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It's also called being hypocritical because it was the exact behavior Hillary supporters and the media (well I suppose those are one and the same) were predicting Trump and his supporters would do after the election and were super critical of them about it. Remember the big hubbub about Trump not stating he would accept the results of the election? Now, Jill Stein of all people won't accept the results of the election. It's fine if you believe this is exercising one's First Amendment rights and participating in the political process. It's also fine if you consider it to be sour grapes, but whatever way you feel about it you have to be consistent on those beliefs whether it is the party/candidate you support or if it is the opponent party/candidate to the one you support.
 
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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 12:53PM
Who takes Jill 'the science isn't in on autism' Stein seriously? Seems like a straw man to me.
 
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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 1:50PM
^^I don't recall nobody saying DJT wouldn't have the right to contest election results if the situation warranted. It was more the fact that he was whining, bitching and moaning about the system being "rigged", just as 1) another method of riling up the base, and 2) an escape pod excuse for him losing.
(A possibility, let's remember, that his own campaign's polling saw. I'll say it again: if the Democrats were in a bubble then so was the Trump campaign)
Of course, the funny thing is that between the Russians, Julian Assange, and James Comey, despite coming in way behind second place, we now know the Election was in fact, rigged.
As for the recount, what harm is there in it. It brings to mind the old saying: "Trust, but Verify."
 
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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 2:09PM
TUP is clearly trying to create a "fact" out of whole cloth, and foisting it upon us here to push, yet another, false right-wing talking point agenda (e.g. all liberals are hypocrites... fill in the blank... yada, yada, yada).
In the name of all that is Holy, why do we keep feeding the troll?
(Yes, I'm guilty, too, and will surely burn in Hell.)
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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 4:38PM
Not at all. They were responding to a situation in which a candidate refused to concede -- which has not happened here.
And they were even more afraid that the combative followers of Trump would become violent. Trump was giving them the nod to do so, with his straight up angry, loud yelling that the election was definitely rigged.
 
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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 6:14PM
Vox:
Can't make this stuff up.

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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 11:35PM
It is pretty strange for someone to win the election and keep whining about how "very unfair" the world has been treating him. Poor wittle thing.

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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 11:36PM
But skipping those security briefings leaves him plenty of time to tweet.

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Posted - Nov 27 2016 : 11:41PM
^^^

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Posted - Nov 28 2016 : 1:53AM
^
But Trump is telling his supporters that voting fraud did in fact happen,
Not just that it happened, but that it happened on a ludicrously, unimaginably, massive scale. I guess he figures that if he tells a big enough new Big Lie, it'll distract the dummies who voted for him from the fact that he's already reneged on many of the older big lies and promises that he made to get them to vote for him.
 
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Posted - Nov 28 2016 : 1:56AM
Next time we have to tell George Soros to get the illegals to vote in the **swing states**, not just California and Oregon.
 
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Posted - Nov 28 2016 : 2:02AM
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In what may or may not be a correlation with the above;
Meanwhile, in a complete flipside of the above two items,
Yes, that's right: the evil Socialist-Marxist Hillary Clinton somehow bamboozled 2/3 of the centers that do the most work for the American Economy into voting for her.
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Posted - Nov 28 2016 : 9:30AM
National Review:
Democracy Underground:
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Rev. Dr. Robin Meyers is senior minister of Mayflower Congregational UCC Church and professor of social justice in the Philosophy Department at Oklahoma City University.
Note: I disagree with Rev. Meyers on one thing: One of the Seven Deadly Sins is Sloth, and that is one that Trump is probably not guilty of. He seems to always be looking to find some way to scam a few dollars here and there, just like the low-level guys in Donnie Brasco cracking open parking meters.



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Posted - Nov 30 2016 : 1:45PM
My husband is playing online chess, and a player from another country greeted him with, "Hi there, yankee. Glad to see that America is still there after the election."
I pondered for a moment whether the other player might risk offending other players with that comment. Probably not.

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Posted - Nov 30 2016 : 1:50PM
You can't really deny that the HRC campaign took certain populations for granted, and they have no one to blame for themselves. I voted for Hillary. I am in no way happy that Trump won, or what he is doing.
 
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Posted - Nov 30 2016 : 3:14PM
This is totally the environment at liberal blogs this past month:
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Understood. I'm ready to move on past the blame game myself. Time to prepare for 2018.

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Detachment. It's the lefts biggest weakness.

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It beats wallowing.
 
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Posted - Dec 2 2016 : 1:54PM
Am I the only one who thought I was listening to the 1927 Nuremberg Rally, as Trump spoke last night at the Carrier plant in Indianapolis?
Gee, the taxpayers are going to foot an enormous bill to keep "1000" Carrier jobs in Indiana -- way to go free market!
Talk to me when you save , at a net gain to the taxpayers, like President Obama did in the 2009 Auto Bailout.
Now, we all know that Mitt Romney opposed the Auto Bailout.
And, of course, .
Fox "News", of course, was cheering the Carrier sleight-of-hand like it was the Second Coming.
This is going to be a long four years...
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Posted - Dec 2 2016 : 3:07PM
And my Wingnut mother was lapping it up. "Obama never did anything like that!"
This is the nonsense that the whackies on the right believe.

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Posted - Dec 2 2016 : 7:07PM
The trick, evidently is not to have accomplishments.
It's to take credit for things, whether you have done them or not, and tour the country bragging about it.
 
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Already, it seems like we're living in a continual non-stop virtual reality replay of Triumph of the Will...and he hasn't even been inaugurated yet...motherFUCK...

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Edited by - Goldstein on 2/2/2017 5:22:48 PM

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Trump and conflicts of interests

Pretty soon, Donald Trump may get to decide whether 4 million workers will get extra pay when they work long hours. You might say the president-elect has a dog in this fight. After all, some of those people surely work for Trump and his children.
It’s a perfect illustration of the president-elect’s thicket of conflicts ― all the more so because it’s not as glaring as some of the others.
Earlier this year, President Barack Obama reformed our country’s overtime rules to make them more generous to workers. Under the changes, pretty much any salaried worker who earns less than $47,476 per year will be guaranteed time-and-a-half pay when they work more than 40 hours in a week. Under the old rules, you had to earn less than $23,660 to be certain you were entitled to overtime pay.
Because of the changes, the White House estimates that 4.2 million additional workers will be covered by the overtime rules, making this a monumental labor reform. Where it works as planned, salaried employees will be taking home bigger paychecks, or working more reasonable hours as their employers try to avoid the time-and-a-half overtime premium.
Business groups are in a tizzy over this reform, since it’s going to raise labor costs on employers. Along with Republicans in Congress, they have pressed hard to have the reforms watered down, delayed or scrapped altogether.
And with a Republican in the White House and the GOP controlling both chambers of Congress, they may finally get their wish. A federal court ruling out of Texas last week has already put the changes in limbo.
One of the industries seriously affected by the reform is the one where Trump made much of his fortune ― hotels and hospitality. The industry is chock-full of workers in the reform’s sweet spot: salaried employees who make decent but not great money and who frequently have to work long weeks. Think assistant managers, front-desk agents, sous-chefs, sommeliers and the like
To understand the conflict in clear terms, imagine an assistant groundskeeper (who has a bachelor’s degree in golf course management) at a golf course that may or may not be owned by the Trump Organization. Our hypothetical employee works on salary, earning something in the low $40,000s. He likes his job, but it’s brutal in the busy winter season (we’re in Florida), and he’s often putting in 60-hour weeks to keep the course in shape. Under the old rules, he doesn’t get paid any overtime for those extra 20 hours he works in the high season ― all he takes home is his base salary.

Edited by - brummie1 on 12/3/2016 2:51:29 PM

 
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Edited by - aclayfan on 12/3/2016 4:47:00 PM
 
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Posted - Dec 3 2016 : 4:36PM
^ Were you meaning to post a comment?
All I see here is you re-posting my post
 
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^
Having problems with my reply (graph, etc.), so I'm currently punting. Might try again later or maybe not.
 
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Posted - Dec 4 2016 : 1:39AM
There is no question Trump is inheriting a better economy at the start of his presidency than Obama. Just focusing on the employment numbers, things have been on the upswing since 2011. Additionally, if you look at the latest GDP quarterly number, the growth is above 3%. That's not great, but better than the 2% growth rate which has been consistent during the Obama presidency. Do want to highlight one point. The unemployment rate drop of .3 % from last month is a dubious statistic. Below is a chart of employment as a % of US adult population. You can see it dropped slightly from Oct to Nov of this year. The drop in the unemployment rate is in part caused by discouraged people giving up on the job market. Politicians rarely mention this fact, but you'll hear economist refer to it.
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Posted - Dec 5 2016 : 11:50AM
Eric Trump retweeted a line about how the $5M Jill Stein raised for recounts "could have fed starving children"
Live by the tweet, die by the tweet.


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Posted - Dec 5 2016 : 12:41PM
There was a story on this morning--New York City is requesting $12 million per month to reimburse costs of increased security in New York. That's in addition to the $1 million to $2 million a day that the federal government is already spending for security.
If Melania and Barron move to the White House (that old dump) in January instead of after the school year is over, taxpayers would save around $168 million for those four months. I saw a pundit this morning saying that it was important to parents to wrestle with these questions of what is best for the child. Can we get $168 million for other kids, maybe preschool programs for about 25,000 kids for a year at $7,500 annually per child for half-day instruction? I'm guessing a conservative number there.
Edited by - Pieps on 12/5/2016 12:48:45 PM

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Posted - Dec 5 2016 : 12:51PM
^according to Eric Trump, then, the amount of money that it costs Melania and Barron to maintain a separate residence for four months (and who blames them, really, for taking an easy excuse), would save 168,000 lives.

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Posted - Dec 5 2016 : 12:56PM
But, you know, so important for the boy to have the continuity of the same school.
I mean, the alternative is an expensive private school in D.C.
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I got you some nice, golden scales. 168,000 lives vs. Barron four months at same school.
Remember, this is Eric Trump's math.
 
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Edited by - Goldstein on 2/2/2017 5:28:23 PM
 
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Edited by - Goldstein on 2/2/2017 5:30:01 PM
 
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Edited by - Goldstein on 2/2/2017 5:31:42 PM
 
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Yeah it is absurd the GOP hasn't come up with an alternate plan in all this time. The obvious reason is because they don't have a plan and would have been fine with the status quo from the get-go.

Edited by - BlackSix on 12/7/2016 2:00:46 AM


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^^^
 
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^^^^
We have maybe two years to prepare for this.
Edited by - Pieps on 12/6/2016 12:49:01 AM
 
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Any one up for the 2020 election thread? Joe Biden says he's running for president. He was born in1942, so he'll be getting up there in years. I guess the dream never dies.
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Posted - Dec 6 2016 : 5:15AM
GOP ideology, when you get down to it, is to not use tax dollars to pay for services for people who can't afford it themselves. They want everyone to buy their own stuff privately or fuck off. They can't afford to keep lowering taxes for the wealthy and big business when they have social service costs rising. Universal health care is against what they stand for. So, they will never have a replacement that takes care of the less fortunate.
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You guys keep talking about the GOP. The GOP is dead. Trump is the GOP now. They had no viable candidate outside of him, in effect, no party. Trump doesn't have to toe the GOP line. They have to toe his. They have to kiss the ring. He broke all the rules. The game will never be the same, even if he chooses to operate within the status quo constraints for the most part.
I always try to find the silver lining in the chaos. I think the best thing short of a viable 3rd party to actually give Americans real options was this disruption which caused an implosion of the GOP six months ago and now the Dems have had to look at themselves in the mirror for the first time in almost 50 years and address their own grievous shortcomings.
But make no mistake, what Trump is signaling is in many respects radically counter to what the GOP stood for. It's almost communistic. There is a reason the fucking Bush family themselves publicly declared their support for Hillary. She has more in common with establishment GOP than Trump does.
The old Left/Right, Blue/Red paradigm is history. People are trying to assimilate the new rules with the old, make the square peg fit the triangle hole.
Trump has reinvented the Republican platform. The Dems now have to administer their own enema. The same old identity politics are exhausted. The media is going through a reformation as well.
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