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This, This is exactly why we cannot wait. Decide, unify and attack. This is scary shit.

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Her campaign is going so poorly, I wondered if this was the appropriate thread, but she hasnít dropped out yet, so.... It was never a serious campaign though, so I guess it doesnít really matter. But if she keeps up this sort of nonsense, she might get primaried in 2020 race for her House seat.

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What Mueller stated in his report was that he could neither prove nor disprove the charge against Trump. Granted, his statement has no legal standing, and he really should not have said it in the first place, but one can assume that he did not want to be seen as validating Donald Trump in any way.
 
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This tweet is funny and all -- but also worth remembering, the GOP gets out there and VOTES.


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^^We didn't see but a sliver of Mueller's report. We saw Barr's 4 page interpretation of what he wants people to believe Mueller said. The only thing we really saw of Mueller's report were 4 quoted sentences and none of them were complete sentences. Although one of the quotes from Mueller does appear as if he does not want to state a conclusion on whether or not obstruction took place, the actual report, if the news sources are true, is over 300 pages. I'm sure the reading of it is more nuanced than Barr would have us believe. Yes, she did say we should see the Mueller report, but if you watch the entire video, that thought was an aside, and not the main message.

The reason why I and a lot of other Democrats find this video repulsive is her use of the phrase "...put aside our partisan interests..." as it relates to the Trump/Russia investigation. Trump/Russia was never about party lines. We all saw Trump tell Lester Holt that he fired Comey because of Russia. Then we saw the very next day that he invited Sergey Kisliak (Russian Ambassador) and Sergei Labrov (Russian Foreign Minister) to the White House, and only invited Russian members of the press to take pictures. We learned that Trump revealed top secret intelligence to the Russians on their WH visit. Then we saw McMaster and other cabinet members lie for Trump until the truth was revealed. Given all of this, it's ridiculous for anyone, much less a Democrat running for President, try to portray this investigation as a partisan act.

 
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Sure, but that right there proves he isn't a Russian agent, because a Russian agent would never be that stupid. So, let's think about it this way:
Trump wants to 'bromance' Putin, for whatever reason. Therefor, he doesn't want any criticism of Putin coming from his administration. Since Trump knows jack-shit about governing, he does what he would do on 'The Apprentice' - he fires Comey.
Again, optics which are good if you want to pal it up with Putin. Does it mean Trump is Putin's lapdog? No, because if he was then Putin would tell him to STFU about Russia. Trump may be an idiot when it comes to 3D chess, but Putin isn't.
It may be ridiculous to you, but that doesn't prove it will seem ridiculous to people who don't believe Trump is a Russian agent, even if they don't particularly care for him. So, what is it that you hope to gain? If you want to peel voters away from Donald Trump, if you want to sway independents, then I strongly suggest you drop the Russian angle and go straight to the economy. That is where exposing the difference between his rhetoric and reality may actually gain traction.


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^ About "bromacing" Putin, don't forget that once FM45 is voted out, he's going back to developing hotels. FM45 still needs Putin to help him build a T***p Tower Hotel in Moscow.

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I want to see the Mueller report.

What we've seen so far isn't even the Cliff's Notes. It's a partisan review.

Discussing conclusions about the Mueller report based on the reading the Barr report would be like telling you all about a movie that I haven't actually seen, but I read a review of it -- written by the director's gofer.

You know, I could do that. But I'm waiting to see the Mueller report (which I assume will be heavily redacted, possibly in a partisan way).

I stopped believing, a long time ago, that facts make any difference in this political climate. We're too far gone now. But I still would like to see the report.

Not having seen it, I haven't formed an opinion about how it relates to the 2020 election.


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Rather than try to say the right things to sway independents, she should first make sure she isn't saying anything that is going to alienate her from Democratic voters. To paint the investigations as "partisan" will make Democrats want to find another candidate. Not as if she was much of a candidate to begin with, but saying this stuff certainly won't help. I do believe that the Trump/Russia issue should not be front and center in any Democratic campaign, but it shouldn't be ignored either.

I don't think she'll have a very long career in politics anyway. Tulsi is unpopular even in Hawaii, but she usually wins because her opponents are awful candidates, and Hawaii voters don't do very good research on their candidates.

 
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^^ I'm pretty sure that they can't leave unsubstantiated accusations in it, as that would be slander. I don't think they can leave Grand Jury testimony in it, either. Ergo, it is going to be redacted, and people are going to fill in the blanks according to their predisposition towards Donald Trump.

The best we can hope for is that Mueller did his job without fear or favor, and that if he could nail somebody for a crime then he did just that. Given the testimonials about his character, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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It's time for the left to start looking at policy to defeat him, not past crimes to remove him.

Unify, Focus, Attack.

 
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An excerpt from the article:

Former Republican Sen. Jeff Flake would prefer a Democrat win the 2020 election than have FM45 serve a second term, saying that "four years is difficult enough to unravel some of the damage" done internationally by the administration.

Senator, I only have one piece of advice for you. Switch sides and help the Dems win. C'mon Moderate, help your State and Country out! Talk is cheap! Time for action!

 
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By saying switch sides, does that mean you are encouraging Flake to change to Democrat?
 
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^ Why not? It happens in Canada quite a bit. Either that or declare himself as an independent. (I know, I know. He's not in office anymore).

In Canada, if a MP (Member of Parliament - Federal) or a MPP (Member of Provincial Parliament) doesn't like how his or her party is handling a particular issue, the member can switch sides, or sit as an independent or even, resign.

Take the case of Amanda Simard, for example. Ms. Simard was a MPP for the PC Party. She left the party to sit as an independent because Doug Fraud, the leader of the party and current Premier of Ontario, decided to eliminate the province's French-language services commissioner and cancelled plans for a new French-language university. (Source: Wiki)

The current case of SNC-Lavalin caused our AG (now former), Jody Wilson-Raybould, to resign. Along with her, 2 other MPs quit their post but still sit in the Liberal caucus.

A lot of politicians switch sides. For example, Bob Rae, former leader of NDP (New Democrat Party) and former Premier of Ontario. He now sits as a Liberal in the Federal Liberal Party.

In Canada, it's always been country or province before party.

I'm sure in America, it's the same thing but for me, it's really hard to see that right now, regardless of what your politicians say.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall, right?

Edited by - grover on 3/30/2019 5:35:07 PM

 
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If you are going to try to get conservatives to join the Democrats, are you going to work to make the party more conservative?

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Conservatives don't have a party anymore.

Depending on what you mean by conservatives.

 
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Actual conservatives, yes we exist. However, calls for conservatives seem to indicate that there isn't an understanding of the differences between liberals and conservatives.
 
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^^^ Not necessarily. Flake is a moderate conservative. But what does that really mean? Below is an article that defines political ideology.

According to the essay, there is no such thing as a moderate conservative. You are either liberal (left), conservative (right) or moderate (middle).

Moderates (Middle)

Moderates usually represent a mix of both liberal and conservative ideologies. The
majority of Americans classify themselves as more moderate than liberal or
conservative.

So, my answer would be no.

 
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A third party is needed, always has been. Money isn't there to support it.
 
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THis best not be anymore DNC skullduggery.

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^ x 3 There are inherent pros and cons about having a third party.

In Canada, we have 3 major parties, the Liberals (Libs), the Progressive Conservatives (PC) and the New Democrats (NDP).

One pro is the third party can act like a check and balance.

One con is that you can have vote splitting.

Vote splitting is an electoral effect in which the distribution of votes among multiple similar candidates reduces the chance of winning for any of the similar candidates, and increases the chance of winning for a dissimilar candidate.

Vote splitting most easily occurs in plurality voting (also called first-past-the-post) in which each voter indicates a single choice and the candidate with the most votes wins, even if the winner does not have majority support. For example, if candidate A1 receives 30% of the votes, similar candidate A2 receives another 30% of the votes, and dissimilar candidate B receives the remaining 40% of the votes, plurality voting declares candidate B as the winner, even though 60% of the voters prefer either candidate A1 or A2.

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I consider myself a moderate conservative and moderate Libertarian.
I would actually make the argument for four or more.

From being a partial Republican, the left and the right sides of the Republican are at odds with each other and the Republican party should split in half.
While I am not a Democrat, the same seems to be true of the Democratic party as well.
That would give us four parties right there. I suspect a lot of the moderate Libertarians would end up going for the right side new Democratic party or the left side new Republican party.
But after the split and people find new political homes I think that the parties should be reevaluated for the potential need for more to fill missing holes.

 
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If you have a chance, please take the Political Typology Quiz, conducted by the Pew Research Centre. It's only 17 questions. Link is below.

I just took the quiz and I am, drum roll, please, ....

Your best fit is...

Solid Liberals

along with 16% of the public.

Highly educated and politically engaged, Solid Liberals hold consistently liberal values. They back a robust role for government and are strong advocates of the social safety net. Large majorities view the current economic system as unfair and see economic inequality as a major problem. They take broadly positive views of immigrants, and fully 99% think being open to people from around the world is an essential part of the nationís identity. Most say more needs to be done to address both racial discrimination and obstacles to womenís achievement. They support same-sex marriage and believe homosexuality should be accepted by society. Solid Liberals are the most Democratic of all typology groups: nearly two-thirds (64%) identify as Democrats, another 35% lean toward the Democratic Party.

 
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Your best fit is...
Core Conservatives
along with 13% of the public.

This overwhelmingly Republican group holds conservative attitudes across a wide range of issues, especially in their support for smaller government. Core Conservatives are deeply skeptical of the social safety net and favor lower tax rates on corporations and high-income individuals. While they are divided on whether immigrants do more to strengthen or burden the country, Core Conservatives offer far more positive views of immigrants than do Country First Conservatives. Core Conservatives are relatively upbeat about national conditions and a majority says that the United States ďstands aboveĒ all other nations in the world.

 
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Disaffected Democrat - along with 14% of the public.

 
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^ & ^^ Good! Now, we know where we stand. I hope more people take the quiz. It'll be interesting to see if we have a cross-section of political ideals on this board.
 
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The Hill:

Once again, whether you agree or disagree with their position, idiots in charge worrying about keeping their jobs instead of doing what they feel is best for the nation.


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I'm sick of ninnies.

Take a stand.

It makes me sick to look at boneless losers like Lindsey Graham, now. We don't need any of them.


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Took the quiz. Same here
 
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Won't bother with a 2019 Elections thread, we'll just put this here:


Also, another Special Election: Democrat Pam Iovino wins a PA State Seat:


Democrat Pam Iovino defeated Republican D. Raja in a critical special election for Pennsylvania's 37th State Senate District on Tuesday night, marking the first red-to-blue legislative flip of the cycle and putting Democrats just three seats away from taking control of the chamber next year.

Iovino was leading Raja by an 54-46 margin at press time in this suburban Pittsburgh district, which Trump carried by a modest amount but supported Democrats up and down the ticket by wide margins last year. And with her win, Iovino continued the recent trend of Democratic gains in suburban areas.

As woman and Navy veteran who'd also served her country as a VA official, Iovino offered a profile similar to that of many candidates who met with success in the 2018 midterms. She also enjoyed support from the highest levels of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party, including Gov. Tom Wolf, Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, and Rep. Conor Lamb, who ran strongly in this area during his own special election victory last year and personally stumped for Iovino.


*Note:

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You cannot win now Joseph, even if these allegations are false.
The only thing you can do is further split the party. Do what you have always done:
put the party 1st and step aside.

 
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^ Holy crap!

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I dunno. The women don't feel that sexual harassment was an issue. It seems more like inappropriate personal space.

About ten years ago I was talking with an acquaintance in my home. She's a fairly dynamic person -- busy, brusque, edgy -- and she was making an emphatic point and leaned in so close she could have kissed me. I mean, nobody just gets in that close to your face without a kiss. It was uncomfortable, but there wasn't anything sexual about it. I mentioned it to a friend, and she said, "Oh, yeah, that's Kim for ya." Her sense of personal space is a bit askew.

Someone on tv mentioned that Biden has been in politics since the era of 'kissing babies'. Lots of glad-handing and some back-clapping and arms around people for photos. It goes on way too long, and a couple of times Hillary tries to tap out, but Biden is oblivious. I don't see anything of sexual harassment in it; it's just awkward. It seems like the sort of uncomfortable moment that these women are describing.

 
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I agree, but it's been blurred past separation now. anything resulting in physical contact is now harassment, if that is what the person on the receiving end wants it to be, regardless of intention.
 
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Another citizen who looks at the Democratic field for POTUS and sees that it is lacking something...him.


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^ Interesting - I didnít expect him to run. Heís a little late to be entering this field so he has a lot of ground to cover. I wish him well.

I bought his book ďA Mindful NationĒ on Kindle a while back and read the first few chapters. Now that heís in the race, I should read the rest of it.

 
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Excerpts from the article:

New Mexico is the latest state to join a compact pledging to devote its electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote in future presidential elections if enough states sign on.

Democratic state Sen. Carlos Cisneros cosponsored the bill, which was signed by Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on Wednesday. Cisneros said he hopes the elimination of the "archaic" Electoral College will give New Mexico more influence in national elections.

California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington state and the District of Columbia have also joined the compact.

I surmise that these are blue states.


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Urghhhh.

Biden (speaking to the UAW, I think...) just joked to the crowd that he had permission to hug *someone* -- I assume it was the person who introduced him.

I had an instant negative reaction to how disrespectful that was to the women who had come forward.

The crowd roared approval -- the best applause I'd heard from them this morning, and the only real enthusiasm.

So, first, I do not think the women's complaints belong in the 'me too' category, and I think they diminish the 'me too' movement.

But I think the personal space issue is a reasonable, separate thing to discuss, without as much fuss as it's been getting.

However, joking about it is belittling the women, which is a straight-out reversal of his more respectful statements, and it makes him look insincere.

The crowd roaring is like some kind of "Shut up, women" message, which is repugnant.

I waited a couple of beats to ask my husband what he heard, and he hated it.

 
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^ He's done! For real, this time.
 
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He was done when the first woman came forward, no one wanted to admit it. That generation can't see it as anything wrong and I truly believe they don't see it as a big deal.

Question:
How is this any different from "Grab 'em by the pussy"? Imo, it isn't. Ones just more crude.

Edited by - FlacFan on 4/5/2019 12:30:14 PM

 
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It's patronizing to pet someone on the head like a dog, or to invade their space. Manspreading on the bus is disrespectful of your other passengers. People also complain about fat people (or other people) in the next seat on a plane, crowding them or taking up the arm rest. Some people act like they own the sidewalk, and don't yield at all to other pedestrians -- even worse if they're walking side by side and can't scoot into single file for other people approaching.

None of those are the same thing as having someone presume to grab your genitals. They are annoyances or inconveniences, and some reveal some nasty attitudes. But they aren't anything like grabbing someone's genitals.

 
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Excerpts from the article:

Former Vice President Joe Biden's efforts to fend off criticism about his touchy, intimate style with women has renewed scrutiny of his leadership in 1991 when the Senate heard law professor Anita Hill's sexual harassment claims against Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas.

That episode could ultimately present more of a problem for Biden as he considers a 2020 presidential run. The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time, he has long had to defend himself against complaints that he did not take Hill's allegations seriously and, after being pressured to hold a hearing on her claims, presided over a circus-like smartbuydisc.ru in which Hill was humiliated.

Hill, then a law professor at the University of Oklahoma and now at Brandeis University, alleged that Thomas harassed her with talk of pornography when she worked for him in the 1980s at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Department of Education.

 
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You asked for it and it has happened. US Rep. Eric Swalwell is the latest Democrat to enter the presidential race.


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