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Posted - Jan 6 2017 : 5:59PM
Well this is sudden:
 
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Posted - Jan 6 2017 : 6:49PM
^ Too bad Greta and Megyn have joined NBC/MSNBC now that I no longer watch any of their "news" programming.
(Getting close to a month now.)
Hope it was worth it, losing a 50+ year loyal viewer, all because the corporate whores couldn't make the correct decision not to run programming with the president of the United States serving as executive producer.
Schadenfreude?

Edited by - Goldstein on 2/3/2017 11:47:21 AM
 
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Posted - May 26 2017 : 4:08PM
Well, things certainly have changed at Fox in the last year, and not for the better.
This is despite Republicans having achieved solid victories in the last two election cycles. The ascendance of Donald Trump at the expense of the despised Clintons should have caused a steady maintenance in Trump-Era ratings, (there was probably no further up that they could go.)
But that's not what has happened. Fox is down in the ratings and MSNBC and CNN are surging. They're hemorrhaging talent in front of and behind the scenes. Roger Ailes, fired. Megyn Kelly, left for NBC. Greta Van Susteren, ditto. Bill O'Reilly, fired. Bill Shine, fired. And now, Sean Hannity on a sudden "vacation" with his position hanging by a thread. Like I said in another thread, this kind of carnage and chaos was unthinkable just a year ago.
It is clear there is was a general hubris at Fox News that they could get away with anything and suffer no consequences. That spread to their sexual harassment problem, without a doubt.
And then there's Trump. He has been a boon to them...but he's also a burden. One that they can't shake easily. They can't stop covering him, or taking his phone calls, but even so, his unpopularity and the unwillingness by anyone except Chris Wallace and Shep Smith to cover his scandals has them looking more and more like a propaganda outlet.

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Posted - May 26 2017 : 5:30PM
Wish I had seen this years ago, because people are mixing apples and oranges here. Most of FOX programming is not marketed as news, most of the programs are marketed as "opinion" and "discussions". People on the right and left, or conservative or liberal, or whoever you want to or not want to categorize people, that take these shows as news are wrong, and need to realize you can listen to an opinion but not buy into it.
The real news programs on FOX are Chris Wallace, FOX News Sunday, Shepard Smith, Shepard Smith Reporting, and Bret Baier, Special Report With Bret Baier. These are the main ones, there are some other lesser news shows on FOX, but most of the rest is marketed as talk and/or opinion shows.
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Posted - May 26 2017 : 10:17PM
But people don't do this. They watch the opinion news and take it as news although most of them know it's opinion news. This is what my wacko mother does.
I keep hearing the right, and the left have their own news. I find this hard to believe. The right is the champion of this opinionated ideological nonsense. You can't tell any objective observer that the left is the same way.

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Posted - May 26 2017 : 10:28PM
I just have a hard time believing that Fox is in a permanent slump behind MSNBC, and CNN (I can't stand CNN). Wingnuts are in lock stock that Trump is their savior from those evil Libs. And that awful guy who did nothing for 8 years. The wacko train is just stopping for a few coal cars to be filled. It will be full steam ahead again.

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Posted - May 26 2017 : 10:36PM
This
Fox News’ strategy has been two-pronged: Distort and distract.
Been the right's goal overall for a long, long, long time.
And I don't think this is the left's goal at all.
The right is in complete denial about this.

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 10:59AM
^ If you don't see any bias on the left, I suggest you are in denial.




 
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Posted - May 27 2017 : 12:05PM
To begin with Info Wars article and Fox News have an 18% difference on the study results. So you have proven the right wing bias with them. Congratulations.
Second, if Trump stopped doing negative things, maybe he wouldn't get negative coverage. That is like a murderer complaining all the media does is cover his murders and not when he feeds homeless kittens.
Trump's administration has been mired in scandal, Russia may have helped him win, Trump's billion dollar I have yuge dick wall, the Muslum ban, his attacks on the Constutution, need I go on? What does he expect?
"Trump manages to keep lawn mowed at The White House" headlines?

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 12:46PM
Nobody said that. Straw man.
There's a difference between bias and "alternative facts."

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 6:22PM
^^ Well, you can pick and choose your stats and come up with whatever case you want. I gave a bunch of posts to show a fair representation, but you want to pick out a couple of numbers to show your side, so be it. CNN, NBC and CBS all over 90% negative. New York Times and Washington Post over 80%. If you want to say this is balanced, then that is your view. To me it is clear bias.
Edited by - tripper on 5/27/2017 6:25:03 PM

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 6:24PM
^^ Pieps, I had an up arrow on my post responding to 2ferme, and my impression of his posts is that was exactly what he was saying, but we can agree to disagree.

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 8:08PM
I would never claim balance. If a situation is negative, then nearly 100% of accurate reporting should be negative.

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Posted - May 27 2017 : 8:28PM
^ So, no two sides to anything. Trump won 48% of the popular vote, but there are not two sides, 100% of reporting should be negative. So is his trip in the Mideast and Europe 100% negative also?
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Posted - May 27 2017 : 9:38PM
What I said, which you completely skipped over was, "Second, if Trump stopped doing negative things, maybe he wouldn't get negative coverage."
Please point out to me in my post where I said it was balanced. You've responded with the standard Orange Cheeroian fan response of saying something I never said claiming I did. Bravo.
Ya um, you picked the stats in your post. Sorry that you failed to see tjey claimed different figures from the same report.
Edited by - Flash on 5/27/2017 9:40:43 PM
 
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Posted - May 28 2017 : 3:14AM
48% of the popular vote doesn't mean 48% of the country. And besides that is irrelevant to a free press. They are not required to give tit for tat when covering people who salaries are paid for by myself and others.
That is a concept reserved solely for the sports media who automatically designate 33% of all NFL coverage to be devoted to the Dallas Cowboys regardless of their record.
 
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Posted - May 28 2017 : 3:17AM
As I stated in another thread, Sean Hannity is right:
Edited: I had that link wrong! Now it's correct.
Edited by - Smiler Grogan on 5/28/2017 11:14:38 AM

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 7:25AM
Stripper: I don't think I agree with that. Fox News presents itself as "Fair and Balanced"; they claim they are presenting the news as it really is, without fear or favor. And I think most of their audience believe that they are presenting news, not opinion.
Now, whether it is actually opinion or not, I don't believe really matters. Whether shock jocks actually believe what they say isn't really the point. What shock jocks are doing, is posturing. (As Smiler Grogan has said on this thread) there is a segment of the community that holds a certain set of views, and they are just pandering to that segment.
Edited by - Simple Simon on 5/28/2017 7:27:43 AM

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 10:24AM
Tripper said:
Let's say a hurricane wipes out a city. About 100% of the coverage should be negative, but there are always stories of heroes and rescues. Still, most of the things said about the hurricane itself will be negative.
Let's say you have a leader who is dictatorial and trying to erode constitutional protections, etc., but maybe he wore a nice tie or something. You may have lowered the bar to where if he can say words from a script and not offend too many foreign leaders, it's considered a relative success. It's appropriate to comment on the nice tie (as a bonus, maybe it's not hanging half way to his knees and doesn't have scotch tape on the back). You can comment on the relative not-offending too many people-ness of the visit. But you aren't required to forget the Big Picture. As journalists, it's kind of your duty not to.
Who voted for him is irrelevant to this point. The president is accountable for his actions.
 
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"Hurricane helps combat global warming through population control"
 
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"Earthquake opens up new development opportunities"

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And that's how we get a job at Fox 'News'.

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 5:50PM
Isn't that what a lot of people are saying about islamists.
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Posted - May 28 2017 : 6:14PM
But Tripper, it is only the radical Islamists that one should be concerned about.
Radical Islam is to Islam as the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity.
If one denounces all Muslims for the acts of radical Islamists then one should also denounce all Christians for the acts of the Westboro Baptist Church.

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 6:25PM
^ +1000
I agree with that completely, which is one of the reasons I am writing islamist with a small I. They are corrupting the religion. I just posted this on the Ariana Grande thread.
"islamist is a term used by many, including Muslims, to describe the thugs that are trying to hijack their religion for political gain or justify the slaughter of infidels or other Muslims that don’t want to go along with their agenda."

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 6:27PM
No. Nobody that I've heard.

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Posted - May 28 2017 : 6:31PM
^ Pieps, we were posting at virtually the same time. Please look at my previous post and response to Flash, you may understand my point better since I clarified it more.
 
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You're changing the subject. And after seeing your explanations, I agree with Pieps. I've never seen any reasonable person make apologies for terrorists.
 
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BREAKING:
 
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They must have hired a fact checker
 
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Maybe they'll replace it with Fear and Bullocks.

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Posted - Jun 16 2017 : 7:09PM
^^ & ^
How 'bout: 'Posturing and Pandering, with Fear and Favor'
 
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Posted - Jun 28 2017 : 6:04PM

 
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Apparently though, not that much patience.
 
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Posted - Jul 25 2017 : 10:27AM
The bolded part is the important part. Two or three years ago, The Times probably wouldn't have given two shits about F&F or anything they had to say.
BUT -- given the fact that they are one of the few bona-fide news sources that Toddler In Chief watches, that does make this quite serious.
 
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Posted - Oct 27 2017 : 6:19PM
Fox News' Ratings steady....
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As I've talked about in this thread, Fox News audience is REALLY REALLY OLD, and therefore worth less to advertisers, regardless of how many of them there are. Sean Hannity having changed time slots, is now beating Rachel Maddow in overall viewership, but she's beating him in the 25-54 demographic. Now part of the big drop is due to the fact that 2016 was a presidential election year and cable news viewership is always up in those years. But a 17% drop shows if that's the default, that's a sure sign that being Trump Prada is not the boon Fox thought it might be.

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Posted - Oct 27 2017 : 7:03PM
You'd think that the old, old audience would be worth it for the pharma commercials.
 
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Well the thing is, TV in general has an old audience including the broadcast networks. Big pharma ads are seen everywhere.

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Well, yes, I guess they put 6-year olds and 22-year olds on mega pharmaceuticals now.
 
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^ Maybe "Say cheese" was meant as a subtle hint that Paul Manofort was soon to have his mugshot taken.

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^^ I saw a clip from that. So, as the indictments were announced, fox was covering the merry question of whether the hamburger was properly shown with the cheese on top of, or underneath, the burger. Someone was making the point that you want the lettuce on one side and the cheese on the other (or similar statement) in order to keep the bun from getting soggy, and so there ensued much speculation about said burger.

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I still am not buying the dwindling support for Fox. The wingnuts have migrated towards social media.

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Don't report lies. Foxnews was full on with the Manafort news, from the indictments droping through him turning himself in.

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Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 12:48AM
I don't get fox news -- it's not available here on sling (The local NBC, ABC, and CBS won't let us have those either).
I stand by what I actually said, not what you are implying I said. I saw a clip of the burger debate (on either CNN or MSNBC) which was shown on fox during the time that other networks were simultaneously showing news on the Manafort indictment.
It was amusing to me, not surprising. I was first mega-amused by fox's coverage the day Obama was first inaugurated. At the time I had directv and fox. Every time I flipped over to fox that day, while the other networks had wall to wall coverage of speeches and the parade and the balls, fox was showing Bush getting in a helicopter, then landing in Texas, etc. I make no claim that they never mentioned Obama's inauguration, since I only checked in for a couple of minutes about eight or ten times. It's just that whenever I checked in, they were showing Bush, or some other seemingly random thing.
Similarly, I make no claim that fox never mentioned the Manafort indictment. I just found that the burger clip was amusing, and showing it during the Manafort events seems representative of what I have previously observed about fox on various occassions.
 
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Posted - Nov 2 2017 : 12:51AM
^
Admittedly Tripper has a point: they did provide, let's say, a goodly amount of coverage on it -- but like it was a Second-Tier story, (one perpetuated by the Fake Media, The Deep State, blah blah blah) while their main focus was [invalid URL removed]the Obama-Clinton Russia-Uranium thing which nobody outside of Winguntlandia cares about.
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