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So back to the fucking point Z-fan, IS FOX NEWS BAD FOR AMERICA???
Not really no. I think Ted Koppel is missing the big picture. I also think he really wants to concentrate on Fox being bad for the purity of Journalism, and O’Reilly was ready to jump all over him with examples of “liberal bias” from the past.
If there is one thing that Fox can perhaps be genuinely be blamed for it is highlighting divisions between Americans into a “Culture War”. And they do it in order to profit the bottom line of News Corporation.
But how much do they REALLY affect politics in this country?
Fox has been around since 1996, and they didn’t start to get popular until 1998.
In the Post-FDR era, Republicans have held the White House for 36 years compared to the Democrats’ 32. (Although an Obama re-election will even the scales) The Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan elections, all six of them, were unabashed landslides. All of that is without a Rush Limbaugh on the radio or a Fox News on TV. Two of the last three Democratic presidents were governors from the south. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton both are responsible for some of the last times certain southern states (Arkansas, Georgia) ever voted Democrat. Again, Carter’s administration precedes Rush and Fox. Newt Gingrich and the Republicans took over the House of Representatives in 1994. Again, no Fox.
Democrats have actually been pretty successful since Fox has been around. Since 1992 no Republican has been able to draw more than 52% of the national popular vote. Nancy Pelosi and the Dems took back the House in 2006. Barack Obama had a landslide election in 2008. And both Pelosi and Obama were, and continue to be demonized by Fox News almost daily.
Koppel says the Fox Effect makes it impossible to get anything done in Congress. Is it Fox’ that has done that or is it a natural progression? Look at the Sixties with the turmoil in race relations and the Vietnam war. That was most certainly a time when people felt the center could not hold.
And let me give a backhanded compliment to Fox as well: They’ve been great for Democrats from a counter programming point of view. As we’ve seen from the Rush – Sandra fluke controversy, as we’ve seen from the Republican primaries, as we’ve seen from Ann Coulter, Ted Nugent, Allen West, Hank Williams Jr., and Todd Akin, today’s Republicans are a fairly offensive bunch of people. From a Democratic point of view I believe the best thing we can do is let them keep talking as much as they want. Not only that, there is this: with Fox crystalizing and coalescing the base, people like O’Reilly and Hannity can by suggestion have a distinct effect on the policies and personalities of the GOP. The craziness exhibited by the Republican primary candidates (as well as the in-house audiences) horrified non-conservatives. If this is behavior is being influenced by the Fox News Culture, than so be it.
Finally, there is the Keeping Them Honest effect. You can be certain that Fox will pile on any time a competitor makes an error, regardless of how minor it may be. Take, for instance, the NBC flub in the George Zimmerman case.) Knowing that Fox News is keeping their all-seeing eye on you for a weakness to exploit should be grounds for MSNBC keeping themselves straight. In a reverse methodology, if someone tries to argue about "Well the Liberal Media is keeping THIS story quiet." One can shoot back "Well what about Fox? Why aren't they reporting on it."
 
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I started off by telling you a little about myself. Allow me to continue:
I was born in 1969 in a predominantly Black section of New York City. My mother was from Georgia. My Father from Texas. They grew up in the Jim Crow era in those states. When I say my parents weren’t political, that doesn’t mean they didn’t realize politics affected them. How could it not. I only read about the era of Martin Luther King, George Wallace, sit-ins, church bombings and fire hoses. They LIVED it.
Growing up in New York in the 70s and 80s meant exposure to many unsavory things: crime, prostitution, drugs, garbage strikes, transit strikes, etc.
But it also meant exposure to Broadway, school trips to the Guggenheim and the Hayden Planetarium, day trips on charter boats in the Long Island sound, etc. You’re in one of the biggest cities in the world: you’ve got the Empire State Building, the World Trade Center, the Met, Carnegie Hall, Central Park, Madison Square Garden, etc etc. Some of the greatest directors make movies about the city: Woody Allen, Martin Scorcese, and Sidney Lumet just to name a few. Frank Sinatra has a classic song about us. All the great television shows (Saturday Night Live, All in the Family, The Mary Tyler Moore Show) come from here. We are the originators of punk, disco and hip-hop. We got the Yankees, the Giants and the Knicks. Suck it, rest of the world!
We’re the greatest city in the world. We know this because our mayor is the endlessly self-promoting Ed Koch and he reminds us of this on an hourly basis. (LITERALLY.
I have no problem admitting that my skin color, my parents’ upbringing and the city I grew up in fairly well shaped who I am today.
Without a doubt, on the same day I was born, there was another baby being born at the same time I was in a state 14, 15, 1600 miles west of New York City. Maybe its Kansas. Or Kentucky. Or Oklahoma. This kid – let’s call him Matthew -- is White. His parents probably both grew up and met in the same state. They came of age during or after WWII enjoying all the privileges of that time period. They all went to church every Sunday, in a rural area with fishing and hunting being common activities in his life among his friends.
In this community, things like divorce, homosexuality, teen pregnancy are rare, and/or rarely talked about.
The infamous is greeted with utter disdain and seen as an example that Big Media is trying to push an agenda on the rest of America. Matt probably never saw a non-white person while he was growing up, except on TV.

Matt is 43 years old now like me. He may still live in the same state. He probably still goes to church every Sunday, is married, and has kids of his own that he takes hunting and fishing and he votes straight-ticket Republican every two years. Matt’s life was indelibly shaped by his environment and upbringing just as surely as mine was.
Matt watches Fox News too, but here’s the thing. Fox News doesn’t influence the way Matt lives or the things he believes but it does VALIDATE them. It gives us comfort to know that there are people who like the same things we do and can maybe give us some additional perspective to boot. (Think about it; how many friends or girlfriends have you met at a concert venue where your favorite band was playing?)
In a world without Fox News, Matt’s politics and everything else about him would probably be unchanged. He would not cast a vote for Barack Obama even with a gun held to his head.
Matt feels that it’s good that there’s someone out there in the media that’s actually thinking about him and his family and friends. His parents never had anything like that. In their time the nightly news broadcasts only focused on things happening in New York, Washington DC, or Los Angeles. Or some godforsaken battle going on in Central America or the Middle East. They never seem to care about their part of the country excepting every four years when the politicians come around grubbing for votes. They never talked about their side in the abortion fight and why fetuses have the right to life. They never talked about the encroaching threat of government intrusion into our personal lives. They’re always showcasing questionable music by vulgarians like Boy George or Madonna, and not clean-cut country stars.
Matt’s parents probably felt like Nixon’s “invisible majority”. Or the people inhabiting “Flyover Country” as its dubbed today. (And how ironic is it that it took an Australian-born, Oxford-Educated aristocrat like Murdoch to notice and capitalize on this disparity into our culture?)
Matt and I would probably not have a lot to say to each other if we ever met. Quite frankly it would probably take being trapped in an elevator together in order to bring us into each other’s orbit.
Is Matt a bad guy? An evil person? Of course not.
All that I would ever ask is for Matt to see me in the same light.
I would love a chance to sit down with Matt and talk to him one on one about who I am, and my life experiences, and then I would in turn, listen to him. But Fox News preaches against that. It is in their ratings interest to keeps this country’s differing tribes warring against each other.
They want to shout over the other, they want us to talk past each other, look askance at each other, suck our teeth at each other…anything except talk to each other.
Screw what politicians say or do. If the people of this country can’t meet and discuss things with a civil tongue then THAT most certainly is bad for America.
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Posted - Oct 17 2012 : 9:41AM
Next time you go for less long winded posts you might want to try a few pre-season posts instead of going straight to opening day.
BTW I am three years older than you and grew up in one of those small towns (population 985) in the middle of nowhere in the midwest. And believe me I did my very best to get out of going to church and usually succeeded. Plenty of people talk about divorce. It's just as common there as it is anywhere else. Teen pregancy, while maybe not as common as in the big city, was by no means a rarity either. Even the music stereotype is somewhat off. Yes there was a lot of country music listened to at my high school but the one album absolutely everyone in my school wore the grooves out of was Back in Black (runner up Pyromania).
Now there is one tangent you did not mention that had a big influence on my upbringing that differs from the big city. Growing up in a county where farming and ranching are by far the biggest economic factors in that county you quite naturally get to know a lot of farmers and ranchers. The majority of which have the opinion that they are better caretakers of the land than government agencies are. (And if you have ever had the government try to carve out part of your property for a highway or airport or had to deal with a governmental agency trying to negotiate any kind of drilling rights on your property you would understand where they are coming from.) Hence you learn not to have a lot of confidence in the government's ability to look after anything. If you have ever wondered why states in the Great Plains region are such Republican strongholds this attitude is as big of a factor as anything.
And your point of Fox can be flip-flopped with the more left wing media sources who paint everyone that lives in a red state, votes Republican, or joins the Tea Party as either a Grand Dragon in the Ku Klux Klan, a militia member, a homophobe, or Larry the Cable Guy.
One question about your age demographic of Fox viewers. Are you suggesting that Fox will be become less popular in the future as their already old audience gets older and eventually dies off? Or are you suggesting (and I think this is probably the more likely reason for the viewing patterns) that people don't start watching Fox until they reach their 50s? If you notice none of the news networks are attracting the 18 to 49 year old demographic. I don't think the majority of people start to care about hard news until they are in at least their 30s. They may turn over if a tornado goes through their town and kills 50 people or if there is a serial killer loose in their town but otherwise they are more interested in the Kardashians and Jersey Shore.
 
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Huh??? What's a "pre-season posts"?? I admit I was long winded. I couldn't figure out how to encapsulate things any differently. I felt dividing it up into four posts was the best way to go.
the "Matt" composite was just that -- a simulacrum of a "typical guy of that age" as much any person can be called "typical". There are plenty of people born in the region that leave the Midwest and move to, say, New York or LA. Many join the military and end up living in Germany, Japan, Korea, marrying native women, etc.
And my comment about country music was directly attributed to Matt's parents, as they are probably more socially conservative than he is, and may have been among those not entranced by the Beatles or Elvis as they were bad influences on America.
Thomas Frank does cover that sort of thing in "What's The Matter With Kansas?" which is a great book. I was going on long enough as it was, I didn't want to get into everything that separates the average conservative from the average liberal. I think everybody here is familiar with the garden-variety issues that cause differences twixt us.
From the more reputable outlets I have not seen this. (Note: I am not talking about stuff you might read in comments sections.Yes, you read plenty of dire stuff in both places in that regard, such as the recent Stacey Dash thing.)
But from official and reputable elected Democrats, or left-wing talking heads/blog authors/pundits/djs etc, I never see that* I just honestly don't**.
Possibly. I don't think their ratings will suffer horribly -- but there could be a cooling off.
Well here's the thing, --- and to be honest I probably should have added this in there too -- That's why when a show comes around like Jersey Shore, that can get those viewers, advertisers flock to it. (and like a chain reaction, shows like Today or Letterman want to have them on their shows)
Yeah, news in general is not a big priority for younger viewers, like I said about myself. A lot of this stuff is deadly dull to young adults. Still, my original point stands, that Fox has a huge dropoff from that age group as opposed to other networks which puts their large ratings in context.
* Randi Rhodes is NOT reputable. That woman is absolutely unbearable.
**Yes, I know a few isolated and old comments can be dredged up sure. (the Ed Schultz thing f'r instance) But we've got an entire thread dedicated to conservative offensiveness. If anyone here at ADT wanted to, they could start a companion thread to the "Ghastly Old Party" thread. As of yet, that hasn't happened. (incidentally, I could add five new items to that thread from comments made in just the last week.)
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TUP, I will admit I am disturbed by how over-the-top MSNBC is in its support of Obama. Olbermann was highly critical of Obama on several occasions, as was Cenyk Ugur. And they both got told to kick rocks.
O'Reilly is right: they are pundits, all day. There's the occasional non-political documentary, but it's been ages since I've seen one of those. They run the risk of boring themselves into a hole in the ground with too much repetition.
I'll give an example: the whole thing with that GSA party that happened in Vegas that became a cause celebre' for the Right. I saw nothing on that on MSNBC at all. Could've happened and I missed it, but I try and keep track of both new channels as much as possible. Now did it need to be covered 24-hours a day for two weeks straight like Fox did? No. But it did warrant some mention.
NBC doesn't appear to want to share it's resources with the cable sibling, which is a shame.
I worry that as MSNBC is finally finding ratings success with being the mirror image of Fox, they'll be more prone to the sort of falsehoods that Fox participates in. One bright note though; as you yourself noted, they didn't skimp words on the president's awful 1st debate performance. So they're still connected to reality at this point, but, as I said, the future worries me.
But then again, as I stated, Fox was a game-changer and this is how MSNBC has decided to play the game.
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I would say the difference between Fox News and MSNBC is that Fox News has the temerity to call itself "news." The FCC should force them to rename themselves Fox Punditry or Fox Propaganda, something to that effect.
 
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Fixed News works for me.

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Faux News.

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I'm normally the one seeing conspiracies everywhere yet I'm not so convinced of this; with departure of Olbermann & Uger and Chris Matthews' inevitable side into silly self-parody, I'm sensing an ever so gradual crawl, if not to the center, at least from the edge of the left.
Mind you, they're Leftists for sure, but I can still turn on MSNBC (at least when it's not election season) and find general reportage or special interest stories fairly regularly. Since Geraldo's gaffe-tastic special about the Concordia disaster nearly a year ago, I haven't even seen a non-political special being promoted by the FNC.
Geraldo's show was 10 months ago.
Mind you, I know Cody and some folks with astonishingly high troll-post counts are going to tear me to shreds for this and that's fine. Knock yourselves out responding.
 
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And also this...
Sometimes, stereotypes are stereotypes because they're true.
Sometimes.
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I pray I never read another paragraph with that many prays in it.
 
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Amen.
 
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I actually DVR'd and watched all of Fox' prime time stuff last night just to see how they would cover it:
O'REILLY:
Began with his usual spiel about "Extremist Liberals" and the danger they pose to the country. Says "yes, the Republicans have some scary guys too, but they didn't let them speak at their convention". This version of alternate reality is breath taking.
Then Karl Rove was brought on to talk about the polls and how well Romney is doing.
Then it's "Chaos in Libya" more on how Obama lied about Benghazi.

Talks with mild Liberal Bob Beckel about Libya, a new study on welfare, and of course Bill declares himself the winner of every argument.
Dick Morris a walking pile of [CENSORED] is on talking about how Romney's going to win in a landslide.
A "Man on The Street" Segment -- in New York City -- where some Fox peon interviews single women and asks their feelings about the presidental race.
Aging hack Dennis Miller gets the first mention of Hurricane Sandy. He says that Obama shouldn't have come to New York, for the same reason George W. Bush (whose [CENSORED]Miller just can't seem to stop eating) didn't go to New Orleans. You're just complicating the cleanup effort!. Absolutely no scenes are shown of Christie appearing with Obama.
Miller also says that in his lifetime, he's only seen two presidents that "actively dislike half the population." They are Richard Nixon and Obama. Nixon hated the hippies, and Obama is part of the "intelligentsia" that dislikes regular folks.
Curiously, they have him say this while showing footage of Obama shaking hands with what looks like some ordinary suburban folks and their kids. Of course,

We end with another talk about Hurricane Sandy and Global Warming. Bill brings on both sides, one pro (a woman) and one con (a man) on Climate Change and of course, both Bill and the con-Climate Change guy take turns beating up on the woman scientist. The end.
HANNITY:

Show begins Begin with polls showing Romney leading, and a talk with Ohio gov John Kasich
We get into Benghazi, and Hannity doesn't have just one headline for it, he has two: "THE COVER UP" and "THEY KNEW"
No less a Middle Eastern expert than Newt Gingrich is brought on to discuss how bad and evil Obama and Hilary are.
Next we discuss the Democrats' fake War on Women. Blonde conservative talking head Monica Crowley and a Democratic woman are brought on and once again, in typical Fox Fashion, Sean takes Monica's side on everything creating a 2-1 browbeating.
Fairness! Balance! Somehow the discussion gets turned into a talk about Obamacare, and how it's the first step to socialism.

Brent Bozzell he of the beard and the Media Research Council is brought on to discuss...CINDY SHEEHAN???? Yes, it's the Totally Irrelevant People section of the show. Apparently Sean wants to show that the Mainstream Media adored Sheehan, and yet is ignoring the families of those killed in the Libya attack. The end.
One long political commercial front to back, not even the slightest mention of Hurricane Sandy.
GRETA:
The show really has only four segments: Two of them are devoted to Benghazi: “Shocking new details on Libya attack!"
Except not really.
Another two segments on how tight the presidential race and how the polls show Romney with a slight lead.
Finally, a look at Paul Ryan and his family going trick or treating a day early.
The end.
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CNN and MSNBC's prime time shows had begin to end coverage of the storm (with, admittedly, some politics)
Of course, in Fox' defense, who wants to hear all that depressing stuff about people dying and stuff?

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Posted - Nov 2 2012 : 1:31AM
Dude, not even I tried to watch Fox News last night, except for Hannity which was pretty good, better than usual, but I opted for horror films instead. The night before was pretty balanced between Sandy/Benghazi. Greta had a two-hour show to get both subjects covered.
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Have only watched a little so far tonight, but have seen enough to know that they now have a new talking point related to Sandy... the long lines for gas in its wake.
Look kids! Long gas lines! It's Jimmy Carter all over again! President Romney wouldn't have let this happen!

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President Romney would be able to personally generate both electricity and gasoline from his magical fingertips.

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Hmmm. I'd like to see that. It sounds like a great idea.

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Dude, Clint Eastwood.
 
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^
Of the little I saw, I felt nothing but pity for the man.
 
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What is Fox commentators smoking? We have millions without electricity, many dead and Fox ignores Sandy? Now I know why I don't watch Faux news.
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Probably because the cleanup operations are going well, unlike Katrina under the last president.

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^ I stand by what I said in the thread you linked to:
I know you're intelligent enough to understand what was written, so, we must assume you have some motive to spin it to your own liking?

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Well, Fox's The Five is leading with Hurricane Sandy, while Chris Mathews and CNN leads with presidential politics.
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Well, well, well, ?

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So what? Romney would have a horrible effect on this country. Someone has to say it. Thank God someone is stepping up this time.

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And frankly, calling Mitt on his lying sack of shit stuff about jeep jobs to China and no work requirements for welfare and his crazy-ass pants on fire bullshit about how he (Mitt!) will happily accept credit for saving Detroit...
...is a far different thing from saying Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim socialist who is destroying the car industry of America.
It's not two sides of the same coin.

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^It's also not the case.

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I only asked you to honor the demands you place on others, if you want the purity you demand from others you should also be open to the challenge. BTW, I have failed to meet my own standard, probably will again, we can even agree that you are the better man , and I agree Fox is lousy.
But when you champion and demand integrity from others and assert that the
opposition has no credibility, you should be honor bound to call out a lie and condemn it with the same energy, regardless of who it helps or hurts.

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^^ (Cody) Whatever. Romney is a liar. It's just being polite to call it Romnesia.
He's a liar, so what's the problem with dressing it up in polite euphemisms and pointing it out to people?
He's also a flip-flopper. I'd call it Mitzophrenia. Except it isn't even real flip-flopping, since he never believes in or stands behind any viewpoint. We don't even have a real name for it. I've run out of politeness on this shit.
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Mittens is a faker, who fakes everything. Even the press in Ohio is calling him out. Faux news manufactures untruths about Obama, which is not the same as MSNBC, which merely criticizes Mittens the faker on his well known lies.
 
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You're not holding a mirror up or revealing anything.
You are misreading what I said, and trying to make it say something else.
You're twisting and spinning my words, and I think you're doing it deliberately.
What I'm not going to do is jump through hoops for you, to explain a comment which should be obvious as to what was being said.
Go lecture someone else about your concept of "honor."
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Every fricking politician that has ran for president in my lifetime has lied about something or another. Hell, probably 99% of the politicians that have ran for any office higher than dogcatcher in my lifetime have lied about something. That's the nature of politics, tell the people what they want to hear, not what is really going to happen. I'm not a fan of Romney and I don't plan on voting for him but the insurance premiums on all the glass houses around here have to be skyrocketing.
 
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^ It is a matter of degree. For every lie that Obama has told, Romney has told 100 (only exaggerating slightly). Romney blatantly lies and then says he did not say that. He lies in the morning and then lies in the evening by taking the opposite position but to a different group. We are talking about degree. Mittens is what is called a pathological liar, where he has a compulsion to lie about everything, and this is not a good character in a President.
Heck, Romney lies so much that there is a blogspot named for his lies:

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It's not just that Romney lies, but that his campaign keeps running the same ads months after being called on the lies. The people in Romney's campaign can't be the only non-comatose people in the U.S. that don't know that Obama didn't gut work-for-welfare, that "You didn't build that" refers to the infrastructure of roads and water systems, that jeep isn't off-shoring all their production to China, etc. They knew they were lies when they crafted them, they have been informed of the corrections, they keep running the ads, and if Romney or Ryan are asked to comment on them, they hustle past, pretending they didn't hear the question.
There's no comparison to Obama's so-called lies--eg. saying he could get unemployment lower than he has--because he didn't anticipate the coordinated obstruction. That's not so much a lie as a disappointment, and he isn't repeating it now, nor dodging it.
Apples and oranges.

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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 1:56PM
The only response to any of this is simply they are not lies.
 
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^ ????? Lies are now not lies????? This works only in the delusional mindset. Lies are lies when lies are based on untruths. Next, one will say that it is okay to lie to the American people to earn their trust to be their President.

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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 2:24PM
No, they are not lies. We've been raked over for "misleading," "hyperbole," "suspect math," but there are plenty of sides to every story and when one actually reads the fact checks instead of just "Romney lied" or "Obama lied" (and he does, a lot) the picture becomes clearer and "lies" as it turns out, aren't really lies.
 
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^ Nope, truth with the capital T is the TRUTH. You can say that Obama made promises he was not able to deliver as misleading. But for Romney to say that I am not getting rid of some of the Affordable Health care provisions in the morning on TV and then say the exact opposite in a stump speech later in the evening is a BOLD FACE lie.
Romney lies about things big and small. He lies about when he started to run for president. He lies about his taxes. He lies about his dog. He lies in the debate and was fact corrected by his own staffers later in the evening. He lies and lies and lies. He is NOT TO BE TRUSTED. PERIOD.
 
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I was talking with a fellow record flipper, who buys lots of stuff thinking he will always be able to flip it. And he does well with a lot of it, and a lot of it he doesn't. Although he is convinced it will sell no matter what. Yeah, after you list it 20 fucking times.
So I emailed him that a local shop that wasn't buying vintage vinyl for resale is now, and giving great prices for stuff that really isn't worth the time to flip on Ebay, but is a good buy if you can get it for a $1. Records that sell in the $15 range if your lucky. I sold 4 this morning for $37 that I had $4 in.
We exchanged a few emails back and forth, and he sends me this rediculous response:
"I think with me its less the loss of my life. i mean what else am i going to do...drink. at leat it keeps me out of trouble. i think in the end its about paying taxes on this stuff. now i understand how lowering taxes makes booms an raising them does not. they (govt) are making me want to work less instead of more."
Now nothing I said when we bounced the few emails was about politics. I know this guy is a wingnut, but he is no a raging fool like many on the right. He might make over fifteen grand a year on Ebay. Selling mostly Ravens Tickets for his uncle. Now that he is getting hit with taxes he is complaining. But I guess he is okay with the wealthy job creators not shouldering the burden he, or any lower income tax payer is shouldering in favor of them (The Wealthy Job Creators).
So in short people will believe bullshit reguardless. This guy believes it all the time.
An unrelated side note. If you tell him you found something really good he never says cool find. Good luck, or what are you going to do with it? It's always "I didn't see that." Well of course you didn't, or you would have fucking bought it. And lets get something straight, regaurdless of value if I think it's really cool, and like it I will keep it. He sells almost everything.
Much of his mind set reminds me of the right. I got mine, screw you. Except with him it's a bit more subtle.
Edited by - 2ferme on 11/3/2012 5:15:41 PM
Edited by - 2ferme on 11/3/2012 5:16:49 PM

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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 7:26PM
Cody said:
You know, at first I took you for a fool who would vote against his best interests. Then you said you were wealthy and I took you for a dissembler.
Where can I go from there?

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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 7:27PM
I don't agree. I don't see the lies you're seeing. I see self-appointed truth squads cherry picking statements, taking others out of context, ignoring other ones, making their own assumptions and straw men, and attacking them instead of focusing on the actual disputes in question.
Paul Ryan didn't mislead about shit in his address to the RNC, certainly didn't lie. Mitt Romney's ad about Jeep was not misleading or untrue. There are times we need fact checkers and there are times when they amount to nothing more than campaign shills.

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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 8:52PM
Eh? !!
 
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Posted - Nov 3 2012 : 11:59PM
Meh. I've pretty much given up on trying to understand Cody. I mean, in that other thread he says he doesn't believe he's even with 90% of the GOP or the Conservative Movement, a statement that pretty much betrays every political view he's ever made here.
As far as the "negative Romney" "positive Obama" stories, I've already said: Fox and MSNBC are not so much news as they are political entertainment. You know what you're going to get from them. The best we can hope for is that even with slanted reporting, that they don't lie or give wildly misleading stories about people.
 
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Posted - Nov 4 2012 : 1:13AM
It is clearly designed to mislead.
 
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Posted - Nov 4 2012 : 1:53AM
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Posted - Nov 4 2012 : 9:12AM
^ Murdock can say what he wants, but hope Britain nails his sorry lying ass. Well the knives are being sharpened over at the Republican side and Faux news. Never fear as Christie has lots of meat.
 
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Posted - Nov 7 2012 : 11:25PM
On Fox News today, there was much wailing and nashing of teeth; one common subject: Romney should have brought up Benghazi more!!! But he got scared after the first debate and ran away from it. If he had just pressed on that, he would have won.
Strange:
1) Fox News loves to state that they're the number one news channel for over decade running. Their ratings are higher than MSNBC's and CNN's combined. Why do they have so many viewers? Because they're fair and balanced!
2) Fox News is the only station covering Benghazi? Why? Because the rest of the media is in the tank for Obama. And that's why he won! If other stations were covering Benghazi like we were, he would have lost!
So...Fox is the most watched, most-trusted news channel, and yet the Mainstream Media still has the power to kill stories/make them irrelevant.
Seems to me somebody wants to have things both ways.
 
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Posted - Nov 8 2012 : 12:47AM
Romney lost because
a) the first thing people thought of when they saw him on television wasn't how presidential he looked, it was, "Why does he look orange?"
b) because he had one good debate with Obama then followed it up by flopping around like a dead fish. Or, to put it another way, his core message was, um... hold on.... I'll think of it in a minute...
but mostly, because he failed to convince independents that he was (wait for it) independent of the neo-nutcases (binders full of women didn't help, either).
Furthermore, Fox News, Benghazi was a minor miscalculation compared to 9/11, which, if memory serves, you went through major contortions to absolve GW of responsibility for and to blame on Saddam Hussein, of all people.
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