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^ Not just a "former" U.S. Representative, but a former ranking member of the Intelligence Committee (one of the select few in Congress that receives classified briefings), and major serious expert on the subject matter that was being discussed.
Seriously, her gravitas is on par with current and former Cabinet Officers (e.g. Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Homeland Security, et al).

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I was watching MSNBC at the time, and was WTF! shocked that Andrea Mitchell's interview with Ms. Harman was interrupted by the "Bieber breaking news" report.
You'd have thought that a major world-leader had just been assassinated
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^ The producer in her ear made that call. A sad reflection of what our for-profit news media has become, but a bigger and more disturbing reflection on what it says about a society that gives two shits about a 19 year-old, self entitled fuck head.
 
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^ Of course the "producer" (or director, or a senior network/corporate executive) made the call.
Who else could have? Certainly not the on-air talent (i.e. Andrea Mitchell).

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Edited by - rlankford on 2/5/2014 11:22:17 AM
 
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Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We're losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or "patriots" of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.
We're losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

I would argue with the writer of this piece somewhat. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread no one who's a hardcore Fox watcher woke up one morning and burned their PETA membership and then joined the NRA. No one traded in their Prius for a Hummer. They didn't just transform out of the blue. It's just that Rush and Fox certainly inflame the passions. But their listeners/viewers were headed down this road already.

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^ except that that is not how he characterized his father...
Did you read the entire article?

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It's so weird, because I grew up in a family of table-pounding Birchers. For decades, it seemed like they were the oddballs. I would explain to friends some of the nutty John Birch Society views, and everybody reacted like they were from Mars.
I can't remember all the plentiful Crazy of it, but one of the things was a seminar at someone's house, with a slide projector. They had a slide of a check written to one of the Black Panthers, for maybe $1,000 or some trivial sum, with a Russian-sounding name on the signature. They said it "proved" that the entire civil rights movement was funded by the Russkies, who were trying to break down the American family, and that the negroes didn't really want civil rights.
Even as a kid dragged along to these events, though I mostly kept my mouth politely shut, I thought these guys were wacky. I never got why they were all hot and bothered by the idea of a woman doing construction work, and all that.
And really, for decades, people that I spoke to about it thought the antics were unbelievable, inconceivable, maybe they thought I was exaggerating. And now, this crazy shit is on tv and on the internet as a steady feed. My old 'crazy' stories are just feeble now, I guess.
 
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^ Don't forget the fluoride in the water.

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The funniest thing was American Opinion magazine, and the many flyers my mom handed out, against sex education
Over and over again, the mantra that sex education was the responsibility of the family. This was coming from my mom. Repeatedly. You want to know what the family sex education consisted of? One thing only. Even my stepmother had to tell me what my period was, my mom never got around to it. One thing only. My mom left a couple of books laying around, like on her bedroom hamper. I assume she figured I might spot them and read them, since they were in plain sight, although they were not anywhere that I was supposed to be hanging around.
I get how she might not want to talk about it. I don't get how she can simultaneously crow about the superiority of the home education.
 
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Well what do you mean to say I mis-characterized? That -- in this one writers' eyes -- his father transformed into a monster thanks to Rupert Murdoch and therefore it happens to all seniors?

Maybe this guys' father is one of those who, the older he got, the crankier he got. It happens. Retired senior citizens always had more time to read the newspaper, and attend veterans' clubs, work in the church more, go the neighborhood bar more, listen to Paul Harvey, etc., and they get more politically active (or at least more politically sensitive). Back in the 60s, senior citizens were quite certain that -- between JFK, The Beatles and the USSR, this country was doomed. (I think there's a great story waiting to be written on how John Lennon's haircut and Country Joe's F-U-C-K chant at Woodstock contributed to Richard Nixon's landslide elections.)
So yeah, the older one gets, the more calcified their political and social views become. Like I said, Fox contributes sure. When he says his father watches Fox all day, I certainly believe that. Fox has created a sub-universe where there's always a new made-up outrage to convince its viewers that Obama is Satan. and again, yes, the retired have time to watch all day with brief time-outs for Limbaugh.
I try not to generalize. I don't think ALL conservatives are evil, nor do I think ALL Fox-viewers are bad, nasty, evil people. (Gullible? That we can talk about.) Obviously this writer has a different view. As I've said before in this thread, I refuse to go down that road because its far too easy. That's how we've ended up with the balkanization we have now.
 
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As Lindy just related, John Birchers were the originally Tea Party Patriots long before Limbaugh made the scene, to say nothing of Fox.
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The author described growing up with a father that was conservative, but conventionally and thoughtfully so. He never spoke of Fox flipping liberals, so I am confused as to your reference to PETA and a Prius and as to why you are in disagreement with his position in his article. From my reading of it you put words in his mouth.
The last line in the article...
"Sadly, for some of the nation’s elderly, they seem to have no desire whatsoever to rethink the politics of fear and Fox News. It’s a criminal waste of retirement."
Edited by - rlankford on 2/27/2014 9:12:34 PM
 
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He is the one who says "we've lost a whole generation to Fox"
He may have "lost" his father, but I think he's giving Fox too much credit.

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What a whiner.

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^ & ^^ If you take the time to read the comments section of the article you will find that the author is not alone.

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Misdiagnosis.
Fox News is not making seniors crazier, or even more conservative. They were already "crazy" - they just needed Fox News and talk radio to let them know they weren't.
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Yep, sort of like this guy:
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Fox News tried to tear my family apart: How they failed to incite my father
Murdoch’s news channel invited my dad on to slam me for being liberal. Instead he proved my anti-Fox points for me
by Edwin Lyngar at Salon/com
 
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Exactly!
Fox "News" has been the the tail wagging the dog of the most extreme right-wing politics for some time now.
Clearly, the propaganda wing of the GOP, tea parties, right-wing crazies and the enforcer for those who don't play ball with them.

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Most people are Centrists. Maybe a little to the right, or to the left but to say most people are liberal I would need to see some proof. And I live in a very what would be called liberal place. Although everybody I encounter is mostly right wing nuts. That's to be expected up here in the land of the well to do.
And I would never identify as a Dem. They have pissed me off to no end. They aided, and abetted these jokers on the right, and helped put in place many of the crappy economic policies that have done major damage over the last two decades.
It comes back to being more nuanced and having a world view of things. That's why catch phrases don't work that well with the left. Not always but more often then not they want to peel back the layers.
The right does not do that.
The problem is being nuanced you have to explain why these catch phrases used in the context they are used by the right are flawed, and of course attention spans start to wain, and that's where the right succeeds over the left.
The last big thing is the right is constantly upset, and the right wing noise machine keeps them that way. Complain, complain, complain, and offer no solution of any kind. The right wing noise machine knows that's all it has to do with non-thinkers.
And don't think for one minute that all of these non-thinkers are just clueless overall wearers. Many of them are astoundingly educated, and far from being rich. Real head scratch.
And when was the last time you had someone on the left in office with a pair of balls?! Dean, who I like a lot. That right there tells the story.
Remember what Nader said that there is not much of a difference between the Dems and the Republicans.

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Oh, not just to him.
Also, cognitive dissonance.
Great. 100% agreed.
Not even close.
Bingo. And that is unequivocally true of left-wing cable "news" as well.
Fox News didn't, can't, and doesn't do shit.
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There's a lot a disagree with you on, but nothing moreso than this.
IMHO, Ralph Nader, can go ______ himself with a _________. Twice.
 
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Now I could give a crap about the specifics of this -- Although, I admit, I readily sing the praises of the Beyoncé Backside -- but this confirms what I've said about Fox News and its audience of 60+ seniors.
O'Reilly is going after Beyoncé because 1) she's friends with the Obamas and 2) she's Black, and 3) appeals to a demographic that is largely young, black, and almost 100% female or gay. In other words, the EXACT opposite of his 65+, old white audience. So he can get some cheap publicity for it and suffer no audience wilting. It's a well known fact that when a news program or talk show wants all you have to do is scream: "SEXY VIDEOS ON MTV~! FILM AT ELEVEN!" or some such shit. Won't somebody think of the children blah blah blah.
But more than that, this demonstrates that Fox News really has accepted their old White demo and isn't going to make a bid for the young or females or African-Americans, three of Beyoncé's demographics. This is why I don't give a shit about Fox News. Their reach is limited. OK, so the Geritol Generation is being corrupted. Boo Hoo. Fine. But the younger generation simply has no reason to tune into Fox and will continue to not do so.

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The power of Fox News is on full display right here on this website, in all of your postings leading up to November 6, 2012. You were sucked into the bubble and couldn't escape.
You did say this...
and then were sort of, kind of able to acknowledge your problem when you posted...
Pretty funny stuff. Lucky for you that you are in your late 20's and not your late 60's.
So please just stop with the denials. Acceptance is the first step towards recovery.

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Jon Stewart highlights the Fox News hypocrisy... VIDEO
(4:55) - Fox News resorts to hyperbole and anecdotal evidence to make a point about public assistance abuse and food stamps fraud.
(5:30) - Fox News holds America's poor and its corporations to different standards, and JPMorgan Chase makes a quick buck in the food stamp debit card business.
Then to pick you up with some laughs...
(4:20) - It is brought to light that Mitch McConnell's campaign ad is greatly improved when set to almost any soundtrack.
 
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^You know what's depressing though? TDS has done, how many of these Bullshit Mountain featues -- a hundred? Two hundred? Five? And it doesn't seem to change a thing.
In any rational country the number of people of who vote Republican would be down to something like the population of Rhode Island...

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Then we agree to disagree. The left has been clueless for a long time. Your posts are prime examples of that.
Everybody on the left is just pissy about Nader because somehow he got Bush elected. It was Al Gore who got Bush elected.
 
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Yeah I guess we do have to agree to disagree.
If you actually believe that there would have been no difference between the George Bush administration and the hypothetical Al Gore presidency; or that a McCain/Palin or a Romney/Ryan presidency would be just like Obama's then there's absolutely nothing I could say that would sway you otherwise.

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You are more or less making my point. You are pulling stuff out of nowhere.
Every chance from the time his wife was on her moral crusade back in the late 80's, up through his 2000 Campaign he made himself look like a clown. If he had not done those things he would have been president.
Again, many of the Dems have been miserable failures. They are a bunch of pussies!

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^ Are you speaking about prominent politicians and how they represent their parties and themselves in terms of them getting elected, or are you actually saying there is no difference between members of the two parties in terms of their philosophies and policy agendas?

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Posted - Mar 16 2014 : 4:51PM
^
Many of you keep saying the differences are big, and in some instances they are, but in many they are not. And when Nader made that comment he was spot on. 90 out of 98 Senators voted to repeal Glass Steagall. One of the masterminds behind the repeal was Senator Phil Gramm. Remember him? He was a Dem in the early 80's and switched parties.
Clinton, and his economic team did well initially with the economy but these jokers and their free market nonsense, (remember the era of big government is over?) helped put in place atrocious economic policies that we are still dealing with. They aided and abetted these clowns on the right.
I hate the two party system but at least on the surface many of you seem to be okay with it.
And he may have been better, but I can't stand Al Gore!

Edited by - 2ferme on 3/16/2014 4:52:05 PM


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The two party system forces political candidates to choose one affiliation or another in order to get on a ballot and get elected, and that choice is driven by philosophical and policy agenda, geography, and maybe in Gramm's case, pure political strategy in an attempt to win an election. Obviously a Democrat from Texas is not the same as a Democrat from New York, and it is clear that Gramm was not a liberal or a moderate. Its up to the voter to understand what a candidate stands for. If they view politics as you do they just blindly vote for a guy with a 'D' next to his name and are then surprised when he ends up being very conservative.
As a voter you can vote for a candidate that you would like to have a beer with or you can vote for a candidate that you think would be better at governing the United States of America.
Edited by - rlankford on 3/16/2014 5:49:29 PM
 
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The two party system is forced by the two major parties to ensure a third party never rises. .
Edited by - flash on 3/16/2014 6:13:33 PM
 
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Shutting out other parties also benefits major campaign donors, in that it is easier (and cheaper) to have two candidates beholden to them than a dozen.
 
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I have only just now gotten into the whole Cliven Bundy.
Basically Fox News should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They have now officially sponsored domestic terrorism.

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Cliven Bundy's "range war" is only getting more tense -- and Fox News seems determined to touch off the tinderbox

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Sean Hannity has been the racist rancher’s top backer, and Fox and the GOP made him a cause. Now he's their problem
 
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^
Whenever an old white male says something along the lines of "Let me tell you what I know about the Negro" you can be certain you're in for a display of absolute intellectual genius.

Of course, now that this whole thing has blown up in their faces, it will be reimagined, at some point down the line, as the fault of Obama, Pelosi, Hilary or Stephen Colbert.
Edited to make sense.
Edited by - SMILER GROGAN on 4/25/2014 10:47:22 AM
 
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Posted - Apr 30 2014 : 1:58AM
Watching Fox tonight has been a hoot.
Apparently having learned absolute jack shit from the Cliven Bundy thing, they're now portraying Sterling a victim of Communism Gone Wild. The fascists in the NBA are going to seize this man's property without due process of the LAW!!!!!
Never mind the fact that the NBA is a franchise much like a McDonalds' and Sterling is a franchisee who does not own the name "Clippers" or any of the associated trademarks.
They also cited Mark Cuban's Sunday comments about a "slippery slope" without mentioning that
But again, since Fox is entertainment for conservatives, they have to sell the red meat and there's no better way to feed their hungry 70-year-old demographic than by stating that Obamacare is going to take away all of a poor honest capitalist's hard-earned money just because he refuses to drive a Tesla.
By Friday, I fully expect Sean Hannity to tell us, that that the government is going to take ownership of the team and and change their name to the LA Spotted Owls.
 
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Howard Kurtz (media affairs specialist who used to be on CNN and is now on Fox):
[url=327633]<brFox News "fell seriously short" in its coverage of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's racial comments last Thursday after network hosts and commentators had built him up so much in the weeks before, says Fox's "Media Buzz" host and media critic Howard Kurtz.
If he's saying that it's a surprise that Fox is shying away from showcasing Bundy's remarks, then I think there's a case to be made for, well, Kurtz not really being so good at the whole "media analyst" thing.


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Posted - Apr 30 2014 : 11:06AM
I dislike having to weed through the spin from nearly all major sources, I feel as if I'm prejudiced off the bat by contemplating beforehand who's the author. Same thing with the liberal press, except they're generally not as angry or loud and their spin doesn't come across as obnoxious.
The basic problem is we are overrun by opinions on the news and not news itself.
 
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It is not as simple as the days of the 3-broadcast networks, that is for certain.
What I see nowadays is a three-tiered systems of what I guess can be called the "news/information" businesses
Tier One: The basic stuff of your traditional newspapers, local news and the Three Nightly Newscasts. Most all of it flowing from the wellspring of the Associated Press. Also, the "pundits" on the Sunday shows.
Tier Two: Time magazine. The Cable News Channels (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) two of which are, as I've stated in this thread, basically entertainment for people on whatever side of the fence you're on. And then the myriad heavily trafficked sites (HuffPo, DKos, Salon, Brietbart, Drudge) that report on, analyze, dissect and bloviate about what the guys on Tier 1 reported on earlier.
Tier Three: the sheer opinion based people. Radio talk shows. Late night talk show monologues. Saturday Night Live's Weekend Report. The Daily Show and Colbert. Bill Maher. The really out-there web sites. The guys that report on, analyze, dissect and bloviate about what the guys on Tier 2 were talked about earlier. The specialized web sites: Sports, Media, the Environment, Women's rights, Black Rights, Puerto Rican Rights, Samoan Rights.
And basically anyone who does a podcast, or has a current events blog, or tweets all day.
 
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Posted - Apr 30 2014 : 10:34PM
Basically Tug, news is like music, movies and TV: It's all On Demand.
In our increasingly Balkanised, Stratified and Niche-I-fied universe, its all about You, as a consumer. You may choose what you want to hear, when you want to hear it and from who you want to hear it.

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All locked in our little echo chambers, a reflection of the dysfunctional legislature we despise.
Edited by - tug3005 on 4/30/2014 11:26:21 PM

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Wayne Rogers, who played Trapper John on MASH, is now a money pundit at Fox.
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