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Posted - Jul 2 2019 : 10:05PM
If South Africa had a prodigious porn industry, what might we learn about its national psyche? Porn is repressed in most of the world including the US for many reasons, and maybe one of those reasons is the potential for national embarrassment. It sure is interesting, what porn can reveal about a country.

Appreciating Pierre’s thoughts. Realistically, there’s going to be prejudiced people all over the world. Pierre, if I may, you are also from a country that jazz musicians flocked to decades ago to escape the racism of the US.

Personally, I think it’s important to be kind towards people who have racist attitudes. Not everyone has an upbringing or set of experiences that dispose them to being open to different races and cultures. The majority of the world (even with today’s internet) is insular. Being angry at an individual or placing ultimatums (generally, not necessary just what I see written here) isn’t going to solve anything. Actually, it backfires. And what’s wrong with being insular?

I very much like Maxxx Stirner’s thoughts about revamping the category. I think that’s a really novel idea.



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Posted - Jul 2 2019 : 11:56PM
nobody forces the performers to do IR if you don't like the raceplay element like rachel starr say don't do it plain and simple
then charge more for those compagnies who sells well too not just IR scenes
my problem is that you elude the question about racism in porn
performers like Ricky johnson live deal and talk about it
james deen as a producer deal with it etc
for me it's just not okay to have double standards even in porn

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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 12:41AM
^ lol boxlicker69 seems mad no one is fucking him. I have a question for you, since you think porn is a “job”:

Is it discriminatory if an 18 year old girl refuses to shoot a scene with a 70 year old man? Or would you accuse her of ageism?

Also, is it discriminatory if a straight man refuses to shoot a gay scene with another man? Or would you accuse him of being a homophobe?

In porn, the body is the product, so maybe you should respect with whom and when other people (men and women) decide to share their bodies with. If no one is fucking you, that’s your problem, not someone else’s.


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Posted - Jul 3 2019 : 1:51AM
Scroll up.

I flat out said it exists and it's unfortunate that it does. The difference is I'm willing to concede that while making another point, it isn't the only reason some women wait or refuse to do it, Rachel Starr being one of them.

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There's a quote on this smartbuydisc.ru from Jules Jordan where he has said that performers have tried to give him a higher quote than other companies.

Also, the problem with trying to charge Vixen/Lansky more than you charge other studios is that there's so much competition that if you do that without the prerequisite name recognition to go along with that, there's more than likely someone else who will do it for cheaper than you and, because Vixen is as strong of a brand as it is, bring in the same amount of traffic, and they will go with that person instead. This is why raising rates in general is something that only the most popular performers are willing to do.

Also, the same "they charge more not because of the act, but because of the traffic it brings" argument applies to first boy/girl scenes as well. And those are also the same scenes with the same sex acts Are you saying it's not fair to charge extra for those either? Thankfully, charging more for non-first IR scenes is a practice that seems to be dying out, but I don't really see a problem with charging extra for a scene that is pretty much guaranteed to bring more traffic to a site than a normal scene for them would.

 
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I'm saying that if we're going to have a "charge more for what makes more" conversation, then we need to acknowledge that (outside of "firsts") this is done for IR but not for other things.

Also, do we really think Evasive Angles makes more from their scenes than Brazzers does (regardless of IR or no IR)? No, I didn't think so either. But they fork over the extra "IR" cash.

I believe performers should be making more money overall, but this "charging more for IR" is not, nor has it ever been, about that.

The reason people charge more for IR is because, amongst the girls that shoot b/g porn, some subset of them don't work with black guys (for any number of reasons possibly) and so companies have to pay more for the girls that do.

Now, the real discussion should be how we wound up in this position in the first place. How did we wind up fetishizing porn between black men and white women so much? And how do we get out of this position now that we're here?

I'm going to refer everyone to my favourite ADT post, written by performer/director Nica Noelle. I won't copy the text here because if I do I know someone will quote it and it will accidentally be attributed to me at some point.

 
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I don't think Evasive Angel makes more than Brazzers , but likely their IR scenes make more than most of the others , also I don't think the wages of the models they hire are comparable to those Brazzers use.

as for Nica Noelle if I remember correctly I was there but I discussed with her many times not only about this of course, I'll check that thread to refresh my memory, it's usually good , but I don't remember the context nor what I said in the many replies in there

Edited by - LCF on 7/4/2019 1:41:29 AM


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Except that I already acknowledged that charging extra when it isn't a first is not a good thing, and both you and I acknowledged that it is a thing that has been dying over the last few years, with performers speaking out against it and some agencies declining to do it as an overall policy (and IIRC, some companies publicly stating that they won't shoot models that do it). You're arguing with me about something we actually agree on.

Also, discussion about "what you can charge more for based on popularity" also has a lot to do with your likelihood of being undercut (basically, how possible is it that the company will go out and hire someone else that's cheaper than you to do the same scene). The amount of people in the talent pool is a part of that equation, but so is the popularity of the performer, and the popularity of the site/producer for that matter. It's not just "this niche is more popular than that niche, so we should be able to charge more for those scenes than these because they obviously make more money".


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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 6:42AM
^ Responding to killbillvol69 above. ^


That post by written by performer/director Nica Noelle, cuts through all the crap and perfectly states the truth. Beautiful link. I love IR, but I hate the "here's some thugs, now they're going to violate this poor innocent blond White girl" type porn. I won't support those. IR where it's two people fucking is the best IR. I don't want to hear rap in the background, heck, music in porn is so 80's anyway. Casting Black co-stars with non-monstrous cocks would be good too.

Also, with social media, sometimes it's not too difficult to see which stars hold racist views and those who don't. You have to take off your beer-goggles, quit thinking with your dick and look past the tits and ass in order to do that in a few cases.


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I don't think this is as black and white as either side wants it to be. Yes, charging more/paying more for IR is a business choice. Yes, charging more/paying more for IR is a form of racism. Some people have chosen a side and want to judge things from that point of view but that doesn't make the counter argument wrong. I tend to believe how the porn biz got to the point of paying girls more for their first IR may have come about because of racism but at this point in time I tend to think it's just one of those things that has become the norm and it's just business as usual. My biggest problem with problem with the heart of this argument is the need to label a girl "racist" just because of her decision to hold off IR or charge more for it when we don't know the facts of why she has made the decisions she's made and don't know her personally.

I think in the past the idea of paying a girl more to do her first IR may have come from her being racist. It also may have come from her not wanting to do IR at that point in her career for what ever reason. Maybe it was because she was pacing her career, maybe her agent told her to wait or not to do it, maybe it was from spouse/boyfriend/family pressure. Whatever the reason if a studio/director thought they could make a big payday from having this girl do IR and was willing to make the investment in paying her more to reap the benefits. Does that make the director racist or is it a business decision? It might have been racist from the girls side but I think it was a business decision from the director's side. The girl doesn't want to have sex with a black guy (for whatever reason). The director studio wants to make as much money as they can and get people buzzing. We're concentrating on IR here but I'm pretty sure there have been other instances where a director had to pay a girl more to do something they were hesitant to do/try.

Fast forward to today. It's a different time with mindsets. Because of the groundwork started by the people who were willing to pay more for girls who didn't want to do IR at that point in time it's become the new normal. Is that a bad thing? It depends on your point of view and how you choose to spin it. If all you want to see is racism then yeah, paying a girl more to have sex with a guy because of his skin color is a horrible thing. On the flip side, if you look at it from the business mind set then you have no problem with it because...Yes, the studios reap the benefits of a girl doing IR for the first time and the girl absolutely should get more if she's the reason for other people profiting from her. Yes, if a director is willing to pay more money to make more money then it's only good business. Yes, if a studio has built a successful niche by having fan fav girls and first time IR and it takes paying more to keep high quality talent willing to work with them. Yes, if there's a fanbase out there that wants a steady stream of IR and first IRs and are willing to pay for it. So if the people want to only see the "racism" that may or may not even exist in every instance they're free to do so but it's a very narrow and simplistic view to take. Applying that "racism" point of view to every girl in every instance is simply unfair and often untrue.


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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 9:10AM
^ Very well said - taking a step back it's all shades of gray.

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Oh yeah, and another thing...While some of you claim IR sex is simply sex between 2 people and not a fetish or "sex act". It's great that you feel that way and you make a great point. However, since this is porn you're completely missing the point. In porn it's all about fetishes, fantasies, and niches, so for many people IR is fetish. Some people have fetishes that are totally un-PC. Some people want to see stereotypical IR interactions. Yep, not every porn fan wants to see sex between a white girl and a black guy having a simple politically correct encounter. Some people want to see a "thug" ravishing an innocent white girl. Is that messed up? Sure. But it's also messed up that some people want to see a girl getting slapped, spit on, and having painful anal sex but for some reason most people are more than fine with that. I don't think it's okay for people to be selective about what's an okay fetish to have in porn when most fetishes are messed up and twisted to some degree.

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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 10:59AM
For charging extra I’ve always said that if there were an objectively constituted extra large penis performer category(XL) I would not have an issue with charging extra. Some women have really tight holes and an 8/6 inch performer or larger might lead to some funny walking for some after the scene. In that context I don’t think charging extra would be an issue. The key is to make XL performers race neutral. Ditto with hyper masculine marketed male performers.

Race is a stupid concept to begin with regarding us sapiens. Race as a concept would make sense as differentiating sapiens(us Neanderthals ect) but it’s a stupid concept regarding what are relatively non subspecies different phenotypes and ancestral continental ethnicities. That’s an aside however.


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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 11:20AM
This may sound objective but it really would just lead to other problems. Since most black performers are hired mostly because of their size we'd just end up back with people seeing this as a race issue. If there's more money to be made for someone dealing with a bigger guy suddenly everyone will be thrown into this category to justify asking for more money. This is just as unfair as charging more for IR. Why would some director/studio want to pay a girl extra for taking a bigger penis when she's known for fisting? If it's seen as hazard pay, where's the hazard? What happens when all girls start saying they they're tight to justify more pay? What happens when this male is considered a XL performer but another who is close in size isn't? What happens when male performers start lying about their size to get more work. What happens when performers who sell themselves as big guys don't want their real stats out there?
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Yeah I think I've talked about this idea on ADT before somewhere. A racist business causes people to do things that seem racist, even if they aren't racist themselves. Because the whole business came to be what it is because of racism.

That's why in my post above I didn't label any girls as racist. I didn't even label any particular person (agent, producer etc) as racist. They're all trying to get by in a landscape created by racism.

But that's the problem. It's a landscape created by racism. We, as fans, performers, producers, agents, all of us, we need to fight to rebuild it.

As Angela Davis said, “In a racist society it is not enough to be non-racist, we must be anti-racist.”


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^ I'm glad you mentioned fans. I think the fans (some of them anyway...) play a big part in all this but are rarely mentioned.
 
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I did multiple times , those fans demanding first IR , incessantly asking for newcomers and freshly arrived in the Industry performers are those creating a market for a different rate, producers want to get them and they have to pay more, so be it .

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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 10:21PM
I want blacks to be treated respectfully and equally in porn in most ways when possible. But in this particular instance I don't see why things need to change. Who exactly is the practice of a studio paying a white girl more for IR hurting? The fans? Why are some people so upset that a girl gets paid more for this or whatever? Does that cost get passed on to them? Is their porn watching experience hurt by it? Are the scenes from these girls somehow inferior? Would the fans get as much IR or more if this practice wasn't in place? What wonderful things would happen if this practice stops other than those fans wanting it to change would be among the first to complain that they aren't seeing as much or any IR from certain girls. What's bad for the studios? Yeah, they may have to pay more money than they want to but if they couldn't afford to or didn't think it would be worth it...they wouldn't. They know what they can afford to pay and the payoff for it. If/when the industry can't sustain this or if at some point it becomes a bad business practice that doesn't get results, it will end. Plain and simple. How does it hurt the talent? The girls who don't want to charge more for IR don't have to. The ones that choose to I'm glad to hear it. The porn business is built off the back of these girls and they rarely reap the rewards in a real way. The nature of the business is that they need to make smart business choices to have a career and to sustain it because they're seen as disposable. And yeah, yeah, black women don't get to enjoy this type of payday but again from a business stance they simply aren't in demand as white women. Not fair but it's the nature of the business. Some may feel it's unfair that BBW women aren't as popular and get the opportunity that slim girls get. Everyone can't be treated/paid equally because everyone isn't in equal demand.

I'm black and of course I'd like to see equality across all races...in the real world. Porn isn't real life. It's a business creating fantasy scenarios for people with fetishes. Unfortunately, not all those fetishes appeal to everyone. Unfortunately, some of those fantasies are more popular than others. Unfortunately, it may take more money to get those fantasies on the screen than others. While it's a noble gesture to be concerned about race equality in porn I think it's a bit of a waste when it comes to this particular subject. I tend to think this is far down on the list of things that need to change when it comes to performers treatment.


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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 1:34AM
^

To answer a part of your question, yes, the lack of charging more for non-first IR scenes would probably result in more IR scenes in general, and I can tell you why I believe so. Because one of the things that tends to happen now is that that sites that aren't specifically dedicated to IR scenes have a tendency to shoot very few of them. Most of the IR scenes that come out nowadays are explicitly for sites or DVDs that focus on it. And a part of that reason is because unless your site focuses on that niche, the site generally doesn't have much to gain in terms of shooting the IR scenes, because you're not gonna get very many people joining to see you make a couple of them every month and a bunch of scenes they aren't really interested in. That, in turn, would mean that it's not worth it to pay more money to shoot their female performers in an IR scene. If you get rid of the surcharge, and make the rate the same as non-IR scenes, then sites lose that disincentive to shooting IR scenes, and they can shoot more of them along with their non-IR scenes as well.

Tl;dr: You won't end up with more IR focused sites or companies, but I believe that you will end up with more IR scenes from non-IR focused sites or companies mixed in with other scenes.


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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 6:14AM
I honestly am too ignorant of the matter to follow your discussions about the economics and the wages in porn... also I don't think it's the point of the discussion, nor what's more interesting.
Exactly, so the point is:
1) WHY THIS specific scenario, this racial fetish has become an obsession? Could be racism.
2) IF NOT racism what would be a reasonable explanation?

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Yes. Many of the people who watch mostly IR and join IR themed sites like IR for various "racist" reasons even if they don't admit it or even realize it. Some people are pretty upfront about it, others try to justify it by giving other reasons. Again, it's fantasy and I don't think it's a bad thing. But some people like IR because it mostly involve the biggest guys in porn and that's what they like watching. Some just like seeing interracial coupling.

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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 8:42AM
Ok, forgive me if this is coming out of left field here, but isn't the point of racism is that racists don't want Black men to be with White women at all? The history in the U.S. is full of events like bombing Black communities from the air or lynching Black men because how dare they slept with a White women. All the racists I encountered has no issues with White men being with Black women and women of Latino or Oriental descent, but a Black guy fucking or dating White women or of Latino or Oriental descent, now that's just a "step too far" and "unnatural". Total fucking hypocrites. I mean racists aren't known for consistency and critical thinking.

So the point I'm trying to make is that if the IR label was truly racist, that label would only apply to White men fucking every race but their own and wouldn't exist for Black men because they would be limited to fucking Black women. I can't be the only one who realizes this? I love that there is a demand for IR because without that demand, it probably wouldn't exist and we would still be living in the past.

edit: corrected a misspelling

Edited by - boxlicker69 on 7/5/2019 8:47:30 AM


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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 9:13AM
You make a good point, perhaps the conversation should be framed as being rooted in stereotypes instead of racism. The stereotype itself is rooted in a racist past but I agree that a black man having sex with a white woman can hardly be called racist by the conventional standards of 2019. You missed one key point however, racism is rooted in the belief that one race is superior to another, which is why a racist white guy has no problem seeing a black woman have sex with a white man, but flip it around and he goes berzerk - it's not hypocrisy, it's that blacks are beneath whites so the black woman is "in her place" while the white woman is being victimized by an inferior.

The good news is that those archaic viewpoints of someone being inferior to someone else based solely on skin tone will eventually fade away, but it takes many generations to do so.


More importantly, I'd like to know more about the history of government air raids in black communities here in the US...

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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 9:29AM
Or to a racist who also is a sadist and like to see women humiliated to have sex with a black man is the most humiliating thing you can force a woman to do and this might be why the thug scenario the hard race play is so popular , even to those who like the cuckolding thing on a masochistic point of view , you can't fall lower than that , being mocked by a black man fucking your wife who finds him worthier than you even.

I'm advocating against those kind of play I have nothing against anybody's fantasy and tastes, but a true revolutionary thing in there would be a regular , normal couple having sex.

but this is very rare.


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Yes, we have been getting better contrary to what a few loud and outspoken individuals in the media would have us to believe. Sad that stereotypes persist in this day and age...

. Interesting read.

It is also sad that seems to be a rarity in mainstream porn. Amateur porn, however, is full of those thankfully, but isn't the subject of this smartbuydisc.ru I'm pretty sure.
 
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I think it is , the question is about the viewers , those obsessed with IR , the fact that such scenes aren't more in demand speaks volumes

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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 2:29PM
I'd never heard of that, thank you for posting it. I don't see any relevance to today's society, considering it was an isolated event a hundred years ago, but it was indeed a good read.
 
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Context is a wonderful thing.
 
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It's probably not the people who are so racist that they preach "racial purity" who are watching black man/white woman porn. (Though maybe they do too, I don't know.)

It's probably the next level down. Those who don't consider themselves to be racist, but actually hold many racist views. To many of them, black people (although again, they would probably never say this) are somewhat inferior. Thus, a white woman having sex with a black man is somehow seen as "dirtier" or "nastier" than having sex with a white man. I mean I've seen tons of IR scenes where that's actually part of the dialogue. "Or you're going to be doing something really nasty today, aren't you? Why don't you tell the fans what's going to happen today" says the director. "I'm going to be doing my first IR scene today" the girl says, with lust in her eyes.


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Posted - Jul 6 2019 : 4:35AM
I think as long as you retire the racialist tropes and stop devaluing black women and selectively hiring and valuing black men in the process you solve the problem. It would be disproportionately black men who measure in the XL and up category but as long as it's about XL and XLD as opposed to IR and BBC I don't think you have the same issues. The thing about charging is that it's a two way street, both from the producer/directors end and the performer. The producers of XL and larger content are not going to offer extra money to every girl and there will be women who will be enthusiastic about doing an XL scene much like there are those who love IR and are one with the fans of that genre. In terms of someone being 7.875/5.75(lets say the XL minimum is 8/6) you could just round out in certain cases as visually and measurably it's close enough. There would be objective measurements done by modeling agencies much like what exists in more professional modeling so the lying and embellished self-reporting would not be on.

There are actually girls out there who are tight lying aside and it would be a harder day at the office when taking on someone bigger. Holly Randal mentioned that there was a girl that was initially not able to take in Rob Piper until he put her at ease and the scene was a success. I'm ok with women(and men) having the option to do this particularly when you consider what porn sex is.


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^ True. Believe it or not, black people are really marginalized even in South/Central american countries. But, I think the media has a lot to blame for that. Normally, stuff that has been on mainstream media has painted with way too much stereotypes for black people, which have made even non whites like the majority of South/Central America to have something against them. Maybe not in person, but definitely on a subconscious level.

It doesn't helps when porn plays so much with those same stereotypes. Like, how many times a chick wanting a BBC goes to a park on the middle of a urban city to search for a black guy on a basketball court?


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Posted - Jul 9 2019 : 5:22AM
That's because you're racist. Believe it or not, not everyone shares your repugnant views including the majority of the U.S. Yes, there is a very vocal racist group that will always exist, but each year their numbers grows smaller and smaller.

NotSoSubtle, you need to get out more. Central and South America is a melting pot of different races and those who are marginalized are, surprise: poor people.


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Posted - Jul 9 2019 : 5:32AM
Hi, first of all, I get out enough to know my own country (a C America one) so unless you're from here, I can actually assure you plenty a lot of people see black people with stereotypes, and sometimes, marginalize them as such. So don't worry into trying to give me lectures into what my own people think (the majority) of black people :) which is ironic considering the majority of the people here aren't white. But there's that marginalization nonetheless. And yup, poor people are also marginalized, but I think that applies for a lot of countries.

Edited by - NotSoSubtle on 7/9/2019 5:33:26 AM


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Funny you should mention you're from a country in Central America where I travel a lot to and there are plenty of Black people who don't fit the stereotype and have good presence in the media and hold high positions in government. One good example is the Vice President of Costa Rica who is not only Black but is also a woman. Imagine that. So unless you happen to be in one of those "gringo" communities which tries to seclude themselves from the local populations, most people don't hold racist stereotypical views and are welcoming to all types.

Most people I've encountered while traveling loves the previous President of the U.S. and absolutely loathe the current one. Should be noted that it doesn't apply to the wealthy "gringos" traveling for business or sex pleasure.

I see Black guys dating and are married to every race in Central America. Even more so than the U.S.

IR is cool, IR is popular and IR makes the world go round and plenty of porn stars who have done IR made very successful careers in porn.


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I mean,you can say all you want you know for sure 100% the central/South America people so much because you travel, see a black person in a position of power (which doesn't helps your argument considering the US had a black president and as you can see, there's still plenty of racism)

Like, yeah you can keep saying whatever you want to keep thinking subconscious stereotyping doesn't exist here because you travel a lot (lol) but do you think that because people despises Trump and loves Obama doesn't holds a stereotype against black people? Ha, man, you still naive at this point. If you really wanted to open your eyes, you should see just how much people here have that subconscious thing inside them in part, thanks to the media.


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Posted - Jul 9 2019 : 4:19PM
Shugs. You see what you want to see. My experience is obviously different from yours (yours being the doom and gloom, everybody's racist) and hell yeah I'm glad mine is different. It's a big world out there. Not here to change your mind on anything. IR porn rocks. Cheers.

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Posted - Jul 10 2019 : 8:17PM
When there is so much discussion by everyone on “black on white/asian/latino” IR porn but hardly any discussion on “white/Asian/latino on black or other combinations” IR porn just goes to show that “race of the woman” is a critical factor in porn.

It’s quite well known that white women (on average) are paid a lot more (don’t believe them if they say otherwise). If racism isn’t so ripe in the porn industry, then this pay gap wouldn’t exist.

Racism exists throughout the industry and also in everyone if they enjoy “black on white/Asian/latino” porn more than “white/Asian/latino on black” porn


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Aren't asian girls paid more since there is not a lot of them?
 
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I don't think so , maybe some in high demand like Alina Li was, but they still sell less than white girls

anyway , I don't see any thug here, the company isn't one of the "big" but is a well established who dig on the thug are a lot in the past (the Gangland series and also tried something different with their "Black Stepdaddy" series and in a way trying to break stereotypes with their shortlived "Whitezilla" series and now another step in the right direction
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This is a common mistake and oversight people make. Specifically why I used the word “average” because I knew these comments would be coming.

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So now if someone enjoys IR content they're a racist?

Please let me know who I'm supposed to be racist against when watching a scene, do we go by the color of the male or the female, and what if neither share the same skin color that I do?


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 1:44PM
^ lol someone’s mad ^

Maybe read my post in full before spewing out a nonsense post.

I “specifically” said that if you “specifically” enjoy “black on other race” porn more than “other race on black” porn, then yes that’s a racist attitude to have.


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 1:55PM
Not mad, my friend, just confused by the broad application of the word. Whether you like BMWF more than WMBF is irrelevant, it's still a white performer with a black performer. If I'm not attracted to Asian male performers but like Asian females how does that make me a racist if I still watch Asian females in scenes?

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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 3:36PM
^ there we go. Differing racial preferences. You answered your own question and when applied across a population therein answers the original topic of this thread.
 
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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 3:51PM
Hence the question from the OP


preferring or disliking a whole race over another despite any individual differences , could be seen as racism. The OP says that the IR obsession of the viewers is inherently racist


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 3:56PM
^^ Maybe read my post in full before spewing out a nonsense post.

How am I racist against asians if I prefer to not watch asian men but do like asian women? You make zero sense - you can't slap the label on everyone just because they find beauty/attraction on one side moreso than the other.

I have zero issues with IR porn but I don't find many black female performers attractive. It isn't because I'm a bigot, it's a personal preference in taste that doesn't affect ALL black women or all black men. Your idiotic stance is that everyone must enjoy every possible match up in porn equally otherwise the viewer is a racist.

It doesn't get any stupider than that.

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