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^^ If there's a max black girl quota there better be a max white girl quota too, otherwise I'm still calling it racism.

Even if there is a quota for both, it's still fucked.

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I don't think they have a max white quota otherwise there wouldn't be a "max" quota but just "a quota" if there's a max means that if it doesn't reach such max some other would fill it ,but they could have a max redhead quota, a max inked girls quota , possibly a max asian quota or a max Latino quota or a max PAWG quota , a max slim titted quota a max fake tits quota (hopefully) , I don't know maybe they shoot any kind of content and must update regularly every niched site of their network thus the monthly budget only allows so many scenes and no more, hence the quotas.
Or possibly they have to be careful because if the site is perceived as an IR site they may lose those customers not interested
So if she insists on being only in mainstream porn and refuses the label IR then the chances might shrink even further

We don't know all the variables but only her twitter rants focused on her particular situation.

 
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I don't give a shit about the skin color of a performer , neither of them they could be of any race or color I literally can't care less so to me everything looks like bull, even what I ve written myself above a hot woman is a hot woman and she stays hot whoever she's fucking with
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My point was that the quota exists because the studio isn't going to release scenes that their base doesn't want. Those directors aren't just shooting willy nilly and the studio just releases it based on first come first serve. The sites are unnamed but the fans must not want to see constant or repeated updates with performers like Demi - nothing wrong with that, just personal preference - so the powers that be only post a few scenes in that 'genre' so that fans that do like her content are happy but the majority aren't turned away. I'd imagine the same can be said with any genre on any site, they know what sells and that's where they concentrate their production efforts. It doesn't necessarily mean it's racism, it's just economics. Paying customers expect to be served what they want to see and the people running the sites have to decide to provide what sells or provide what doesn't sell - in this case Demi doesn't sell.

And on some level it actually does reflect on Demi being a draw or not - if she were as popular as she thinks or wants to be then there would be more demand to see her which leads to more scenes. A hot commodity is a hot commodity, the scene limit would be raised if the money justified it being raised.


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no. I have never activated signatures here in this smartbuydisc.ru, but you might have to check the "Check here to include your profile signature" box below the post form every single time, because in the profile I donít see a switch for making his permanent.

Also, I had to google this "Sco pa tu manaa?" phrase from Aiden RileyÖ Iím getting too old for this.

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If studios really do have a max black girl quota (and I'm saying if because I've never heard of this prior to tonight) then consider these things. Maybe there is a large demand for her, but because she came into town on the 20th of the month, studios had already shot all the black girls they were allowed to that month. Maybe they would rather have shot her (or some other black girl) than the black girls they shot already. Maybe they know for sure that shooting her would bring in more money than the black girls they shot already. But their hands have been tied by their superiors.

If you have a max black girl quota, and you've already filled it, then the next shoot you do will be with some white (or I guess non-black) girl, who knows who. Maybe that girl's scene does better than what Demi's scene could have done. Maybe it doesn't. But you won't know, because you didn't shoot Demi. So you're more likely to take a chance on this non-black girl simply because she is not black, than you would on Demi, whom you have zero chance of shooting (this month anyway).

Also, if there really is a max black girl quota, do you think the studios have it down to such a hard science that they know for sure, that if they added one girl past the quota in a given month, that they'd lose money (or at least make less than they would otherwise)? What if that last scene knocks it out of the park? Will they still lose business? Surely their fan base isn't anti-black girls, otherwise their max black girl quota wold be zero. So their customers do like scenes with black girls, or at least enough of their customers do in order to make it worth shooting some black girls. Do they really know that shooting one more would kill them? They can't possibly.


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To your first point, that's just poor planning and communication. Considering what I see on social media with performers constantly saying where they'll be for work I can't see her arriving in LA only to be turned down by studios because "oh shit we didn't know you'd be here." After all, scenes aren't shot the day before we see them so if they wanted Demi content for future release nothing stops them from shooting it now and publishing it later. Assuming there isn't a backlog already that hits the quota limit, like you I'll assume there actually is a quota for the sake of conversation. Also, the directors have a much better grasp on who will sell more given the chance to shoot a Demi or Teanna scene versus a lesser-known starlet. For three of them (in this case) to knowingly choose a lesser draw within the confines of a quota makes poor financial sense and I can't see a large studio trusting decisions to people who could blow such an easy call.

Your second point is well made and I don't believe it's down to a hard science at all either. But I think that money talks loudest and if she had a pattern of blowing expectations out of the water it would make sense to shoot more with her. Those blown expectations would be fan feedback, movie sales, etc... and those can be used as a direct metric for success or popularity. But that goes back to what I said about providing content people want. If scenes with models like Demi made more money or prompted more positive feedback from the customer base than say a scene with Marica Hase or Madison Ivy we'd see more scenes with Demi and less with Marica and Madison. That doesn't mean the studio or fanbase hate asians or plastic, it just means Demi is what people want more of and the studio is cashing in as any good business would.

I will (generally) always defer to the simplest most consistent reason why things happen. There are much more basic and plausible reasons to attribute her not getting the amount of work she wants before we jump to it must be racism.

 
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Looks broken Italian could be "Motherfucker"

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I think it really is a matter of money balance , they could have shot Demi and put her the next month if there's a monthly quota for updates but this would put a minus one shot for the month after that

And I don't think they knew exactly who went in instead of her maybe it was Riley Reid,but I think really it is a matter of budget when you run a network and you feed an annual budget divided per months you just give some general rules I'd bet none of executives ever said "choose an obscure white starlet instead of a black one in demand" that would be idiotic , They give an estimate evaluating the sales or the choices made by the customers from their previous year and set their budget for each variations or set up.

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"As for Mindgeek nobody ever accusedthemof having doubts but it's a fact that those stars under brazzers contract or agreement with Brazzers never shot IR with them at least before the Mindgeek take over"

Abella Danger? Megan Rain? Nicolette Shea? Last year, Lela Star? Karmen Karma? Aria Alexander was a DP contract star and she did a scene with Isiah Maxwell for example...

I mean in Brazzers, if YOU want to work with a black dude, you can do it... If you're talking about Madison Ivy or Kimmy Granger, ok but they never did it, even when they were out of contract so it's fair to ask this to these stars directly without having to put a company in this...

It's as if Alexis Texas had a contract with Brazzers and you say "she doesn't want to do IR because she's with Brazzers" No sir, it's not like this, Alana Croft IR gangbang was shoted for Brazzers in 2015 "City School Gangbang" so, there is no before and after possible here, it was always the same line about IR...

Edited by - Lulubell on 8/4/2019 10:47:11 AM

 
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Very simple question because you apparently cannot understand what time does mean and obviously not prior nor after , WHEN Mindgeek BOUGHT Brazzers ? When Mindgeek bought Digital Playground?

Because you know with the old owner neither Nikki Benz nor Capri Cavanni ever shot an IR just saying and Capri especially did IR as soon as offered BEFORE her agreement with Brazzers , again BEFORE Mindgeek bought it

Aria Alexander was a Mindgeek owned DP contract star, besides she did plenty IR before , I believe she said on an interview (Captain Jack) she lost her virginity to a black man

You keep excusing and justifying the new Mindgeek owned Brazzers that nobody is accusing of anything as repeteadly said

in Latin there's a say Excusatio non petita accusatio manifesta (giving unrequested excuses makes apparent there's something to excuse)
Perhaps you know something we don't know?

Edited by - LCF on 8/4/2019 11:25:18 AM

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Actually it was the stars who said the company never proposed them any IR and when asked nothing ever happened except in one case it was Stoya who LITERALLY blackmailed them is they didn't make her shoot an IR scene.
I keep talking about the former owner and you keep talking about the current owner and keep mentioning stars that never had a contract with the older owner and who also had already shot plenty of scenes before they signed .

Brazzers itself didn't allowed their contract stars to shoot IR until Mindgeek took over I even made examples , put names in it, notably Capri Cavanni shot IR before and after but never in the middle , very odd, Nikki Benz did IR basically first thing in the morning as she came out of contract, same for Sophia Santi out of DP she even signed with Justin Slayer , again very odd she didn't want while signe but suddenly feels the urge as she came out?

your unsolicited and completely biased defense on Mindgeek is rather odd, they had nothing to do with this it was THE FORMER OWNER!

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I'm really getting tired here, Janine wasn't a contract star anymore at that point, Nikki Benz did her IR scene with Brazzers well after her Jungle Fever at Evil Angel , Capri Cavanni wasn't under contract I always said agreement she was one of the most hired stars at Brazzers at that time was an Image girl . Kayden Kross after she married Manuel Ferrara didn't shoot with any other male , so saying she didn't perform IR is just pretextuous she didn't perform with anybody but her husband, plus went on hiatus due to her pregnancy all those stars you mentioned are from the Mindgeek Era.
Stoya had to blackmail them to do ONE scene , and even though she was of the same litter as Jesse, Riley , Teagan (yet another contract star who stopped doing IR instantly the very moment she signed with DP) and Kayden Stoya was a class on her own as a matter of fact she was regularly performing anal and double penetrations wheh neither of the others were doing , so,not the same.

I think I've been pretty clear about mindgeek I was talking about Jesse Jane remember?
And I was talking about her time at DP as a contract star along with the others , that period you keep mentioning but not grasping meant that those times and the current ones aren't the same they have different policies but you still keep mixing current ownership policies with the older ones mixing contract stars mixing eras , mixing when in contract and when out of contract , I repeat once again they were two completely different subjects, your replies make no sense , you simply refuse to akcnowledge there are two different owners with two different policies


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Her specific complaint is not really relevant; I mean, it is, of course, but not in this context.

I cannot see a director's desire to shoot a particular girl based on anything other than his personal artistic and sexual preference. That's why he's the director and not the owner.
I cannot see the higher-ups giving them a max black girl quota for the month on anything other than analytics. That's why he's the owner and not the director.

In every other instance, porn reeks of being a business, so why not in this instance as well? In the same way that I would never by a scene of skinny white girls with big fake boobs, I imagine that many white men would never buy a scene of hot black girls. And there are a whole lot of white men. Not everything that is a function of race is racism; I reserve that word for things that are actually sociopathic, and not getting as many porn shoots as one wants is not an injustice any more than the same person not getting that gig to sing opera at the Kennedy Center.

There is racism in the world, and it sucks. But it devalues the concept when EVERYTHING is labeled racism, and that turns people that would support anyone's quest for social justice into people that rather would just roll their eyes at incessant whining.

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Lulubell and LCF you guys are having trouble with dates.

Mindgeek has ALWAYS owned Brazzers. At the time the company was called Mansef, which was renamed Manwin in 2010 when Fabian Thylmann bought it, and then renamed again to Mindgeek in 2013 when Thylman sold it. But it's always been the same company.

They purchased Digital Playground in 2012. It was in 2010/2011 that Stoya had to basically tell the former owners that if they didn't let her shoot a scene with a black guy, she was going to quit her contract. She then shot with Mr Marcus for Bad Girls 6 which was released in 2011.

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I don't think there's any point in continuing we're talking different languages , and you keep mixing eras as the one related to my replies was that with Jesse Jane which BTW had possibly planned to do IR long ago, it was planned and signed to do 8 issues for JJV , she only managed to do two of those she performermed her first anal in her second she just didn't want to burn everything in her first issues but it didn't turn out well and she stopped shooting

And I don't really understand why you keep defending Mindgeek as they don't need any defense , nobody accused them , we really are on different sides of the same galaxy

Edited by - LCF on 8/5/2019 1:08:39 AM


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All this talk of Mindgeek, Brazzers, DP... it's exhausting.

End of the day, all I know is a hot woman is a hot woman and she stays hot whoever she's fucking with.

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You state your opinion as if a girl works for Brazzers/DP by having an exclusive contract means she's not going to work with a black guy and that's 100% FAKE yesterday, today and in 2 years, end of discussion from my part dude...

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I don't think I am , I was talking about Digital Playground at the time Jesse Jane was a contract star of theirs and Minwin/Mindgeek had not yet took over the company , as for Brazzers it's a matter of different Management their policy about IR has changed when Thylmann bought it

Anyway I was saying from the very beginning that DP had a no blacks policy for their contract star and this is proven by the fact that Stoya had to threaten them to shoot one , he says their policy never changed and that any girl at DP could just ask and she would be granted a scene with any man she wanted.

The confusion came when someone kept mentioning stars like Katsuni who isn't white or Aria Alexander who arrived after the take over as exemplary for the argument that anybody who wanted to shoot with a black man had to just ask even adding Nikki Benz as example...


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Do you see any white contract star still signed in there?

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you didn't need the example BTW, I own that Janine movie

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I really don't know how to tell you anymore
No white contract star at digital playground has ever done any IR before Manwin took over with the only exception of Stoya who literally had to threaten them because otherwise they would never allow it.

As for both Nikki and Capri they both stated that at Brazzers none of them was ever proposed an IR scene , Capri was open to it as she already shot a scene before

None of those in the movies you put were contract stars at DP anymore withe exception of Katsuni which is not white.

Jesse Jane, Kayden Kross , Riley Steele ,Teagan Presley not even Stoya are there three full movies with dozens of stars and yet not one of them was a current white contract star, NOT ONE.

these are facts man

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Well in this case you might notice that Katsuni only performed IR since she never worked with a male asian in there .

Anyway the issue of DP not allowing any white contract star to shoot IR has been discussed here on this board for YEARS literally, now you want us to believe that it was a star's choce which surely explains why Stoya was repeatedly denied and had to threaten them to leave to shoot one IR scene, very consistent with your claims.

I see no point in discussing any further , good look in your world man

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