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"It's often hard to know whether Trump believes his ongoing falsifications. In this case, Trump does seem to know he could very well lose. Yet the sheer volume of falsehoods and distortions employed by Trump and his campaign to portray him as dominant and in control - which they plainly see as critical to his political mystique - is in a sense threatening to overtake that awareness."

 
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^^ "Better than nothing" may be true, but it is beside the point, which went to your previous assertion regarding what a President Biden's biggest problem would be.

Edited to add another up arrow, so as to point to the correct post I'm responding to.

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Trump SHOULD fear that it's likely he'll be beaten in 2020. However, IMO, a Trump loss in 2020 is likely to depend on the person who's the Democratic Party's Presidential Nominee, managing to maximize the opportunities for doing serious public damage to Trump, which the Dem will just have on a few occasions, when tens of millions of American TV viewers are really paying close attention, and are focused on hearing examples of Donald Trump's offenses & failings, that his Democratic rival can lay out for the TV viewers at home.

Of course, those few occasions that I just referred to, are the traditional nationally televised debates between the Republican and Democrat Presidential Nominees, which have been a regular feature of American Presidential Campaigns since the Kennedy/Nixon debates of 1960. Actually, it's during such Presidential debates, even more so than is the case when the 2 major party candidates give their nomination acceptance speeches, at their respective conventions, that finds the greatest portion of America's people paying close attention to what information that the candidates are communicating, or what information that each candidate becomes the target of.

The importance of such huge numbers of Americans watching and listening to those debates, CAN'T really be overstated, because those are events which can expose so many people to hearing information and claims about the 2 rivals, which many folks have not previously been exposed to, if they've only been digesting information that's presented to them by their usual conservative or liberal news sources.

For example, I continue to be astounded by the fact that it seems to be a sad reality that fewer than half of the American people are even aware of the STUNNINGLY UNPATRIOTIC lie that President Trump told an Illinois rally audience, which was Trump's October 2018 attempt at CHANGING the history of events that surrounded the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for the purpose of helping Mr Trump, politically.

On Saturday night, October 27th 2018, when speaking to his Murphysboro, Illinois rally audience, President Trump introduced the lie that his friend, Dick Grasso, who headed the New York Stock Exchange on 9/11/2001, had supposedly "worked very hard" to make sure that the stock exchange was "re-opened for business, the day after 9/11", because in Trump's words "We can't allow these sick people to change the way we run our lives!"

Of course, the ACTUAL, true history of that sad month of September 2001, is that rather than the NYSE re-opening for business as usual, on September 12th 2001, which was our President's FALSE claim, the New York Stock Exchange had really REMAINED CLOSED until the week AFTER 9/11, when it FINALLY re-opened on Monday September 17th 2001.

But Trump had possessed a motive for changing America's almost SACRED history of 9/11, when he presented that Illinois rally audience with his false claim that New York's famous stock exchange re-opened so QUICKLY after the 9/11 attacks. Since, by still going ahead with his rally in Murphysboro, Illinois, Trump was rightfully being criticized for proceeding with the rally on the exact same tragic Saturday, that only hours before, 11 Jewish Americans had just been massacred in a Pittsburgh synagogue, in the worst case of a specific targeting of Jewish Americans for mass murder, that's taken place in our country's history.

And America's so-called President, by falsely claiming that the management of New York's stock exchange quickly re-opened the exchange the day after the deadliest & most tragic, horror that's taken place on American soil, was just Trump seeking to make his own disrespect for the Jewish dead of Pittsburgh, seem minor in comparison, though Trump was holding his Illinois rally so soon after those 11 Americans had just been murdered, that Pittsburgh's law enforcement officials, hadn't even progressed enough with their crime scene investigation, to have begun allowing families to view the bodies of their dead loved ones.

BTW, with so much news time & attention, in the days after it, naturally tending to focus on the Pittsburgh mass murder horror, that may explain why even a news hound, like myself, only saw a couple news reports that even NOTED Donald's sick & DEEPLY UNPATRIOTIC lie, which was his fictional VERSION of our shared 9/11 history. But having personally known 2 people who worked in New York's ill-fated World Trade Center, and having visited the WTC, 3 decades ago, myself, even with me being a strong Trump critic, I thought that there must have been some reporting ERROR, when I first saw the USA Today news story, on the internet, detailing what our President had told his Illinois rally audience. Surely, I thought, since Trump was a FELLOW New Yorker to the almost 2,800 New Yorkers who were viciously murdered on 9/11, that meant that even Donald Trump, a man I already detested, could not be SICK enough, or have nerve enough, to EXPLOIT the murders of his fellow citizens, in such a crass and mentally disturbed way, since those victims were actually even killed in the same city that Donald grew up in.

And what made it seem ESPECIALLY unlikely to me that Trump could have actually dared to make such an outrageous claim, is that only if Donald suffers from a very SERIOUS MENTAL defect, could he have possibly failed to realize that any person hearing his NYSE claim, who happened to have a smart phone, or a laptop, could easily find, in 30 seconds of reading 9/11 history, what a HUGE, SICK, lie, that Trump told!

Anyway, to me, it just wasn't 100% proven, that Donald had told his sick & Un-American 9/11 stock exchange lie, until I saw and heard for myself, Trump speaking his sick lie, in video coverage that had been shot of his October 27 2018 Murphysboro, Illinois rally. In that video, Trump says very clearly "I'm not going to tell you everything that he had to do, but my friend worked very hard, to get the New York Stock Exchange re-opened for business, the day after 9/11!"

Man, considering that actual 9/11 history shows that the NYSE stayed closed until 9/17/2001, then, this past October, President Donald J Trump CLEARLY proved that he's perfectly willing to SINK to such a low level of SCUMMY & Obvious, lying, that it's even FAR BEYOND any falsehood that Tricky Dick Nixon, or Slick Willie Clinton, would have ever been nervy enough, or MENTALLY UNSTABLE ENOUGH, to attempt to put over on even the most gullible of their supporters!

Yeah folks, I sure admit that this post is a case of me getting TOO LONG WINDED, but that's because I feel so strongly about this subject.

That's why, during a 2020 Presidential debate, that has rules allowing candidates to address each other, I hope to hear the Democrat direct a statement at Trump, that's something like this: "Mr President, how can you actually consider yourself to be a patriotic American, since on Saturday October 27th 2018, you made the false claim to your Murphysboro, Illinois rally audience, that New York's famous stock exchange was quickly re-opened for business as usual, the day after the 9/11 terror attacks, which was just your dishonest ploy to deflate criticism you were getting, for holding a political rally, just hours after 11 Jewish Americans, in a Pittsburgh synagogue, were slaughtered, in the worst specific targeting of American Jews, for mass murder, in our country's history?"

Certainly, if Trump was hit by such a statement in a nationally televised debate, he would INSTANTLY deny he'd ever made such a claim.

But after the debate, almost every American TV news organization (other than Fox "News") would be showing the video of Trump's October 27 2018 Illinois rally, so Americans COULD have NO doubt that Donald had told such an Un-American & Unpatriotic lie. That video could cause countless citizens to ponder questions such as: "Does anyone, like Trump, who showed such disloyalty to America, by telling such an unpatriotic lie about our country's 9/11 history, really deserve to be called an American, much less, an American President?"

And actually, if some of the terrorists who murdered thousands of Americans on 9/11, had somehow survived after that day, if they THEMSELVES saw the video of Trump telling such an EVIL lie, as America's President, there can be little doubt that such America hating terrorists would APPLAUD Trump for his claim that the management of the New York Stock Exchange had such a LACK of RESPECT for the American dead of 9/11, as well as such a disregard for the feelings of family members of the dead, that the stock exchange's management gave a VICTORY to American Greed, by quickly getting the exchange up & running, again, to make MORE MONEY for stock traders.

Yup, it's pretty obvious that America hating, psychotic assholes, of the type who attacked us on 9/11, would really ENJOY hearing Donald Trump speaking his mentally disturbed lie concerning a supposed American reaction to 9/11. In fact, who knows, that this very moment, it's quite possible that the video of Trump telling his NYSE lie, might be in the process of being presented to a crowd of radical Muslims, somewhere in the Middle East, while being portrayed to them as an ACCURATE statement about 9/11's history, to help recruit people into becoming terrorists, by showing them that Americans supposedly refuse to allow business to be interrupted, so that they can just keep making profits, which is more important to those greedy & evil Americans, than any other human value is!

Yeah, NICE going, Mr Trump!

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Actually, he was suggesting that the best response to a terrorist attack is to carry on as if it never happened, a position many people agree with.

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BTW, I must confess to feeling a little disappointed by seeing that, as of now, none of my fellow ADT members has offered any sort of reaction to the long post I typed just above this one, especially since part of my somewhat letdown feeling must stem from the fact that due to my crude, slow, hunt & peck typing capability, most of Tuesday passed me by, while I was concentrating on creating that post. In fact, that process took up the entire 7 hours that my wife was gone, doing her part-time job. But actually, IMO, so much of what ADT members write on the politically oriented threads, is much more important than the work that my Mrs does at a small gambling place.

Anyway, I regret it if the opening of this post just came off sounding like a case of a guy just saying "poor old me".

Because the one basic point that I really want to make clear right now, is an idea that I spent much too many words in my last post, attempting to make quite plain.

And that's simply that Trump sinking down to lying about the worst, most horrific, tragedy that Americans have suffered from, here on our home soil, CLEARLY SHOWED Trump as a man so totally DEVOID of common human DECENCY, that there's literally no level of deception that's too low, too sick, or too scummy, to give Donald even a moment's hesitation, in deciding to exploit, if he thinks he has something to gain by acting in such a depraved and morally corrupt manner.

And that's why I honestly think that if Trump felt there was a substantial gain for him from doing it, he'd be perfectly willing to make up a claim that his late mother had worked as a prostitute before she married Donald's father. Because people who have closely studied the life and career of Donald J Trump, have seen, how over and over again, Trump's behavior has repeatedly shown that he holds no respect for any ethical standards, whatsoever!

Oh, and by the way, concerning America's almost sacred history of 9/11, another lie about that history that Donald Trump has told, was Donald's sudden, and false, claim that caught his Republican rivals flat-footed in 2016, when candidate Trump blurted out these words, during a GOP candidates debate: "I lost hundreds of friends on 9/11!" However, in Trump's home city of New York, though the weeks which immediately followed the 9/11 attacks, included funerals for thousands of the almost 2,800 Americans who were murdered in New York City on that awful day, there is NO RECORD of Donald Trump having attended any of those funerals. And since Trump was the man who personally headed the company in which he worked, Donald would obviously have had NO trouble with taking any time off from work to pay his respects at funeral services, to any friends of his, who might have died in the 9/11 attacks. So the obvious truth seems to be that Donald Trump actually LOST no SUCH friends on 9/11! Wow, what a bag of TRUE INHUMAN SCUM, who's now called our President!!


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Hardware, that claim that folks are sometimes heard expressing that "the best response to a terrorist attack is to carry on as if it never happened", is one of those ridiculous, throwaway lines, that's all too easy for many folks to voice, unless they personally experience the horror of being directly affected by a terrorist act.

And since in the New York City of September 2001, it literally took WEEKS to hold all of the funerals for the thousands of 9/11's victims, just HOW would you suggest, Hardware, that the New Yorkers of that time could have shown "the best response" to that terrorist attack, by trying "to carry on as if it never happened"? Should NO funerals have been held, so everyone's normal work routine could carry on?

Hopefully, my fellow ADT smartbuydisc.ru member, when you said that carrying on as if a terrorist attack had never happened is "a position that many people agree with", you weren't actually personally endorsing that brainless idea yourself. Because out of respect for the dead victims of terrorist attacks, people will always interrupt their lives to attend funerals, and even observe annual memorials like each year's 9/11 event in New York, with its reading, and remembering, of the names of those who lost their lives, because some religious fanatics believed that their sick acts would gain them their entrance into paradise.

Anyhow, long story short, Hardware, any family that loses a loved one, or loved ones, because of a terrorist attack, CERTAINLY CAN'T just casually carry on, as if that awful attack had never impacted their family. That's why the statement that you typed this evening, is merely one of those things that's easy for people to say, or to believe, if they haven't been personally impacted by the sickness of terrorism.


UPDATE: BTW Hardware, when you responded to what I'd said about Trump falsely claiming that the stock exchange quickly re-opened, after 9/11, to make his own disrespect for the Jewish dead of Pittsburgh seem less serious, as I mentioned earlier, your response to that was the following: "Actually, he was suggesting that the best response to a terrorist attack is to carry on as if it never happened, a position many people agree with."

Now I'm not going to make any further criticism of your statement about folks trying to carry on likes things are normal, but Hardware, by you typing that, you not only seemed to be defending Trump, but as an American Patriot, yourself, where was your outrage over the fact that America's President had just made up an outrageous lie about the worst horror that's occurred on our American homeland, while any of us have been alive? Or do you think it's OK for a President to lie about 9/11 history in order to make the point that Americans should not allow their lives to be changed by terrorists, even though, Mr Trump's REAL PURPOSE for telling that lie, was OBVIOUSLY to cover his own ass, since he'd gone ahead with a political rally, just hours after the worst specific targeting of American Jews for mass murder, in our country's history, had just occurred in Pittsburgh.
And Hardware, Trump's gross behavior & lying, seems like something that you were actually attempting to provide Mr Trump with a flimsy excuse for committing, even though a depraved lie was at the center of Trump's actions. So I really don't know where you were coming from.


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The fact that I disagree with your interpretation of Trump's remarks does not indicate approval of, much less love for our president. I stand in defense of the truth, and let the chips fall where they may.

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Sometimes I spend a lot of time looking up stuff and posting it, but I have to view it as cathartic for me, or just helping me clarify my own thoughts by looking into things and posting about it. There's no predictable payout or anything. That's the internet for ya.

Anyway -- as far as that post, I don't think anything is a real 'gotcha' against tGrump. His followers already know by now what he is, and the deplorables among them like it. The ones who have to lie to themselves in order to keep supporting him, will keep lying to themselves.

One of the most common things you hear when they are asked about it is, "Well, I don't like his tweets, and he says some things I don't like, but he's what we need." There's no magic bullet, no silver bullet, no wooden stake, no garlic garland, no holy water, no cross that is going to set things right.

Now, if there was a real thought bubble above his head, saying what he's really thinking, "I got a whole stadium full of these idiots..." -- well, I like to think that would do it.
But they'd probably say the thought bubble got it wrong, and it's fake news.


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Hardware, I understand that you're saying that what you wrote was not intended to accord any approval by you for Mr Trump, and I take you at your word on that.

However, I'm sorry to say that your statement regarding the false Trump claim about 9/11 and the stock exchange, seems to indicate some muddled, and even contradictory thinking, on your part.

Because when you stated that you disagree with my interpretation of Trump's remarks, you immediately followed that by saying that you "stand in defense of the truth."

Well, if you really want to stand in defense of the truth, you'd admit, right here, that Trump's claim that the New York Stock Exchange re-opened for business, the day after the 9/11 attacks, rather than it being a statement that contained any bit of TRUTH, at all, was actually, a very blatant and INTENSELY unpatriotic: LIE.

I'm sorry, my friend, because interpretation has nothing to do with this, since if you'll check your 9/11 history, the New York Stock Exchange was closed on 9/11 due to the terrorist attacks, and out of respect for the dead, and for their families, that stock exchange remained closed, all the way up until it re-opened, for the first time after the terrorist attacks, on Monday September 17 2001.

Nope, there's no way that Trump's sick & depraved 9/11 claim, can possibly be interpreted as anything other than a pure, 100% LIE!

But, Hardware, I suppose that you might attempt to respond to this post by saying that the interpretation of mine which you were disagreeing with, was my statement that Trump had made up that 9/11 lie for his Illinois rally audience, as his way to deflect the criticism he'd been getting all day, for disrespecting the dead in Pittsburgh, by Mr Trump refusing to cancel that Illinois rally, although it would take place just hours after the horror of the worst targeting of American Jews, for mass murder, had taken place.

Sorry Hardware, but with Trump having been the focus of such criticism for disrespecting the dead, all day on that tragic autumn Saturday before he went ahead with his night rally, Donald taking that reckless & mentally disturbed action of making up such a weird & obvious lie about 9/11, (and about his fellow New Yorkers, too!) can only be explained by Trump feeling he was under such pressure for behaving in such an unacceptable manner, that he needed to tell his rally audience something really strong & attention getting, to take some pressure off of himself. Because why else, would Donald choose to employ such an intense lie at that PARTICULAR TIME, and place?

This isn't rocket science, Hardware. I know you're a smart person who obviously understands what Trump had to have been up to, when he used that sick 9/11 lie in front of an Illinois audience, hours after the historically worst targeting of Jews for mass murder in America's history. Trump's lie MUST have been meant to cover his own ass, because with history's worst targeting of American Jews just having occurred, anyone who believes that Trump's lie following that horror so CLOSELY, was JUST a coincidence, must also be a person who still believes in the Tooth Fairy!

And BTW, there's another particularly sick & ugly aspect to that mass murder of Jewish Americans that occurred on that October Saturday in 2018. The shooter who committed that atrocity had not only stated that he believed in Trump's "Caravan Invasion" BS (which even Shepard Smith of Fox News, called NONSENSE), but the shooter even stated on the internet that he was going into that Pittsburgh synagogue because its members were known to be making financial contributions to help people fleeing from violence in South America, achieve asylum status, so they could live safely in our country. But the shooter's statement on the internet, just before he entered the synagogue, to begin his slaughter, had him saying that he was going to put a stop to the people who were helping to cause an invasion of his country.

Gee, that Pittsburgh mass murderer would certainly have been proud of Trump, to know that Donald still held one of his boisterous, hate fueled rallies, even after the record setting death toll that the Pittsburgh creep had just committed, with his mass shooting of Jews.

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Hey Guys, Here's A Reprint of an October 28 2018 USA Today Headline & News Report, So That Hardware, As Well As The Rest Of My Fellow ADT smartbuydisc.ru Members, Can Understand That I Haven't Misinterpreted Anything In My Last Few Posts About Trump's 9/11 Lie.
(Plus, I think the 2 people I knew, who worked in the World Trade Center, would have appreciated this exposure of a President's Sick Lie)

Here's that USA Today headline: "Explaining why he didn't cancel rally, Trump falsely says NYSE opened day after 9/11"


And here's the USA Today article, itself: "In an effort to explain why he didn't want to change his schedule to cancel a political rally just hours after 11 people were killed in a shooting at a synagogue, President Donald Trump incorrectly said that the New York Stock Exchange reopened the day after the 9/11 attacks.

"With what happened early today, that horrible, horrible attack in Pittsburgh, I was saying maybe I should cancel both this and that," Trump said Saturday at a rally in Murphysboro, Illinois, for Republican Rep. Mike Bost. Earlier in the day, the president had gone forward with an appearance at the Future Farmers of America's annual convention in Indianapolis.

At the rally, Trump said he remembered that after the attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, "the New York Stock Exchange was open the following day."

The problem: The New York Stock Exchange remained closed until Sept. 17 (which has been deemed "Wall Street's proudest day.")

The president made the misstatement while explaining that he did not want to "start changing around our lives and changing around our schedules" for "somebody that's sick and evil."

Trump said Dick Grasso, "a friend of mine, great guy, he headed up the New York Stock Exchange on September 11th, and the New York Stock Exchange was open the following day."

"He said what they had to do to open it you wouldn’t believe, we won’t even talk to you about it, "Trump explained. "But he got that exchange open. We can’t make these sick, demented, evil people important."

He later continued: "We can't allow people like this to become important. And when we change all of our lives in order to accommodate them, it's not acceptable."

"So, I thought of it for a little while, and the press said, "Are you going to cancel these two events?" And, frankly, the Future Farmers, I could have done that one. But this is a rally for Mike Bost – and frankly this one, maybe I could have – except I don't want to change our life for somebody that's sick, and evil. And I don't think we ever should."


Well that was USA's Today's account of Trump speaking his stunning 9/11 lie at that Murphysboro, Illinois rally. With that same information later confirmed by Trump being heard saying the same things on a video of that rally.

And what's actually quite amazing is that although Trump has always said that he had the BEST MEMORY of anyone at his company, plus his Trump Tower home wasn't far from the New York Stock Exchange, he still claimed that he "remembered" that his friend "got that exchange open" the day after the 9/11 attacks.

But since, back in September 2001, Trump was a New York businessman, with investments in the NYSE, who even lived pretty close to that exchange, he really insulted the intelligence of his rally audience to expect them to believe that his memory of that awful time in New York City has him believing that the stock exchange was open on September 12 2001, even though anyone with just a basic familiarity with 9/11 history instantly realizes that Trump's claim is pure bullshit. And New Yorkers, who were adults, in September 2001, have the events of 9/11, and what happened in the days following the terrorist attacks, burned into their memories, so Trump can't claim now that he just happened to be remembering things "wrong" while speaking to his rally crowd, last year, in Illinois.

Yup, Donald sure participated in some insulting of the intelligence of his followers, at that Murphysboro, Illinois rally!
Although, then again, having heard bunches of the Trump zombies, who populate Donald's rallies, being interviewed by journalists, the usually nonsensical answers to questions about current events, that most of those folks can be counted on to give, really tend to provide some solid evidence that one has to reach down QUITE LOW, to be able to insult the intelligence of the average Trump follower.

Well, as others have observed before, a genuine conman, like Trump, can only succeed at selling his cons, if he has a reliable supply of gullible suckers.

 
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It was certainly wrong, but I'm not sure being wrong qualifies as an unpatriotic lie.

Regardless, where I took issue with you was not over what Trump said, but your analysis of why Trump said it. Granted, our president has always had a passing acquaintance with the truth, to the point where one has to question if he even knows what the truth is, and he's always been about promoting Donald Trump. However, the fact remains that his comment, "We can't allow these sick people to change the way we run our lives!", is very much in line with exhortations made by previous leaders when our nation was attacked.

Hence, I disagree with your assertion that he simply trotted it out to distract the rubes from some other offense of his.


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This debate format was messy. If they cut the field down to 3-5, we’d get more substance, rather than so many unknown candidates trying to say the right thing that will somehow make them memorable...in a good way. Some didn’t do so well:

- Beto’s sudden unexpected language change was odd and pandering. And although he has said he’s spoken Spanish his whole life, it sounded uncomfortable.

- Although I thought Cory Booker did well overall, when he started to speak Spanish, I cringed.

- I got to know who John Delaney is. By next week, I will have forgotten who John Delaney is.

- I am not doing so well, because I feel guilty for not supporting Jay Inslee. I believe it’s fairly likely that in another 25-30 years, we will look back on 2019-2020 as a time when we had a chance to make a difference about climate change, but we didn’t do enough. I just don’t know if he can beat Trump, and that has to come first until after 2020.

I thought Elizabeth Warren was outstanding, as expected. I don’t think she even mentioned Trump once. And she certainly came prepared. She is the spunkier, smarter, less guarded “little sister” of Hillary Clinton, with WAYYY less baggage. I think Elizabeth Warren will be the next President of the U.S..

I’m looking forward to tomorrow night. I predict Biden will not do well, sounding old and out of touch. Ok, that’s not a stretch, but I’m still saying it.


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Yup on the cringe-worthy Spanish.

I just can't do predictions right now.


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Takes on last night's debate:



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You can make a case Rather is the most partisan new anchor any major network ever paraded out in front of the camera to read off the teleprompter. Give him credit, he's still moving only a few years short of 90.
 
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Realizes she is floundering in the polls, Harris needed to draw attention to herself. She did.

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OK Hardware, at the risk of people thinking I'm just belaboring Trump's September 11th/stock market lie, I have to respond to you mischaracterizing what Trump told that rally crowd as merely being "wrong" (according to you), instead of what that claim actually was.

Because, for example, a simply wrong, or erroneous statement, by Mr Trump, could have been something just like: "The management of the NYSE re-opened that stock exchange pretty quickly after the terrorist attacks, as I seem to recall that the exchange was open again, for business, in the very same calendar week that included 9/11." (Even though it really re-opened in the NEXT calendar week after 9/11)

Now a statement like that, might be accepted by many people as an honest mistake, because though the NYSE re-opened 6 days after the 9/11 attacks, it's reasonable to assume that someone might mistakenly remember that a re-opening could have occurred the same week.

But rather than merely making a mistake in remembering exactly how many days the NYSE stayed closed after 9/11, or which week it did re-open in, Mr Trump DELIBERATELY invented BS, including FICTIONAL details about his friend supposedly having worked hard to get the stock exchange reopened the day after 9/11, with Trump claiming that the stock exchange DID reopen for business, the day after 9/11!

However, virtually every member of New York City's business community, who was in business, back in September 2001, (including Mr Trump) KNOWS, beyond doubt, that the NYSE, out of respect for 9/11's victims, and their families, remained closed for an UNUSUALLY LONG time (the LONGEST CLOSING in the history of the NYSE!) and certainly was NOT open on the day after 9/11! Even back in November 1963, when the entire nation was shocked by the sudden assassination of President Kennedy, the New York Stock Exchange was not closed for as long as it was closed due to 9/11.

So no intelligent person can accept the absurd idea that a man who was a New York City businessman in September 2001, and even lived close to the NYSE, (in Trump Tower) could actually believe that his friend reopened that stock exchange the day after 9/11.

And why is Trump's OBVIOUS lie, a very Unpatriotic one? Because not only was Donald lying about an event connected to the worst terrorist attack and mass murder of Americans to ever occur on our country's home soil, but Mr Trump's lie also SLANDERED the good Americans who DID exhibit Patriotism, by keeping the New York Stock Exchange closed for a RECORD length of time, but Trump's lie had him PRETENDING that the management of the NYSE did NOT SHOW the Patriotism that they ACTUALLY did when they kept their business closed for a RECORD 6 days after 9/11, since Trump's BS had them resuming their business, the day after the terrorism.

Anyhow, good going Hardware! Because you've succeeded at almost magically turning a lie that was so un-American & unpatriotic, that its creator shouldn't even be called a real American, into something you just consider as a guy making a simple mistake, when speaking.

That's quite a feat, on your part, of minimizing something that's very serious, by describing it as if someone made a slip of the tongue to just get a fact wrong.

Gee, maybe in your world of minimizing things, a guy like Jeffrey Dahmer, would be described as someone who occasionally made the mistake of getting somewhat too rough with some of the strangers he would meet.

Only a boob could even imagine that Trump suddenly making up the sickest lie ever invented concerning an event connected with 9/11, had nothing to do with history's worst mass shooting of American Jews having taken place hours before Donald told that lie.

And as that USA Today article made QUITE clear, Trump used his false claim about a quick reopening of the NYSE, to EXPLAIN why he did NOT cancel his Illinois rally, even after the worst terrorist act specifically aimed at American Jews, had just occurred, earlier that day.


Well anyway, Hardware, I hope that your thinking clears up a little, and you enjoy a good, safe, weekend.

 
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Speaking on the debates as a not a Democrat. I think the ultimate winner was Julian Castro. I think he did a great job of challenging others on crappy policies and getting his views out. Corey Booker didn't do bad but could have performed better.

I think Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg dodged way too many questions for my liking

As for the losers, Elizabeth Warren, Jay Inslee, and Beto O'Rourke all managed to lower my already low opinions of them.

Bernie Sanders came across as a crazy old man who hadn't taken his meds in a week.


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Edited by - Asmodeus on 6/28/2019 9:40:32 PM


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Posted - Jun 28 2019 : 11:48PM
Yeah, that's not thrilling.

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Posted - Jun 29 2019 : 12:31AM
Hell, if Donald Trump can use greed and corruption to win the White House, why not Democrats?! Don't forget we're in the end of days. Damien Thorn would be very proud of current events!

Edited by - Asmodeus on 6/29/2019 2:07:05 PM


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I like Kamala Harris.

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Posted - Jun 29 2019 : 1:10PM
I certainly join you in that, Pieps.

Of course, even before her standout performance in Thursday night's debate,
Senator Harris had already demonstrated that she possesses the toughness
and tenacity of an excellent prosecutor, during her grilling of AG Barr, in that
Senate hearing, where she maintained such an unrelenting focus on Mr Barr,
in spite of Barr's multiple uses of deflection & diversion, to try to avoid giving
a straight answer to a direct question from Harris. That showed Kamala Harris
to be someone whose strength & determination in conducting an inquiry, could
easily remind people of a pit bull that has someone's leg being tightly clamped
in its jaws, with the dog simply refusing to let go, no matter how much the
person is fighting back.

Now, with what was just written above, in no way did I want anyone to think
that I was saying that Kamala Harris looks like, or bears any resemblance to
a dog. Actually, I think the woman is pretty attractive, but that's not important.

I was just attempting to make the point, in my own clumsy way, that Senator
Harris, during a verbal battle with an opponent, seems so strong & determined,
that her steady focus on her adversary, seems like it's about as tough for her
opponent to break, as it is for a person to cause the powerful jaws of a pit bull
to release whatever those jaws are determined to keep clamping down on.

Long story short, IMO, if Trump ever has to debate Kamala Harris, "The Donald"
will be in for some very serious trouble, because just as she already showed in
her grilling of Attorney General Barr, Senator Harris would not allow Mr Trump to
succeed at having any of his usual types of false claims & made-up facts, get
past her.

In a debate, Senator Harris would simply take Trump, and his constant bullshit,
apart, with almost surgical precision.


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Posted - Jun 29 2019 : 1:57PM

In other words, Trump can't wait till he sinks his teeth into the poor little black girl.

Edited by - Asmodeus on 7/1/2019 1:36:34 AM

 
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NBC’s presidential debate in Miami on Thursday — seven months before the Iowa caucuses — broke the record for the biggest television audience for a Democratic primary matchup, a sign of widespread early engagement with the 2020 race.

Nearly 18.1 million Americans watched live on NBC, MSNBC, and Telemundo as 10 candidates clashed. The broadcast included a riveting exchange between Senator Kamala Harris of California and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The ratings, released by Nielsen on Friday, beat the 15.5 million viewers who watched the previous record-holder for a Democratic debate, a meeting of five candidates on CNN in October 2015.

The audience was also greater than the one for Wednesday’s round of the Miami debate, which featured fewer star politicians and was seen by roughly 15.3 million viewers.

Only three presidential primary debates have been seen by more live viewers, all of which featured the 2016 Republican field. The highest-rated primary debate remains a Fox News event in August 2015, which reached 24 million viewers.

 
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...

Edited by - Asmodeus on 7/2/2019 10:15:24 PM


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She's doing quite well!

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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 3:59AM
Even tho she's currently the media darling, Kamala Harris has no chance against Trumpism. If you thought Hillary was a flawed candidate, wait till Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the alt-right fully set their sights on her. It's already happening but you ain't seen nothing until if and when she becomes the official nominee. Get your popcorn ready, 2020 is gonna be a hell of a ride!

Edited by - Asmodeus on 7/4/2019 4:03:13 AM

 
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^
Not saying you're automatically wrong AZ, but there are upsides to a Harris campaign.

As I've mentioned before, Hillary was killed by low Black turnout. It may even be possible that every Dem ticket going forward MUST have an Black/Mutli-Racial person on it in order for victory.


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^ So are we now theorising that blacks will only vote for a black candidate?

Maybe they were mostly just Obama voters, and were/are never going to vote for anyone else regardless.


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Posted - Jul 4 2019 : 6:01PM
I will not be happy in the future voting for any ticket without a woman on it. We're half the population, and it's time our representation looked like the general population.

I'll vote for anything that's not tGrump. A rabbit in a carved pumpkin. A zombie tripping over a rutabaga. An empty peach crate. A sock with two holes in it. Whatever. But it's not going to please me if it doesn't look like some diversity. No more tickets that look like two white males. Whether they vocalize it or not, or even spell it out that way to themselves, a lot of people feel that way.

But, wake up, half-assed voters. There's nothing more important that you need to do that day than voting. Don't be a dumbshit.

 
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^

The younger African-Americans in particular have become more mobilized and questioning. In the past, a Bill Clinton could easily depend on my generation of AA's for votes.

It's going to be harder now. Going forward there's going to be more questioning of, for example, a Joe Biden.

Were they just Obama voters? Maybe. But there's a way to test that going forward if Harris is the nominee.

 
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They had planned for about 75 people to show up....



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Well it's finally started:

Happy 4th of July!

Edited by - Asmodeus on 7/5/2019 1:35:28 AM


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Posted - Jul 5 2019 : 10:26PM
Such Stupidity From Trump Will Only Continue, And Along With His Many Other Faults, Will Really Help To Doom His 2020 Re-Election Bid


Wow, it was certainly hilarious when Trump's July 4th speech had him telling the gathered multitudes,
as well as millions of Americans watching Donald's speech on TV, that according to Trump, George
Washington's Continental army succeeded at "taking over airports".

But in the wake of that loony statement having caused millions of Americans to laugh at Trump, Donald's
excuse that a faulty teleprompter caused him to utter such an idiotic non-fact of history, only served
to confirm that Mr Trump is a genuine, 100% Pure, Moronic, Ignoramus!

Because any man who just possesses the depth of understanding of American history that the average
4th or 5th grader has, would have instantly seen a BRIGHT RED FLAG the second that he encountered
a sentence stating that Revolutionary War soldiers had conquered airports more than 125 years before
the Wright brothers had even started testing what would become the first successful airplane.

Man, our boy Trump, sure must be one of the very DULLEST knives in the drawer!


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Posted - Jul 6 2019 : 12:19AM
As we get closer to July 17th, when Robert Mueller will be giving public testimony to the House, that Americans can see on TV, a Trump fearful of the public hearing about details of his actions, contained in Mueller's report, which cast much of Trump's behavior, as President, in a very poor light, will be causing Mr Trump to be putting out more and more absurd and false claims about Robert Mueller, as Donald's attempt to discredit Mueller, because while Trump knows that about 95% of Americans will never read the 448 page Mueller Report, the last thing that Mr Trump wants is for Americans to take seriously the sworn testimony by the man who wrote that report, concerning what the exact thinking of Mueller and his investigators was, as they were finding the damaging information about President Trump, which Mueller's report contains.


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Posted - Jul 6 2019 : 12:34AM
^I do agree that Trump will likely lose the election, but 2 things have to happen:

1. Other countries who are trying to mess with vote counts need to be successfully blocked from doing so, and
2. Democrats can't be even a tiny bit complacent - we must vote and be counted

I'm confident that #2 shouldn't be an issue because the 2018 mid-terms showed that the Democrats are starting to vote in higher numbers. I think many of those who would otherwise stay home in 2020 have learned that this sort of complacency can bring out very bad results like what happened in 2016. I'm not as confident in #1 happening, and it is making me a little worried.

Although I insult and laugh at Trump frequently, I don't think this will be a successful strategy for his Democratic opponents if they tried to do the same. We need to think about what will help sway the undecided voters, and people who are only mildly supportive of Trump. These people already know Trump is stupid. They know he's a liar. They know he's a racist. They know he's cruel. Repeating these facts won't change their minds. But they are probably supportive of him because he made some promises they latched on to, or they feel he's responsible for a prosperous economy. Here's how we need to address them:

1. Kill the myths. The first myth is that "Trump is doing what he was elected to do". The Democrats need to play over and over the clip of Trump saying Mexico will pay for the wall followed by a statement that Trump failed to get Mexico to pay for it, tried to get the money by taking it from the military's budget, and even failed to do that.
2. Show clips of Trump promising he'd use his dealmaking "skills" to lower prescription drug prices. Then ask these people if they've seen decreases to their drug prices since Trump has been in office.
3. Talk about the opioid crisis, Trump's promise to end it, then ask if they think the problem has gotten better under Trump.
4. For those who want to attribute the good economy to Trump, bring the focus back to the deficit/national debt issue, which has exploded under Trump. And keep asking the question, "Are you financially better off now than you were in 2016?" Chances are pretty good that unless they're wealthy, their answer will probably be "no".

I think there should be a constant media drumbeat where all people hear is, "Trump promised to do X, but HE FAILED." Repeating all of the times that Trump FAILED to do something is really the best countermeasure. It puts Trump into a defensive position, where people are going to expect an actual rebuttal. I'd like to see "TRUMP FAILED" become the most popular chant at all Democratic rallies.

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