenes with Black Men are labeled IR and so are those of Marica Hase, Sharon Lee , Mi Ha Doan and go forth.

Basically it's a matter of contrast


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:38AM
^^See what LCF wrote above and you will see that it's question of marketing. If you go on Ana Foxx's IAFD page than you will notice that most of her scenes are tagged as being IR when she works with white men and isn't when they are with black men.

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To the thread creator : I totally agree with you..I also notice the growing amound of accounts on twitter totally dedicated on this kind of stuff that to me looks almost like hatred..The more troublesome is that actually there is some black male performers ( very few of them thank god ) that retweet those stuff and they feed the beast and i don't like to think that they doing it intentionally..To my POV this actually destroys the IR genre because behaviours like that only push off female performers that maybe they were thinking about taking the dip..As for Abigail post on twitter in terms of charging in IR scenes i cannot agree with that..The reason is do IR is a regular b/g scene like any other ? Yes it is..Do the female performers should charge more if they shoot IR scene ? For me the answer is yes because either we like it or not is all about marketing..Imagine a performer like Riley Steele or Rachel Starr decide to shoot an IR scene for a company and how much $$ will this kind of scene bring back in the site and yet the girl charge the regular b/g..To me this is ridiculus and as much i respect Abi i have to say since IR genre is like that female performers should charge more for the first , second ( maybe third and forth depending on if they are on demand ) IR shoot and then they should charge the regular..This is my opinion from a guy that likes IR porn very much but hate in what is gradually have become..

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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 8:07PM
^^Marketing-related does not make it less driven by stereotypes and an ugly underbelly.

For marketing reasons I can dress up some white guys in sombreros and paint them brown to sell tacos, it doesn't make it less offensive. Of course this marketing tactic might appeal to many in a crowd and it will sell tacos but it's no less problematic.

As for non-caucasian ladies filming with white guys, they might be tagged like that on IAFD or whatever but drawing power is mostly black guys with white girls.

To my knowledge there are no sites called Asianed or Hispaniced

Again I do not speak from an "IR connoisseur's" point of view because I find the category reprehensible and don't aspire to be a connoisseur in that domain.


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 8:28PM
^yep
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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 8:45PM
This thread is terribly distressing to me. Porn hasn't succumbed to that wider culture of internal fear and suppression, and for many people it's a place of hope. Now we've got a thread where people are presuming to dictate to others what to think, what to enjoy, and what their intentions should be. Please make it stop. Please tell me the barbarians haven't invaded.

+1 to what pat362 wrote third post from the top.


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:09PM
^I don't see anyone in this thread telling you what to think or enjoy.

I see people having a discussion about a complex situation that touches upon many subjects.

If you can't follow, don't sit at the grow up table (ie avoid this thread).


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:25PM
^ Not explicitly, but that's the PC strategy playbook, and we're only in Stage 1.

But seriously....Yes, there's racism in the Interracial category. There's also people who like it literally for the color contrast. It's stark and stunning and beautiful to shoot (and watch), and there's fewer taboos to shooting it these days, and it's popular and makes money. Focusing on skin color is also not inherently bad; it's a real physical trait, and porn necessarily revolves around physical traits. There are historical (and current) racism overtones to play with, which adds creative dimensions. It's great. Is a European performer with black hair wearing East Indian garb doing "cultural appropriation" or are they just having fun?

If the initial post is just stating personal opinions, them I'm fine with that and think that's perfectly valid. Porn is (or often is) all about taboos and breaking them----in every manner and in every direction. Not everyone is going to be comfortable with all those different directions.

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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:32PM
porn is filled with fetishism's, but these categories are absolutely a racist form of that, which also permeates outside of the industry.

if only black women got shown this much "love".

if only this industry would actually evolve, instead of regressing.


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:36PM
^ There's plenty of racism in porn, as in the actual people and organizations and social and business dynamics. In my experience and observation anyway. But by the same token, I wouldn't say it's necessarily less or greater than in other industries, it's simply more explicit. But porn is about being explicit. I don't know that I'd personally single out porn, but I'm all for the world as a whole evolving.

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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 9:56PM
^^I would posit that in terms of the IR category porn is not eroticizing a taboo as much as playing upon stereotypes (and by the way, I'm pointing my finger at black sites that play upon these stereotypes).

I do agree that contrasts can be attractive but very few sites play with that. What we see is "he's my first black guy" or "she's my first white girl" or "I can't believe my daughter is fucking a black guy" porn and those are squarely rooted in ugliness in my opinion.


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 10:16PM
^ Yes, I know what you mean. Though I myself....I look at the different components. There's titles, like what you wrote, which typically verge on (or just are) parody. There's the scene setup which is also parody (and the performers fighting back laughter is often discernible). The sex itself is usually just that, just sex. Not all scenes accentuate visual contrasts, but just anyone can make porn, which is both the brilliance and the tragedy of porn. The production is usually (but not always) diligent enough to include some dialogue during the sex that refers back to the setup or the title. Behind the scenes, the camera guy says, "Hey wait, we need to include the two lines of dialog during the reverse cowgirl." So they do, and that's that. The sum total doesn't seem to me to be this malicious thing. Sure, there are recent scenes out there that feel more malicious, but (and I don't have numbers) I don't think they're numerous. And like I said, anyone can shoot and release porn successfully, so when we talk about the market it's very different to talking about other artistic industries where there are entrenched gatekeepers.

(Edited for typos and clarity)

Edited by - zingerbrook on 6/4/2019 10:18:49 PM


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Posted - Jun 4 2019 : 10:49PM
I've sometimes wondered whether at least some of the IR genre (not the same as scene that happen to be interracial) is more racist or sexist.
I'm sure it appeals to different people for very different reasons though.
 
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Posted - Jun 5 2019 : 1:07AM
You do understand that even the notion of BBC is a stereotype, do you? Why aren't you offended by that I wonder.

So you base you assumption about what IR really is from the esistence of "Blacked"?
And how about the "Whited-Out" DVD series where a black woman is involved in a gang bang with White Guys?

Also how about Dogfart ? They have since forever Two sites based on glory hole one of them shows white woomen involved with black dicks but the other one shows black women involved with white dicks , they also have two blow bang sites one with White females with black men and the other with white males with black women,
Also "We Fuck Black Girls" shows white men with black girls
There's a number of Asian girls with black men in there with no caucasians in sight.

Latino , girls and men have a category on their own and so do Asians , Esquisite Angel series Asian Orgy showed Asian girl only with either white, Latino and Black men and it was labeled IR

We're talking stuff who begun to come out well over 20 years ago, Blacked is today news not a paradygm

Also just to add one thing , the IR label also exists in gay porn where not only there aren't any caucasian girls involved but also it makes no difference whether the one doing the fucking is black or white nor does whoever is the one getting fucked.

there's a whole world outside of blacked who is way bigger and it's different.

as for Streotypes again do you really belive that every white Women couldn't help herself at the sight of a black dick but getting immediately fucked right there?
Do you really believe that every white man would love to see his fiancee, wife, sister, mother , whatever , getting fucked by black men?

About those "drawing power" that's a thing called "market" you understand that among porn consumers the overwhelmingly vast majority is composed by Males , that also means that the vast majority of black men who like iR watch mainly men fucking women hence the "drawing power" of Black Males over White Women"

It's just a matter of numbers , doesn't define the category , you can't just sign off the minorities to define anything , Would you say that the USA are a white nation and remove anybody who doesn't fit the notion?

Edited by - LCF on 6/5/2019 1:24:00 AM


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MOO, this is overall a pretty good thread so far. I don't think that the OP was trolling or attempting to define anyone's tastes.

IMO, saying that there's racism in IR pr0n, or in pr0n generally, is like saying there is oxygen in air. This opinion is not a reason to do nothing but rather it provides me an opportunity to look at my own thoughts, impulses, and actions at least as often as I think about what others are doing.

One aspect of racism and IR pr0n that I find intriguing is the triangular relationship among the racism, misogyny, and homo-eroticism in many IR scenes and how that relationship can serve to re enforce conventions of white (male) supremacy by suggesting that the surest way to limit miscegenation and tolerance of non-binary sexuality is through greater control over white women's bodies and sexuality.

Another aspect of IR pr0n I find intriguing is how rarely black men will treat white costars as roughly as some women encourage. A noteworthy exception would be Mr. Marcus's scene in Rough Sex #2 way back when.

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^^I never used words like "every" and I never posited that a site like you mentioned is responsible for every ill in the world. I used the site (and there are many others) to illustrate the fact that it appears that the black men on white women IR category is the most prevalent.

I also clearly said that I believed that black producers of porn are also responsible for ugly stereotypes of the "white bunny" and helpless white girls getting preyed upon by "guys from the ghetto".

You are assuming (rather than asking my thoughts on the subject) that I am don't put the BBC in the same category. I do and I think it is a problematic category based on stereotypes. As some pornstars have tried to say, cock is cock, who cares if it is black, white or brown.


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Posted - Jun 5 2019 : 6:56AM
When I realized IR was a "thing", I didn't get it. I still don't get it.

I think it's for the most part an American thing.

 
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Neither did I,actually I meant majorities , as I said it doesn't appear anything it's just a matter of numbers , nor I assumed anything , but I don't see anyone (and I stress the nobody meaning of this) is saying anything about ALL the stereotypes


the BBC thing for example it offends none, the white bunny thing did offend many performermers who didn't want to play such role, but , guess what? such stereotypes are good, them, are just racists making excuses apparently the only way to remove anything is just the IR label nothing else , there absolutely non complaint about anything different from that.

I'm horrified by the very existence of a site callde "Ghetto Gaggers" for example

Edited by - LCF on 6/5/2019 8:49:30 AM


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^^ You're correct. Notice how you don't see the European industry fetishizing that term or black folks in general. It's only ever been a problem in America.

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Posted - Jun 5 2019 : 8:51AM
IR has always had racist undertones specifically how women hold out to shoot those kind of scenes for a higher pay, however I agree with OP that the recent trend has taken it way overboard

These studios are amplifying the classic racist trope of the hypersexualized black person, basically framing these large black men with larger than life penises as 100% sexual beings designed specifically for stealing your GF/wife and pleasing her in a way that you could never.


Which is hilarious because the real truth is of course that comically large penises tend to be more painful than pleasurable, and most women can be completely sexually satisfied with clitoral stimulation, oral sex, and “the motion in the ocean” as opposed to “the size of the boat”.


I think the main counterargument here is that *of course* porn isn’t reality and is just a fantasy. But I think a lot of these studios exploit their fans by blurring the line. It happens with almost all genres of porn, this one just happens to have deep historical and cultural ties that make it unique and sensitive.

 
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^^
the are now, to sell overseas, even the Japanese have passed from "Kokujin" (Black People) to BBP (Big Black Penis) and are even placing the husband to watch , although just few seconds

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Yeah they are triked to make discounts instead, so that a very valuable scene makes the producers save money from the performers and earn more from the scenes

Edited by - LCF on 6/5/2019 8:55:51 AM


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Forgive my bluntness in writing. I think this is an interesting thread with interesting and valuable posts...

Lots of seriousness and probity here, along with a very (very) US-centric outlook in my opinion. What about chavs, Essex girls, German dommes marketed with a flirt towards Nazism (moreso outside Germany), slutty stereotyped Eastern Europeans, Gypsies, and on and on. Or the US-centric trailer trash or fantasies of exploiting drug-addicted teens. Art and expression is an outlet for society not a hole to be plugged. Shit’s dirty, so let’s sew our anus closed or at least make so that it smells like roses. I don’t think that’s right.

, You seem to be luxuriating in the self-reflection that such porn affords you, but distraught by the negative influence it apparently has on other, necessarily less-enlightened people. Or am I missing something?

Dr_Fell (paraphrased) “IMO, saying that there's racism in IR pr0n...it provides me an opportunity to look at my own thoughts, impulses, and actions at least as often as I think about what others are doing.
One aspect of racism and IR pr0n that I find intriguing is the triangular relationship among the racism, misogyny, and homo-eroticism in many IR scenes and how that relationship can serve to re enforce conventions of white (male) supremacy by suggesting that the surest way to limit miscegenation and tolerance of non-binary sexuality is through greater control over white women's bodies and sexuality.”

 
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Yes, of course racism is at the root of it, otherwise the category of IR wouldn't exist. That doesn't necessarily mean the person watching and enjoying is actively racist. The same could be said for any porn category/sexual preference that obsessively focuses on a select group of people.
 
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Thanks for highlighting this. The centrality of women's bodies in all this is, as usual, taken for granted as a "normal" aspect of sexuality and communication between men.

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Yes you are.
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Fine. FWIW, I agree with your quotation from Gore Gore Girl below.

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The fact that there's a IR category in and of its self isn't racist (although IR being only black/other race is problematic). There should be categories based on the specificity of the type of porn you want. But the content in IR porn usually trades on racism/stereotypes, mostly from a white male POV. For example, you notice most of the cuckold porn when its IR its always the white guy being cuckold? Watch gang bangs when its a white woman and all black men, notice the tone. Hell when you watch for example blacked vs vixen, notice the type of positions they're in? The sex is always much more aggressive when a black man is involved. The positions aren't as intimate, as if when you're watching a vixen or tushy. The site is called blacked, but how many black women and white men do you see?
 
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^
Actually many Members of Blacked did ask repeatedly for more Black girls in there , but the vast majority of those commenting especially the self proclaimed black ones said no veemently
 
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I want to make an obvious point. Most of the top female porn stars are white, and the majority of the non-whites are East Asians. It seems obvious to me that this fact reflects the racism of our society.

Almost all of my favorite female stars are white. While one could easily condemn this as a sign of my personal racism, I would answer, "If you want to call me racist because I like to jerk off to white girls, go ahead, but there are more important issues to deal with in the struggle against racism."

Similarly, it seems obvious to me that the existence of the IR genre reflects American racism, but I don't see any point in implying that people who enjoy IR porn are racist.

I will even grant that the IR-genre reflects the particularly fraught ideology of black men as animals, white women as pure, the obsessive fears around black-male white-female sex, and the legalized-criminality of lynching. So the issues stirred up by IR porn are maybe more difficult to deal with than the fact that Angela White just won POTY two years in a row.

Even given this fraught ideology, I don't see a reason to condemn people who like IR porn. It seems to me that there is important work to undertake in the struggle against racism. Let's condemn mass incarceration and police brutality. If you want to get radical in your critique of ideology, then condemn wage slavery, and ask whether racial prejudice may be preventing us from uniting in our struggle to be free of our bosses?


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^You're gonna discuss all of that on a porn smartbuydisc.ru? That must be a joke.

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The issue is not racism, but rather the context of racism.

Each persons sex life is private and is subjective of their personal preferences. If you discriminate against other races in any other context, like work, in public..etc, it's extremely offensive and racist.

But when it comes to sex, people can't help what their preferences are, and are thus accused of being racist. (ie..I'm not attracted to the vast majority of black woman and that apparently makes me a racist)

The issue with IR porn, is that of all races, black females are the minority. There's plenty white, latina and asian girls but very few black girls. Conversely there's so many black guys in porn.

This is caused by porn's viewership still being mostly male and most males find white (or asian and latina, or indian) woman more attractive, and black woman less so.

I live in an African country which has actually done a university level survey on this and came to this result.

south-africa-race_2528398b.jpg

And consider that our demographics are (mostly black):

Black : 74.6
White: 9.1
Coloured: 8.8 (in our country this is black and white bi-racial people)
Asian: 2.5
Other: 0.5


In conclusion.

Most porn is watched by males.
Most white males like white girls.
Most black males like white girls.
Thus most girls in porn are white.
Because black males watch porn and want to see black guys fucking white girls
Thus there's quite a few black males in porn.
Because there's so many black males in porn and so few black females, it's considered taboo and branded as IR.

So there's nobody to blame. Studios want money and males want their porn!

 
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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 10:25AM
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That could be easily explained , the role models for beauty are those who match the tastes of whites , Movie stars, Music stars , Fashion Models and so on , even thoigh it was unintentional , Hollywood has imposed models the whole world has been following for over a century now , even the models of other whites countries begun to follow the American model and still do.
I thi nk this has had a role to such result on your survey

Edited by - LCF on 6/9/2019 10:26:12 AM


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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 11:17AM
I really think it depends on the studio and how it's presented. I think a studio like Dogfart lives up to what you're saying here...the male performers are portrayed as thugs and the white women are portrayed as doing something wrong to be with a black man.

But how does this apply to Blacked, or other more "modern" studios, where both the men and women are portrayed in a positive light.


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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 12:47PM
Apologies - I'll restate the first portion:

I believe Brandi Love refused to shoot IR for so long because she didn't approve of the raceplay/stereotyping so prevalent in the industry at the time. As a swinger irl, she has zero racial bias but the industry portrayed it so negatively so often that she waited for it to change before she felt comfortable taking part in it publicly. I also recall Rachel Starr saying much of the same.

 
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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 12:56PM
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Brandi Love is now shooting lots of IR including for Dogfart but with no raceplay in it AFAIK , she's staying consistent with her previous statements

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Those women on Blacked are cheating thus they are doing something wrong, it doesn't matter whether the black man plays the role of a famous singer, a rich something or as in some cases the father / brother of a friend or whether or not they play a thug or better yet a low society black man , they're still cheating.
And this would be true with most of porn actually IR or not.
Also it's not true that dogfart always present the thug scenario though they appear to have stressed that issue lately, but since I'm no longer a member I'm basing my statement on their previews can't be sure
I don't think that a different scenario would change Blacked style, I mean a regular mixed couple coming back home after work would be really so weird?

Edited by - LCF on 6/9/2019 12:59:12 PM


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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 1:04PM
^I think if anything, the cheating storylines usually degrade the implied white boyfriends more than anything else. It's usually the white girl cheating on her white boyfriend because his cock isn't big enough and she wants to try a black guy for the first time. The white woman is portrayed as sexually liberated, the black man is portrayed as a dream guy and if anything it's the white boyfriends (who are very rarely shown) who get cast in a negative light. And since I'm willing to bet the majority of their members are white men, we don't seem to mind.

Now I agree they could portray regular mixed couples more often. The scene that's about to go up on Blacked today does that, and it's a refreshing change of pace. But the cheating scenes still have a place even if they are over done.

And my apologies for generalizing Dogfart like that. I'm not familiar enough with them to truly know what their trends are, but I have seen some scenes of theirs that push the envelope much farther than Blacked ever would.

 
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Posted - Jun 9 2019 : 1:26PM
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You mean the implied boyfriend who said it's white?
In the last BBC POV of Adam and Eve the Elsa Jean scenes depicts her undressing and then fucking Ricky Johnson in front of her boyfriend Isiah Maxwell to punish him for having been cheating on her , she switches among them though, still her boyfriend is black
 
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Posted - Jun 10 2019 : 11:46AM
I think you misunderstood what I meant. Yes, some porn is more overtly racist in its representations. But, isolating black men fucking white women as a specific fetish or category, specifically occupying the category "IR," is rooted in racism no matter whether the representation seems positive or not. However, all sexual categories are rooted in something and porn provides space to indulge in taboo, anxieties, etc. If someone enjoys IR, the product is rooted in racism and the sexual fascination is rooted in a legacy of racist violence, but that does not mean the person watching it is actively "a racist."

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Posted - Jun 10 2019 : 12:25PM
^^ I think that people have lost the plot on what 'racism' is. And are using the term too liberally.

Lets look at what the UK English defines it as:

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Porn as a business or an industry and the people within are not racist based on the first definition. As black and white performers are paid equally, and the opportunities afforded to them are based on viewership and popularity which are out of the industries control. Some might argue that white woman who don't do IR are racist under this context, but I'd disagree as there is no prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against the male performers.

Keep in mind that most female talent are independent contractors. A similar argument is that if a white girl went to a shopping center, she's not obligated to buy items at a store managed by a black man. She's not racist if she only shops at white managed stores.

The second definition is where most people lose it; as by that definition everyone doing anything is racist. Calling a company 'Blacked' or 'BlackAmbushed' or the like is already racist as it already highlights a characteristic which is specific to a certain race, that of black people having darker skin. The fact that porn, Hollywood movies and even TV series often makes jokes about black people being more hung is also racist in this context. Pretty much any stereotype of race, whether it's good or bad become racism under this definition, and that's also the reason I reject it. If black men have big cocks, so be it. If Asians have squinted eyes, fine. If Indians shake their heads as they talk, great. The point is although they're different they're not being subjected to prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism.

So in conclusion, I do believe that there have been isolated cases of 'racism' in porn, but as a whole the business and all the people within it are not racist at all.

With that said this thread is pointless.

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