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Posted - Oct 15 2018 : 5:42AM
^ Yeah, I don't know how being an adult means you can't be a victim of abuse of power. (I think that's grooming, and being a functional adult.)
Re. HC and all this, I previously posted this quote: "acted as her hubby's attack dog to denigrate and dehumanise his female victims".

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An article by a local journalist who travelled across America during the election. It’s about the mid-term results, but states these interesting views about the 2016 election.


"Ever since Donald Trump’s stunning presidential victory in 2016, there has been a quiet, enduring debate on precisely how he won it. To simplify, crudely, there are those who put it down to culture, and others who hold it was, more importantly, about economics and class.
For the former, Trump won on race, immigration and misogyny, assembling a coalition of white voters energised by all that talk of walls and Muslim bans and ramped-up deportations of immigrants, framed disproportionately as rapists and murderers and drug dealers. The latter emphasise Trump’s surprisingly protectionist economic rhetoric – once unthinkable from a Republican – that railed against a system controlled by global elites to the detriment of the working Americans who’ve watched their jobs disappear.”
“Trump stole places, like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, that a Republican was not meant to win. And it was here, among a working class that had voted for generations of Democrats – including many who voted twice for Barack Obama – that the economic message was most profoundly resonant.
It’s no coincidence commentators who point to the economics are often those who spent time travelling with the Trump campaign through these kinds of places, hearing endless comments from voters about how Trump was such a great businessman and would know how to turn the economy around.”
“working-class people who had delivered him victory in the midwest, and who he had so enraptured during the presidential campaign by acknowledging their plight and making them believe he understood their pain”
 
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Election 2016 is NEVER gonna end and neither will the hypocrisy.


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^ But Comey/FBI and H. Clinton were on the same side.

I did some confirmation bias research, and found the below.

“In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence .”


“I appreciate the lengths Comey has gone through to show the double standard justice system. He says Clinton had no intent to hide anything, he never asked her if she did. He says the administrator had no intention of doing anything wrong, and again probably didn't ask him. Comey also rewrote the law claiming Congress wanted intention to be part of the law, which they didn't include in the wording, without having asked them. He also outright ignored her lying under oath to Congress, along with all the people who lied to the FBI during the investigation. He also failed to investigate any of the bribes Clinton took while SOS, didn't even look into it to see if there might be something.”


“The FBI having [Clinton IT specialist Paul] Combetta take the fall for the deletions while making an immunity deal with him *could* be a particularly clever move to prevent anyone from being indicted. That part isn't clear yet.
In any circumstances, the FBI giving Combetta immunity makes no sense at all. It's the equivalent of giving a hired hitman immunity without going after the person who hired him.”

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The noose is getting tighter and tighter on Trump. He wants to be an Oligarch and was using the Presidential campaign run to up his street cred with Putin. Attacking HRC like a pitbull and saying crazy shit was exactly what Putin wanted from him. He was always in it for the money, he never thought he would win. If he had lost, he might've become a billionaire. Now we have to fix the china shop after the bullshitter is through. It's not a zero sum game. Everybody loses. Not least of all the environment and our chances for a prosperous, carbon free future.
 
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I don’t know if this article by Margaret Sullivan in the WaPo has been posted before, so I will.

Following the election, hardly any journalists reflected that they were living in their high-brow bubble, and only
writing to impress each other. This article really only goes part of the way to addressing this.



“To put it bluntly, the media missed the story. In the end, a huge number of American voters wanted something different. And although these voters shouted and screamed it, most journalists just weren’t listening. They didn’t get it”

“Journalists — college-educated, urban and, for the most part, liberal — are more likely than ever before to live and work in New York City and Washington, D.C., or on the West Coast. And although we touched down in the big red states for a few days, or interviewed some coal miners or unemployed autoworkers in the Rust Belt, we didn’t take them seriously. Or not seriously enough.

And Trump — who called journalists scum and corrupt — alienated us so much that we couldn’t see what was before our eyes. We just kept checking our favorite prognosticating sites and feeling reassured”

“no one seemed to believe it in their bones. We would have President Clinton, went the journalistic conventional wisdom”

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Posted - Dec 18 2018 : 1:47AM



“ ”So now the polls just closed, and they start announcing numbers,” Trump said. “And I say, ‘Oh, this is gonna be embarrassing.’ I’m trying to figure out what am I gonna do. And I have this ballroom that’s not that big because I didn’t know if I was gonna win or lose.”
But what he did know is that if he was going to lose, “I didn’t want a big ballroom.” Trump reenacted the brisk concession he would have delivered, in which he would have thanked his supporters and said good night”

“They knew they were gonna win until the final week. They knew bad things were happening, and I got a good sign when four days before the end — I called up Mike — they just canceled the fireworks,” Trump said. “It was a front-page story. They canceled. Now usually you cancel fireworks because you don’t want fireworks if you’re gonna lose, right? Did anybody ever use fireworks if they’re gonna lose? Governor, in the history of elections, if you lose, you don’t set off fireworks, right?”
Trump said he “wanted to be a wise guy” after reports of the cancellation. “So I offered them 5 cents on the dollar for their fireworks, OK?” Trump told the crowd. “I did. We never heard back. No, we never heard back. We never heard back.”
 
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Simple Simon wrote:
Revisionist 20/20 hindsight.
You know how I know that?
Simple Simon wrote:
So is it possible that TGrump couldn't believe Trump could win, so he looked the other way?
Did he miss the story that a huge number of American voters wanted something different, so he just wasn’t listening: he didn’t get it?
Because he's college-educated, urban and, for the most part, liberal — and more likely than ever before to live and work in New York City and Washington, D.C. (or on the West Coast.) And although He touched down in the big red states for a few days, or interviewed some coal miners or unemployed autoworkers in the Rust Belt, he didn’t take them seriously. Or not seriously enough.
The fact is, Hillary had more votes than TGrump.
It's the distribution of the votes into certain states that makes an electoral victory for a candidate with fewer supporters than the other candidate, who has millions more supporters.
It's understanding the distribution of votes in swing states that was missed. And it was likely missed because of something I saw that I had not ever noticed before in an election -- people being interviewed in lines outside polling stations who were willing to wait in line for hours to vote, but who "weren't sure yet" who they would vote for. It was obvious at the time that a large number of people were unwilling to admit who they were going to vote for, and many people probably lying to family and pollsters because they weren't willing to admit, especially on tv, that they were going to vote for such a huge creep.
The Trump-Pence sign at the end of my block, which was the only political sign within blocks of my house, was removed by the owner the afternoon of the Access Hollywood tape. It reappeared a few days later when they had told themselves whatever soothing cover-up sorts of things they had to tell themselves in order to put it back out. I believe it was probably the wife who wanted it taken down, and the husband who soothed her for a few days to put it back out (I know her a wee bit, don't know him, just his American flag and his elk antlers mounted over the garage door, etc.).
We had two things here:
Hillary had more votes than Trump.
People lied to pollsters about how they were going to vote.
Those can mislead people about who is going to win.
There is also a deep-seated thing that all people have, that leads us to believe that the future will be similar to the past. It's the reason people buy stocks when they are going up and decline to buy stocks when they are headed down. It leads us to believe that the people in this country will, on the whole, try to be decent, or at least try to appear to be decent. It allows us to think that we are better people than the Germans were in the 40's. The shock that we aren't is hard to swallow. The mind does tend to reject that. My mind still does want to believe that we can straighten this out and redeem ourselves somehow.
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Not really news, I'm sure all parties do such things. It's still funny though.

"Cohen commissioned John Gauger ... to write a computer script to repeatedly vote for Mr Trump in a February 2015 Drudge Report poll"
"Cohen paid him in cash out of a blue shopping bag, although not for the total amount he was owed"
 
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Posted - Jan 18 2019 : 8:41AM
^Very few would be stupid enough to rig an ONLINE poll. That's utterly moronic.
OH. WAIT.

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Posted - Jan 19 2019 : 6:37PM
The second anniversary of Trump's presidency.
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^ Good Lord! Has it only been 2 years? Feels like 10! And I'm not even American!
One good thing! 2 years or less left! C'mon less! Papa needs his sanity back!
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Posted - Jan 19 2019 : 9:13PM
^ I was listening to a US political scientiest, and he was saying the media love Trump. From The New York Times and WaPo, who experience a surge in subscriptions, to the conservative outlets, who also increase their audience.
This is so unlike any other other Presidency. Basically from the day Trump announced he was running, he has been in the news every single day. (And I'm not American either.)
 
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^ It doesn't surprise me one bit as he is known to be the reality TV president after all. Besides, what does a self-serving person require? Attention!
 
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^ Oh! The broken record started back up again! smh.

He's or should I say, they have nothing else to hang their MAGA hats on except to rehash old chants. Keep it alive!


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Posted - Feb 22 2019 : 11:19PM
A great article by Michael Wolff in Feb. '17.

"Often the primary subject of the Trump rallies was the media itself. Reporters at these events were singled out. They were the opposition - opposed to Trump, opposed to making America great again, representing the structural conspiracy that supported and defined a United States against the interests of Trump's American people."

"Trump, as he taunted and baited the media, turned this force that was mostly against him, into the strongest symbol of what he and his were against. The more the media was against him, the stronger a hated symbol of arrogance and intolerance and elitism it became."

"Not only did a Trump victory reveal colossal media incompetence, but it confirmed what the Trump side had said all along: the media was hopelessly biased, and, not just more in favour of one than the other, but wholly unable to see beyond its own world and reality. The media said Trump should not be elected and therefore could not imagine that he could be."


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Posted - Feb 27 2019 : 2:31AM
"Cohen desctribed Trump as “a man who ran for office to make his brand great, not to make our country great”.

“He had no desire or intention to lead this nation – only to market himself and to build his wealth and power,” he said. “Mr Trump would often say, this campaign was going to be the “greatest infomercial in political history. He never expected to win the primary. He never expected to win the general election. The campaign – for him – was always a marketing opportunity."

"Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. He lied about it because he never expected to win"

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I admit, I don't know WHAT to think about the whole "he didn't expect to win"-train of thought.

OTOH, yeah, this totally seems like a huge publicity stunt by him just for ratings, sure.

But...

1) He'd been talking about running since the late 80s. And people were seriously inquiring it of him, as he was still fairly lucid at the time, and actually made a good bit of sense. (And it didn't hurt that we were in the period of the "Rockstar CEO" period of Lee Iacocca and all that.

2) He DID run under the banner of the Reform Party, somethign which many have seem to forgotten. It never got past exploratory but he did go from event to event and conducted several interviews, feeling it out.

3) He did a SHIT ton of campaigning. I gotta give him that, he seems to have a demonic fervor that defied fatigue.

4) Once he started appearing at the top of the polls in the primaries early on, buttressed by the anti-immigrant sentiment of the base, what did he THINK was going to happen? If he didn't want to win, one might think he would have started acting like an actual human being and ratcheting down the rhetoric. He did no such thing.


5) Part and parcel with #5, why did he pay off Stormy Daniels and the playboy chick? If you don't want to win, revealing you've had adulterous affairs to your evangelical audience would appear to be the best way to accomplish that.

6) Consorting with the Russians, Wikileaks....that's not the sort of thing you do if you don't want to win either.


Of course, all this conjecture hardly matters now, and really doesn't belong in this thread. I just find it interesting for the historical context.

 
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I think Russia planned that Clinton would win, but there would be so much division that a Clinton presidency would effectively not be able to govern.

"Russia wanted a bitterly divided America and over the past three years it got exactly what it wanted.

Whether the Mueller Report found collusion or no collusion, the end result is the same — a political chasm in the United States, with opposing sides more angry, more bitter and more turned against themselves than at any time in recent memory.

Huge numbers of American people have become so paranoid that they no longer trust the institutions that made their democracy great.

The Russians must be pleased with themselves. Their enemy has become divided against itself and US alliances around the world have become strained.

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It’s always had its share of divisions. Its civil war saw hundreds of thousands of its citizens die. Issues of race, religion, culture have always bubbled away. And as in any democracy, there’s always been a contest of ideas. But the internet age has given American enemies the ability to amplify and weaponise these divisions.

[...]

What Russia really wanted was for Americans to be at war with themselves.

A divided and confused America is a reduced threat. So how could they achieve it?

The Russians fought an electronic war, stirring controversy and causing division largely through fanning the flames of conflicts online through social media.

The Russians realised that if they could push one side or another on divisive issues such as race, gun control, policing, religion, LGBT issues, climate change and more they would exacerbate internal discord in the US.

It wasn’t that these issues didn’t exist already in the US, but social media was weaponised to whip debates into a frenzy.

The fires of division were already burning and the Russian intervention poured petrol on them."

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From the comments

“the big danger both major parties face in neglecting low income earners is the American phenomena. You need not wonder too much about why low income earners become dissociated from the best aspects of democracy, if you ignore them time after time. They are not fools. They 'get' your disinterest to their plight. Unfortunately many then ignore you and your party. They become angry, uninformed and reactive in regard to who they support at elections. And it doesn't take much for some wise guy with deep pockets to come along and fan that anger into a bonfire for all the wrong reasons.”

 
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I don’t know how much information you can really gain from Trump’s personal tax returns. Like most millionaire’s, I don’t think he would have many of his income producing assets in his own name.But the claims of being a self-made billionaire businessman are most important when assessing how he we was able to  convince people to vote him to be president.

“For years Donald Trump spruiked his business savvy to anyone who would listen — but in reality, he was in “deep financial distress” and secretly losing tens of millions of dollars.”

“Trump drew on his alleged financial and business credentials during his presidential campaign, with many citizens voting for him precisely for that reason.

During the campaign, Mr Trump relentlessly painted himself as a business genius able to overcome setbacks and bankruptcies — which he blamed on the recession of 1990 rather than his own failings — to rebuild his fortune and empire.

As journalists Russ Buettner and Susanne Craig argue in their lengthy piece, “Mr Trump built a business licensing his name, became a television celebrity and ran for the White House by branding himself a self-made billionaire” who made his fortune with a $US1 million loan from his father.” “

“during the presidential campaign, Mr Trump often claimed he built his empire from next to nothing.

“My father gave me a very small loan in 1975, and I built it into a company that’s worth many, many billions of dollars,” he said at the time."



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Posted - May 9 2019 : 4:23AM

^ Another article on Trump’s tax returns. Leaving out what they supposedly tell us about Trump’s actual wealth, they include some more observations on the success of the campaign.

“The one single thing all voters knew about Donald Trump when they put him in the White House was that — love or hate him — he knew how to make money.

Many hoped he would jumpstart the U.S. economy, making inspired trade deals and trouncing rivals such as China and the EU.

Why? Because he had done much the same in his own stellar business career.

‘I’m the most successful person ever to run for the presidency, by far,’ he boasted in June 2015.”

“Throughout [the] campaign, Trump repeatedly claimed that he received only a ‘very small’ $1million loan from his hard-headed property tycoon father to start him out in business.

But just as Trump Sr allowed his son to do a newspaper delivery round in his chauffeur-driven Cadillac, he reportedly cushioned him financially, too.”

“In The Art Of The Deal, Trump said: ‘You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of Press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.’ “


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^ "Trump said: ‘You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of Press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on.’ “

This is it. Trump had claimed he was going to run numerous times, then bailed, he knew he couldn't just do this again; this time he had to "deliver the goods".



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So, people weren’t lying in the polls

“Trump … launched his campaign with a call to ban Muslim immigration and described Mexican immigrants as "rapists".  His signature pledge was building a wall on the southern border.

He also railed against free trade and the loss of manufacturing jobs to China, leading to a debate about whether his victory should be attributed primarily to economic distress or identity politics.

… quantitative evidence suggests Trump's victory is best explained by cleavages on race, ethnicity, religion and immigration. That's the conclusion of ‘Identity Crisis‘"Voters’ attitudes on racial issues accounted for the ‘diploma divide’ between less and better educated whites," the authors write. "Economic anxiety did not." “

“The shy Trump voter effect …

the much-discussed theory that opinion polls underestimated Trump's popularity because voters thought it was not socially acceptable to support him.

… But there's little compelling evidence that this phenomenon actually occurred.

An exhaustive review of polling in the 2016 US election by the American Association for Public Opinion Research found "little backing" for the hypothesis of the shy Trump voter.

The review found polls probably underestimated Trump's support in key states because voters changed their mind at the last minute, some groups turned out in unexpected numbers (African Americans down and rural whites up) and college-educated Clinton supporters were over-sampled.”

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“[Trump] conned the rust belt with promises to re open the coal mines and steel mills that's what got him the presidency. Can he con them again? Wouldn't surprise me …”

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Posted - Jun 29 2019 : 8:44AM

From the comments

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If Russia did interfere in the election, what is debatable is what impact they had on [the] result. Good to see the USA getting meddled with instead of doing the meddling in other countries.


BobSix
The most decent US president in my lifetime. One only has to look at what the man has done since leaving the White house to see his strength of character.

Then compare with the other US presidents (JFK onwards)! Pretty strong contrast.

[Ummm... JFK?]

 
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If this was already posted I apologize, but I do believe our POTUS just slandered
 
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Posted - Jun 29 2019 : 3:17PM
^That's funny. A month ago he was his bestest friend ever.
 
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Mueller isn't a political figure, and though he may be a public figure, it isn't by choice. That being so, I think he may have an excellent chance of successfully suing Trump for slander. So, is Trump really that dumb, or just that worried that he's about to get impeached?

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^^^
"In his report ... Mueller found that Russia did meddle in the 2016 US election but that the Trump campaign did not illegally conspire with Russia"

From the comments.

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"Donald Trump, without offering evidence". Since when has trump ever needed evidence? His voter base don;t care about evidence or truth, his party threw truth, evidence and honesty out the window when they selected the failed businessman as their leader. and worst of all, far too many in the media have abandoned truth and evidence in an effort to remain on the good side of this narcissistic megalomaniacal war-monger. however there is a broader problem here, Leaders from around the globe are seeing how Trump just ignores the truth and gets away with it so are starting to emulate his actions and methods"

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'...also accused Mueller of having a business conflict of interest tied to Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort...' As opposed to Trump himself? Is this finally peak hypocrisy?"


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"Three years before Donald Trump bulldozed his way to the party’s presidential nomination, the Republican National Committee issued an emergency warning to party loyalists.

The Growth and Opportunity Project report, commissioned after Mitt Romney's loss to Barack Obama in 2012, may have had a bland title. But its central conclusion was arresting: "Unless changes are made, it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win another presidential election in the near future."

The report argued that the party faced electoral armageddon because of the growing number of non-white Americans.

In order to compete with Democrats, the report concluded that Republicans urgently needed to increase their appeal to racial minorities, especially Hispanic voters.

[...]

the masterstroke of Trump's 2016 campaign was his realisation that, in an increasingly diverse America, Republicans didn't have to reach out to minorities to win elections. They could also triumph by "exploiting the politics of both white racial resentment and white racial identity".

"For a long time white Americans have held disproportionate cultural, political, economic and social power," she says. "Now many whites feel that their group is no longer securely on top and they feel threatened.""



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It doesn't sound reasonable to me that the Russians were able to get into the electronic voting records, were able to change the votes, but decided not to. No country that has expended that much effort and refuse to make that effort pay off for them.

 
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^ Why would they change any votes if the results were already what they wanted?

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Posted - Jul 27 2019 : 5:49AM
^I may have misinterpreted what the report meant by “voter data”, as it might not mean the actual vote could be deleted or changed. The NYT article that addresses this is behind a paywall, but this Esquire article quotes the NYT article:
Seems oddly suspicious that Russia would have the ability to change/delete data, but not cross that line.


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