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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:00PM
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I don't know but Caucasian women who like black women but not black men are deemed racist.
Also a great deal of owners did have a like for their female slaves say Thomas Jefferson ,they were still racist, weren't they?

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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:13PM
The first part is just racial shaming, there have been plenty of pornstars who get called out for not performing with black costars who are involved with black men/women in their personal lives. It says more about the people screaming the loudest than it does about the person in question.

To your second point, it's a gray area. By the standards of our time yes it was incredibly racist and horrible, by the standards of the 1700's it was business as usual - I wasn't around 200+ years ago to know how society looked at 'slaves' versus 'blacks' versus 'black slaves.' I just say it was fucked up and I'm glad we ended that chapter in our country's history. As far as sex back then - if Jefferson banged slavegirls because they were black and to keep other blacks cowered or in line, then yeah that was racist by today's standard. If he did it because a slave was legit attractive and it wasn't coerced... it was still kinda fucked up because he was in a position of power, but if she wasn't threatened into doing it... who knows?

This is why we shouldn't look too far into the past - how far do you go to find transgressions?

Getting back to 2019 though - I don't understand the idea that it's an all or nothing deal in porn otherwise you get a ridiculous label.


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:15PM
Oh God "facepalm"! That wasn't smart. This is why so such stigma exist in the industry among black performers in general, and why there's not a lot of black female performers around in the industry. I bet there's many black female models just as attractive or more attractive than white female models. It could be really attractive African American females or Black Latinas. They are out there but they never get hired. The problem is that America (or the western part of society) is dominated by the European standard of beauty and the African/Black standard of beauty is falsely labeled, and it goes much deeper than this but I won't get into detail for now.

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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:18PM
^ exactly the reason why we all have “racial” preferences. Trying saying what you just said - “I don’t find many black women attractive” out in public, I’m sure you’d be labeled the R-word.

Done with this.

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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:26PM
By all means go into it - I find Diamond Jackson ridiculously hot, Teanna Trump not far behind, and there's a slew of black softcore girls that put them both to shame. It isn't a >facepalm< moment to say there haven't been many that I find attractive, it's honest because the same goes for asian performers, it's personal preference and that isn't inherently anything other than neutral. The market reflects it as well and you cannot shame, cajole, or otherwise twist someone's arm into changing what they find objectively beautiful. You act as if there is some hidden Wakanda of uber-hot black women trying to break into the industry and they're being rejected because some chipped-tooth redhead from Duluth wants first crack at BangBus - not so my friend. The porn industry is an endless vortex of openings for women wanting to get into it, are you really suggesting that black women aren't given a chance to fuck on camera?

And what does it say about you when you're unwilling to accept that someone doesn't find EVERYONE attractive, seriously think about how unrealistic that is.


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:34PM
Please be done with this, we'll be better for it. Before you go, please let me know how to explain to my family how I'm racist against them because I don't find all whites attractive, namely most pale-skinned redheads, because it'll be hard to have that talk on Labor Day.
 
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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:42PM
She wasn't , when in Paris right after the French Revolution it was made clear that no slavery would have been tolerated, if she wanted she could just have said she was a slave and wanted freedom, the French would have granted that without blinking.
She stayed with him, she came back with him even. In Paris they lived like a couple , in the open, nobody gave a fuck, the Revolutionary principles were strong at that time.

Anyway I didn't go far as you see , many nazis did fuck the Jewish , this doesn't mean they weren't racist.

To like someone doesn't proof that the one who does isn't racist, being racist and to like and fuck someone of another race aren't mutually exclusive , they can very well coexist, in fact they did throughout history , including today , there was a former ppornstar who was expelled from the white supremacists group she was member with because she fucked black men while in porn. It was work! She said, to no avail apparently. But the fact is back then she didn't have any problem with fucking black men on set , still she was a racist.

Edited by - LCF on 7/11/2019 4:44:00 PM


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 4:59PM
^ By the same token though, you can't assume someone is a racist simply because they will or won't do something that someone else thinks they should do. My sister never dated a black man, is she racist? Using the logic that some of the other esteemed members of the community are using she could be called racist toward asians, indians, natives, arabs, etc... or perhaps she simply fell in love and married the second guy she dated and that was that.

The problem bubbling up now is that we have people in this thread calling others racist because they don't have the same values or expectations that they want projected onto everyone else. And those projections aren't based on anything other than the color of someone's skin, which is pretty much half of the definition of being a racist themselves.

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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 5:33PM
Lol.. dude.. I’m not the person who has been bestowed with the honor to define racism. Like I said, go out in public and say you’re not attracted to most black women, and “SOCIETY” would label you a racist, not me.

I personally don’t care about people’s racial preferences and believe everyone has a right to their own racial preferences in real life. But here we are talking about porn, and we’re talking about the industry as a whole, not your individual life. If you don’t like pale-skinny redheads that’s fine, but why is a porn girl labeled racist if she’s not attracted to black men and doesn’t want to work with them? While you might think she’s not a racist, “society” would label her a racist. And with this underlying racist imperative comes the need for these people to watch “a black male penetrate a white female as a sign of ‘conquering’ her. The fact that we have a site named “blacked” in itself should mean something here. It also alludes into the sphere of “white women are more attractive than black women”. Again, say this out in public, and see how “society” reacts to you.

The drivers for interracial porn are the underlying racist tones where white women are often portrayed as the “princess”, the innocent GND etc, and black men often as “thugs” who now get to fuck the uppity princess. Go look at all the IR porn titles and you’ll clearly see the kind of audience it targets.

Also.

Explain why the average white female performer is paid a lot more than the average black performer?

Explain why “IR” largely only applies to scenes with a black person?

Explain reasons why we have websites called “blacked”, “blacksonblondes”, “watching my daughter go black” etc

Explain why in a large number of cases, white females are paid higher for “IR”.


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Posted - Jul 11 2019 : 6:07PM
Why would it matter what society says about my personal thoughts in the context of the porn industry - and who walks around talking about it? Hypothetically being called a racist means as much to me as hypothetically winning the lottery.

To your questions, those are easy:

1)Perhaps they appeal to more people in the market, if DVD's starring black women, asian women, etc... drove DVD sales or sub numbers more than white performers you'd see those same women commanding higher pay. Econ 101.
2)IR as a category is an easy way to filter or +/- sort a scene or DVD based on something as indelible as skin color. Many mass DVD sites use it to refine exactly what is looked for within the tagged content on a DVD or scene.
3)That's "raceplay", which isn't inherently racist - if it were then it'd be aimed toward whites being subjugated to blacks... and surely that doesn't support your narrative. The cuck fantasy is still about black domination, ie white inferiority.
4) See above.

The world is gray, attributing every perceived slight or inequity as racism cuts the legs out from under things that actually are racist in nature. The four things you listed could very well ALL be racist in nature, they could all NOT be racist, or any combination in between. I choose to see it for what it really is, driven by money not by bigotry or disdain for blacks, asians, etc... pornographers are in the business to make money, period.

 
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Posted - Jul 12 2019 : 2:22AM
BTW milky skinned , freckled redheads are my favourite of all, a red hairy pussy alone can harden me already

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Posted - Jul 12 2019 : 10:43AM
That's because you're a racist.

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Posted - Jul 12 2019 : 1:32PM
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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 10:37AM
Alina Lopez in Twitter:

"Can I just rim a black dude without the photos/clips ending up on sites and twitter accounts dedicated to “black revenge” and “white bitches knowing their place” 🙄 it doesn’t matter what color me or the person is we just want to lick each others butts in peace. damn"

"I can’t make everyone happy. If I stopped working for every company that used the word IR in titles I would never get to work with any black performers. Then I would get called racist by fans for not doing IR which is untrue."

"Not all performers are in a stable enough situation to be turning down work. It’s not that simple. But I agree that change needs to happen."

Edited by - Lulubell on 7/16/2019 10:42:13 AM

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 1:39PM
The Visuals
with white women, it's easier to see a dark brown dick going in and out of her. It's clearer to see what's going on in the flick.

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 1:43PM
 
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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 1:43PM
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It's clearer all the same with a black woman and a white dick expecially a fat one

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 2:34PM
if you are looking to see dick then yes.

White canvas makes it easy to see the the holes and nipples bouncing.

however, with Black Women, you have all colors and shades so there are exceptions.

White men on Black women is just boring to me. It lacks power and magnetism.

All Black would be great if it's directed right and nasty enough. Black women are not as loosely nasty as Whites women on video.

But Black men come off as more aggressive and powerful when paired up with the more submissive and dainty White women.

Black Women are more aggressive and in control. She's not going to usually let you do but so much.

White women just seem to take it. And these are some of the reasons why IR with Black men on White women is more popular.


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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 3:09PM
>edited<

Nvm

Edited by - upsux on 7/16/2019 3:09:40 PM

 
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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 3:59PM
As for the second part it's just stereotype
Black men more aggressive ?
You gotta be kidding me, the main reason why I begun to watch IR movies was that they performed the opposite of the white talents
Say , spitting in the face , hitting, chocking , gagging , black talent only begun recently to do such things and still a lot less than an average gonzo movie

Legal Porno is an european company and yet the most aggressive ones are the whites

Black women are not advertised enough as sex bombs even when they are , and it's not true about their nastiness I don't remember any white star who only performed anal like Nikara did , I mean no vaginal at all, not once.
Monique was performing DP long before it become popular
I don't even have to mention Skin Diamond one of the nastiest ever.
As for the rest I strongly suggest you to watch Ana Foxxx , not only she is extremely attractive but also as nasty and as good as any white, actually a lot better in many cases


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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 4:19PM
I'm talking about sexually aggressive. Hitting and spitting doesn't make them aggressive,it just makes it wild and abusive. No need to do all that when the dick is all that's needed to do damage
The domesticated ones i don't consider. They just don't have that Black Appeal. They are too much in that world.
Nah i'm good on that. A good example of a full package would be Jada Fire, Kitten, and Jasmine Cashmere. Aurora aka Nikara is good too. There just isn't enough high quality nasty all Black flicks.

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 4:30PM
^ Domesticated, ffs.



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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 4:36PM
Yes. They have a european appeal to them. More acceptable in a white dominated society. like they lost their bark. easily used by white america.
 
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Jesus fuck. Can we stop with the racial stereotyping please?
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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 9:23PM
are you saying that it's all the same and there are no differences ?
is skin complexion the only difference ?
let's be honest
 
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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 9:44PM
^ I'm saying that if you tell me "Black Women are more aggressive and in control" or any of the other statements you made, then you're going to have to accompany that statement with definitive, scientific proof. Otherwise I'm going to call you on it every time.

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 10:01PM
Might want to specify between domesticated black women or the others, don't want to derail what will surely be a Pulitzer winning response.

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Posted - Jul 16 2019 : 10:53PM
Perhaps there's a good reason why you cannot see that. For a lot of us, it's obvious.
I don't need "scientific Proof", and you don't have to agree or see it the way i see it.
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 1:52AM
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I dated black women , and aside their personal differences , they were no different than any other woman I've been with also with their individual differences, some more passionate than others.

And before you come up with "domestication" (really?) again , know that they were pure African breed.


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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 1:55AM
I think most of the time people confuse what comes from cultural background with skin color

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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 1:58AM
"Pure African Breed" you say ?

OK

So what is an unpure african breed ?


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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 2:10AM
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You're the one who brought up "domestication" referred to human beings

What I meant was coming right from Africa with African parents and relatives whose culture and especially their sexual culture and behaviour are basically still the African way.


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Of course it's not true of every woman but in my experience white women are more likely to show public displays of affection and are more touchy feely in general. They tend to be more open to showing affection than most black women are. Black women tend to be more laid back and not into being all over a guy the way some white women are. But that's from my experience and I'm not saying it's true for all women.
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 8:45AM
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You know that's true , not always of course but it's true but I think it's cultural ,many asians are the same at least in my experience
 
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The only difference between black women and white women is skin pigmentation (at that black women have had an even harder history than white women). Cease this racist bullshit.

And while we are at it quit the misogynist bullshit as well, we need to stop using the term domesticated for any women in this thread (or elsewhere on this site).

If any of this applies to you, do yourself a favor as a human being and become educated.


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LCF with the Euro flag has to be an act. Everything they type is laced with irony.
 
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The only weird thing you find here is my flag?
As a matter of fact Iìm French-Italian and yes I am European, I put that flag after the terrorist attack in Paris and Nice and the fact that there was a european response against them, some were arrested and killed in Belgium, one was killed in Italy , some were identified by the Greek Police and so on.
Under the European Flag is a latin motto: Non Prevalebunt meaning "they will not prevail" they being the terrorists and us being Europe

Edited by - LCF on 7/18/2019 1:04:59 AM


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Posted - Jul 18 2019 : 5:52AM
While avoiding the mud-slinging above, I do agree that a preference for a particular racial characteristic is not in itself racist. My problem isn't with people who tend not to find most black/white/asian/whatever people sexy. It's how different races are sometimes portrayed that is the problem. Racism is about attitudes, not sexual preferences.



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MOD:
I'm glad you at least recognized you were violating moderation by posting this. You are finished in this thread.

Edited by - flash on 7/18/2019 12:43:15 PM

 
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I didn't visit this thread for a while, but...holy shit. This took a more racist, misogynistic turn than my little brain could have fathomed.

Having read what Draxxx wrote though, I do have a book rec for him (sorry if I suggested this already), and anyone else interested: . Speaks to a bunch of concerns raised and is great too.


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MOD:
It is possible to discuss racism without having to prove one is a racist. You were not able to. Cease posting in this thread and cease posting racist bullshit anywhere on the smartbuydisc.rus.

Edited by - flash on 7/18/2019 12:40:24 PM


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It is possible to discuss racism without having to prove one is a racist. You were not able to. Cease posting in this thread and cease posting racist bullshit anywhere on the smartbuydisc.rus.

Edited by - flash on 7/18/2019 12:35:16 PM


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Also, it's interesting to note how little (or at all) the main subject of this thread was actually discussed. The OP was talking about those people whose racism makes them obsessed with IR porn. I also agree with his example. that plenty of those so called IR "lovers" naively show their racism with some misplaced tweets or attitudes.

There's a blog whose name I won't mention because it could be kind of offensive. I found the blog while searching stuff from Leah Gotti and Rob Piper, and to my surprise, at first sight it doesn't appears so, but the person behind that blog, and the people that support it show blatant racism and at the same time they say there are TOTALLY not racist.

They follow a similar pattern in which they label this stuff like if the girls where doing something bad or degrading. But at the same time you will see how they obsessively ask pornstars (and funny enough, only white pornstars) to do IR. Almost all their request are bound specifically just to IR.

I think is not a casualty that a lot of these people on social media follow a similar pattern. Though, there are some rare exceptions.


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Posted - Aug 3 2019 : 1:57PM
I know that black women was a hot topic in this thread and guys were talking about seeing more of them. Demi Sutra explained why you might not be seeing them as often.



It also seems that other have said they have heard similar things if you scroll through.

Edited by - blkknight1 on 8/3/2019 1:58:57 PM

 
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Posted - Aug 3 2019 : 3:00PM
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I'm one of those who were asking for more black girls , still do but I see some problems there , if you're not labeled IR then you're going to appear into mainstream sites and those site must appeal to a majority of customers if they exceed one way or another they're going to lose money.


We've been asking for more black girls on Blacked, Vixen and so, apparently those turning down their presence were the IR fans and expecially the black ones , they tried for a while then they stopped

They are not going to sell scenes their own customers don't want and actually shun to make a statement, same for some black guys some people don't like and they are very loud about this so why risk money over that?

Also I'd like to know if there are other quotas , Milf quotas, curvy quotas, teen quotas, stocking quotas and so on, I believe there are

Edited by - LCF on 8/3/2019 3:02:23 PM

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Demi is just talking FACTS, already told you that "IR" is 100% a MACHO category, the only thing it matters there is the black man, who is always the wandering gang member who messes with the white woman, always the young lady who has money just creating a bad stereotype about race differences and social class in addition to a morbo/bussiness today, of course...

And I see LOTS of people asking them in social media if they could put Ana Foxxx in Blacked more often and you can see what's happening next: nothing...

I'm glad Demi is working LOTS in a mainstream company like Brazzers, which in this situation, is the first big comapny opened about stop labeling scenes as "IR" along with Digital Playground (btw I don't remember this beeing posted in any mainstream porn web magazine like AVN for example) and where literally work with every single girl in the industry, don't matter race, weight, height, tattoos, natural or nah, age or whatever... Just when some of you here pretend to imply that Mindgeek is in "doubts" about working with black stars...

Edited by - Lulubell on 8/3/2019 5:34:52 PM


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Posted - Aug 3 2019 : 6:07PM
I suppose it isn't possible she isn't getting work because she isn't a draw... gotta be racism.

Studios are under zero obligation to cast her simply because she's bored, if there was a clamor of people asking for her to be shot and the studio can make money doing it they'd sure as shit shoot and release her scene.

Porn is a business, not a charity. Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the porn business, but until then...

 
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^ I'm not sure you read her specific complaint. The directors want to shoot her, and I imagine it's because they know it would be a draw (no one wants to shoot a scene that doesn't do well), but their higher-ups have actually given them a max black girl quota for the month.

This isn't about Demi and how much of a draw she may or may not be if the scene actually got shot. This is much bigger than that.

 
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Posted - Aug 4 2019 : 1:34AM
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unless they have quotas for everything , as I said :curvy girls, teenes, milfs , lesbians and so on in such case it's a marketing choice,if the only quota that is is black girls or Ir then it could very much be racism
 
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Posted - Aug 4 2019 : 1:46AM
Actually they tried but they got a lot of negativity in the comments not just her, Kira Noir too ,it was so strong they had to stop , I can tell as I was one of those challenging tthat negativity and actually asking for more , but the "like/dislike2 for single post literally overwhelmed mine and skyrocketed theirs , so...

As for Mindgeek nobody ever accusedthemof having doubts but it's a fact that those stars under brazzers contract or agreement with Brazzers never shot IR with them at least before the Mindgeek take over , they do have some sites devoted to black girls intheir network though and are possibly the only ones hiring those black phat assed girls everybody else ignore completely

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