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Posted - Jul 6 2019 : 12:45AM
Speaking of birtherism, I really believe that Trump was quite lucky that during his debates with Hillary Clinton,
in 2016, Donald was not hit hard by Clinton for his birther lying about Barack Obama.

Hillary should have brought up the fact that during an April 2011 appearance on NBC's The Today Show, Donald
Trump not only claimed that he'd hired private detectives, and sent them to Hawaii to investigate Obama's past,
but Trump also stated about his supposed private eyes looking into Obama's background "You just wouldn't believe
what they are finding!" However, since to this day, Trump has NEVER REVEALED what that supposedly "unbelievable"
info about Obama's background was, which Donald had claimed that his private investigators had uncovered, then it's
quite reasonable to assume that Mr Trump NEVER sent any investigators to Hawaii to research Obama's background.

Hillary really blew a golden opportunity, by having failed to confront Trump with his birther lying, during any of those
nationally televised debates of 2016.

But for 2020's election, it's highly doubtful that Trump will be as lucky, again, as he was in 2016, to be competing against
a Democrat rival who'll be as relatively unlikable, and genuinely ineffectual, as Mrs Clinton was. To give just one example
of Hillary's lack of effectiveness, her campaign speeches during her 2016 battle against Trump, were so boring and lacking
in any inspiration, or excitement, that even CNN and MSNBC would NOT give LIVE coverage to Hillary Clinton's speeches.
Those 2 cable news channels would generally just play a minute, or 2, of snippets from a Clinton speech, the day after she
had given it. Clinton really was a lackluster candidate who was basically counting on a big enough proportion of the public
getting turned off by the New York conman's constant bullshit, that the result would be voters electing her to be President.
And that did come very close to turning out that way, but in the end, no cigar went to Mrs Clinton.

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According to Tucker Carlson and Fox News, Kamala Harris isn't black enough while Cory Booker is too white to be POTUS. How's that for birtherism?

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Theses days, Tucker Carlson just seems to be continually sinking down to ever lower levels of deception, as well as ridiculous instances of
attempts at political analysis. And to think that 5 or 6 years ago, to me, that guy occasionally seemed like he was half-way reasonable!

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Zoiper, the scary thing is that Tucker and Fox News keeps feeding Trump supporters alt-right propaganda and misinformation 24/7. That's why I'm so pessimistic about the Dems chances in 2020. How the hell are they to compete with such overwhelming corruption?

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(UPDATED just after 3:00 PM EASTERN TIME, SATURDAY JULY 6TH)


Asmodeus, I just want to give you some encouragement by highlighting several reasons why Trump will have a much,
much, steeper hill to climb in 2020, than he did in 2016, when even back then, he won a very narrow victory.

1. First, and foremost, Trump won't be competing against scandal plagued Hillary Clinton. Mrs Clinton had the lowest
scores for her personal qualities that had been measured among members of the American public, that pollsters had
ever found for a Democratic Presidential nominee, in the almost 75 year history of public approval surveys.

2. In 2020, millions of people who had favored Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries WON'T become angry again with
the Democrat who eventually wins the nomination, because of being informed by stolen DNC emails, on the internet, that the
DNC's leadership had unfairly weighted the scales to help Bernie's Democrat opponent in the primaries, as was done in 2016.
Remember, Sanders got more than 75% as many votes as Hillary did, among the many millions of primary votes that were
cast in 2016. But millions of Bernie supporters ended up with some cold feelings toward Clinton upon learning that Mrs Clinton
had received an advantage from the DNC, as it had made Bernie a victim of unfair treatment. Then, after many people were
shocked to learn of Trump's "pussy grabbing" boast, on that Access Hollywood tape, many dedicated Bernie supporters who
WOULD HAVE voted against Trump if they'd believed he had ANY chance to be elected President, just stayed home on Election
Day, while basically holding thoughts like "Why bother going to vote for Clinton when the American people would NEVER make
a man President, who was caught voicing such an OBVIOUS DISRESPECT for women." (Many Democrats who didn't vote in 2016
just WON'T MAKE that MISTAKE AGAIN in 2020, and deeply regret staying home on Election Day 2016!)

3. Certainly in 2020, Trump won't again have the great luck of seeing America's FBI Director, announcing, 11 days before
the election, that the FBI is reopening its investigation into a scandal the Democrat had been embroiled in, which involved
the reckless mishandling of classified information. In Hillary's case, that announcement by Mr Comey served to remind
many Americans why they'd previously felt some hesitation in putting their trust in Clinton. But Hillary was making gains in
the polls against Donald, that were immediately HALTED, and even reversed to some degree, right after Americans heard Mr
Comey's ill-timed announcement.

4. Trump is wearing out his welcome with many Americans by his continual writing of outrageous tweets, and making wild
verbal statements, which strike many as purely ridiculous, but bring attention to Trump during almost every news cycle.
Receiving that attention & news coverage is exactly why Trump makes up such nonsense as President Obama supposedly
having had Trump Tower bugged. But countless folks have become very tired of the near state of chaos that Trump's weird
claims & craving for attention, have almost constantly kept the country in, while Donald has been President. The ENDLESS
controversy which Trump constantly causes, actually has many folks longing for the good old days of "No Drama Obama".

Mr Trump is very much like a 6 year old, surrounded by a large number of adults at a dinner party, who deliberately knocks
his full bowl of soup off the table, because he prefers the attention such a move brings to him, to being ignored, even if such
attention includes parents scolding him for his behavior. (Think of those parents as being CNN & other members of the press)
Yup, as Larry Sabato, the head of the University of Virginia Center For Politics has said "Every day President Trump seems to
insist on stirring the pot, and creating more enemies for himself."

5. In 2020, Americans should be much more on their guard if encountering the kind of character assassination claims on the
internet which, in 2016, had succeeded in knocking down African American voter support for Clinton below the level that she
usually would have been expected to receive. Because those internet attacks on Hillary (by Russians posing as Americans)
made many false claims about her, such as her supposedly having spent years stabbing black Americans in the back, even
though, in reality, as a young woman, Hillary spent a lot of time volunteering in America's South, in trying to help guarantee
that young black children could have access to good schooling.

6. And, in 2020, his Democrat rival can remind Americans that Trump actually needs an election victory so he can avoid being
criminally charged for his part in a felony election fraud conspiracy. Trump has already been identified by federal prosecutors
of the Southern District of New York, as being Individual 1, the Un-Named Co-conspirator (un-named so far) in the same criminal indictment that already helped to put Donald's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, into prison for the next few years. But if Mr Trump
is re-elected, most of his legal problems will be swept away by the statutes of limitations concerning the time during which any
prosecutions can be brought against Donald, having EXPIRED, during the 4 years of a 2nd Trump term, as President.

So, in his, or her, campaign speeches, 2020's Democrat Presidential Nominee could say something like this "Federal prosecutors stand
ready to bring criminal charges against Mr Trump, as soon as he's a private citizen, again. So let's all make sure that Trump can't
remain above the law, by voting to deny him a 2nd term, so our corrupt President will face justice, just like any other American must do!"


Yeah, Asmodeus, I certainly hope that the above makes you feel a little better, and eases your worries that the New York crook could
win in 2020. And I might have added a 7th encouraging point concerning Robert Mueller's public testimony to the House which will
take place on the 17th of this month. Many observers, including yours truly, think that if the Democrats asking questions of Mr
Mueller are at all skillful, in provoking some revealing answers regarding evidence of Trump wrongdoing, then July 17th will prove to
have been quite a damaging day for Mr Trump's political prospects. And you can bet that any red letter conclusions, based on evidence,
that might be elicited from Robert Mueller, will become important parts of the Democratic campaign to convince America's voters
that a fraud & pathological liar like Donald Trump, is not only severely unfit to serve as President, but that so far, the man has just been
lucky that being President has protected Donald from the reach of federal prosecutors, like those of the Southern District of New York, who would just love to be able to criminally charge Donald J Trump, right NOW, for Donald's involvement in the same felony criminal
conspiracy that got Donald's former buddy, Mr Cohen, to have to pay the piper for his part in that criminal activity, by going to prison.

Yup, just as America's military men were saying about Iraq, before America started bombing that country, Donald Trump is also a very
"TARGET RICH" environment. Mr Trump is literally ripe for so many types of attacks to be launched against him, from so many different
angles, that one challenge for 2020's Democratic opponent of Trump, may just be deciding which of the many possible choices of appropriate attacks against the crook, will be the best one to lead off with. Any Democrat should feel very comfortable to know that he,
or she, has such a large variety of ammunition to use against Mr Trump. Even a candidate as weak as Hillary got 2.86 million more
popular votes in 2016 than Donald did. But Trump's Democratic rival in 2020, will possess far more damaging info to use against Donald
than Hillary was able to benefit from, back in 2016.

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What about the lie that won Trump the election: that he would bring blue collar jobs back to rust belt states.

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Sure grover, Mr Trump will have some excuses when he loses in 2020, with the biggest lies among them being that the
election was supposedly stolen from him via some type of vote rigging, combined with millions of people having voted illegally.

But since the terrific Democratic victory of last November's midterm elections occurred in midterm elections that exhibited the
HIGHEST level of voter participation seen in any midterm elections contests since 1914, that highest participation in more than
100 Years, by America's voters, in that type of election, GAVE SOLID PROOF that Trump's time as President has really fired up,
and supercharged, American voters who OPPOSE the sickness of the Trump Presidency.

Because although key parts of the Democratic coalition, such as African Americans and young people, are known for usually being
mostly absent (especially compared to Republican voters) during midterm elections, only coming out in strength in the Presidential
Election years, the RECORD SETTING vote total that showed Democrat candidates in 2018's midterms getting over 9 million MORE
VOTES than Republican candidates received, is the best evidence possible in showing that the disgraceful Trump Presidency has
really become about the most powerful motivator that the Democratic Party's officials could have ever hoped for, in getting people
who dislike Trump to actually get out and vote, to register their opposition to him.

In 2016 Hillary got 6 million votes LESS than Barack Obama got in 2012, and Mrs Clinton got 10 million votes LESS than Mr Obama
got in 2008. But with the way that Trump is intensely mobilizing the opposition to him, IMO, unless 2020's Democratic opponent
of Trump really SCREWS UP BADLY, Trump's tendency to now be really firing up those who dislike him should result in 2020's Dem
who competes against Trump getting at least 6 million more votes than Hillary got in 2016. And if that happens, Trump's re-election
bid will be shot to hell because Donald even has a little less support than he had on Election Day 2016. He sure hasn't grown his
support since 2016. And if the Democrat of 2020 does beat Trump by around 9 million popular votes, the Electoral College victory
which that will yield for the Democrat will be so solid that the American people will just be laughing at Trump and his claims about
the election having been stolen from him.

In fact, in an important way, Mr Trump had already reached his ceiling of support in 2016's election. Because local election officials
in rural areas of America where Trump's popularity is greatest, were reporting on Election Day 2016 that voter turnout in those rural
areas was at a HIGHER rate than they had EVER expected to witness. So in 2016, Donald basically maximized his support in those parts
of America, so there's basically little chance that he can significantly increase the number of voters who will turnout for him in those
places, compared to the amazing level of turnout for Trump that was seen with voters in those parts of America, in 2016.

Yup, if the overall level of voter turnout in 2020, happens to be very high, as so many analysts are expecting it to be, such a high
turnout election will be very good for Democrats, and end up being VERY BAD for Donald J Trump!

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Whoever it ends up being needs to attack. Hard.

Every lie, every broken promise, do not let up. Hammer him into the ground.

In 869 days, President Trump has made 10,796 false or misleading claims


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Absolutely, FlacFan. 2020's Democrat standard bearer sure can't afford to run the kind of campaign that Clinton did in 2016, if he or she wants to defeat the orange idiot.

In 2016, Hillary just gave one dry (even boring) policy speech after another, as she assumed that her calm, knowledgeable approach to campaigning, in contrast to Trump's almost daily barrage of wild statements (such as Obama supposedly having founded ISIS), would show most voters that she was a more reasonable person than Trump, so she'd easily beat him in the election.

But what Hillary wasn't bearing in mind, back in 2016, is that though many of Trump's statements and claims were just obvious lies to her and her staff, to a lot of uninformed people, such Trump falsehoods were gaining traction.

I remember that back during the 1988 Bush vs Dukakis election campaign, after Dukakis had spent a good length of time ignoring some false claims made against him, some registered voters told a PBS interviewer that when they see a candidate failing to respond to charges being leveled against him, then they assume that such claims MUST BE TRUE.

Then in 2004, I heard members of John Kerry's campaign say that Kerry would not make the same mistake that his fellow native of Massachusetts, Michael Dukakis, had made in a Presidential campaign, by letting false charges against him, go unanswered. But then, that was EXACTLY WHAT KERRY ended up doing!

George W's Evil Brain, Karl Rove, had figured out that the best way to destroy an opposing candidate was not to attack his weaknesses, but rather, to attack and malign that candidate's strengths. So since John Kerry had been a legitimate war hero who'd gotten a medal for bravery, for having his swift boat turn around, and go back, under heavy enemy fire, to pull a stranded Green Beret out of the water, Karl Rove concluded that Mr Kerry's heroic war record needed to be slimed. So that led to the so called Swift Boat Veterans For Truth being formed, which was a group of men who had NEVER EVEN SERVED on John Kerry's boat. But like a genuine dumbass, Mr Kerry allowed that group's collection of lies about his war record to go unanswered, and fester, for 4 weeks during the 2004 campaign, before he finally started answering those lies with some tepid responses.

Now since Mr Kerry lost the 2004 election due to George W's quite narrow victory in my home state of Ohio, I'll always believe that if Kerry had quickly, and forcefully, responded to the bullshit from that lying bunch of veterans, Kerry would have won the Presidency!

Yup FlacFan, you could not be more right that Trump's Democrat opponent in 2020, must repeatedly hammer away in bringing public attention to Trump's more egregious lies & broken promises. Because a major objective of any campaign must be for its candidate to educate the uninformed about the worst deceptions that the other side thinks it can get away with putting over on people who usually don't pay close attention to politics, or even, to valid news sources.

The Hillary Clinton of 2016, just seemed to fall into the trap of not hammering away at most of Trump's more offensive lies, because they seemed like such plainly obvious falsehoods to her, that she just assumed that almost everyone else would also see right through the New York conman's nonsense.


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And she has no chance. Not in KY
"Approval ratings" don't mean anything when you're talking about someone like McConnell. Everybody "hates" their congressman. But Kentucky is getting redder and redder. They're almost Oklahoma. He's arguably even more lethal than Goblin. He's not going anywhere.

It would be nice to think someone with a great resume could get somewhere in politics but if you're in a Red state, it's not going to happen.

 
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^Note: I WILL contribute to her. Just because KY is hopeless doesn't mean one cannot send a message.
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Do not flatter yourself.

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Excerpts from the article:

U.S. Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders will travel to Canada later this month to highlight what he calls overcorporatization of his country's health-care system.

Sanders' campaign announced Thursday that the Vermont senator will join American Type 1 diabetes patients as they cross the border in search of cheaper insulin than anything they can find at home.

The group plans to meet in Detroit on July 28 and travel to Windsor, Ont., to purchase their medications for about one-tenth the price they sell at in the U.S.

 
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Trump's Increasingly Extreme Words Will Just Unify Democrats & Turn Off Moderates, To Derail The New York Fraud's Re-Election Chances

So, concerning these 4 Congresswomen, who Trump had already claimed as needing to "go back to where they came from", (though 3 of the 4 were born in the U.S.), this afternoon, Donald added more fuel to the fire, by saying about them "These are people, that in my opinion, hate our country.....They hate it, I think, with a passion!"

Let's see, Trump claims that these 4 women all hate America, but obviously he thinks that the citizens of our country SHOULD BELIEVE that HE loves OUR Country, EVEN THOUGH Mr Trump DISREGARDS the conclusions of America's OWN Intelligence Services, in FAVOR of ACCEPTING the DENIALS of the wrongdoing of dictators, being put forward by 2 Anti-Freedom DICTATORS, Vladimir Putin, and Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince, who've had some of their OWN PEOPLE murdered because those people stood against tyranny, and worked to increase freedom in their countries. Gee, Donald doesn't seem to REALIZE that to LOVE America, a person must ALSO LOVE FREEDOM!!

Anyway folks, as depressing as Donald's almost constant UNAMERICAN comments continue to be, you can bet that a large portion of the American public is becoming more and more, sick & tired, of the unending state of division and controversy that Trump's unPresidential behavior seems to promote, almost every single day. People are becoming so exhausted by the constant chaos & controversy that the Trump Presidency keeps providing fuel for, that it seems, to most folks, that Mr Trump has been in office a lot longer than the exactly 2 and a half year period that began with his January 20th 2017 inauguration, and finally, will reach the precise 2 and a half year point: July 20th.

Yup, the New York crook is only 6 months past the HALFWAY point of a 4 year term, but even a lot of non-political Americans are so tired of the constant chaos, name calling, & strife, that they CAN'T ACCEPT the idea of going through a 2nd 4 Years of this CRAP, since our nation STILL HAS 1 and a half years to go of THIS Trump Term, to experience the INTERNAL CONFLICT, that characterizes a Trump Presidency!

Even many Americans who weren't particular fans of President Obama, are now missing the RELATIVE peace and tranquility that was the regular course of things, during most of the weeks in which "No Drama Obama" was President.

Honestly guys, though Trump is probably correct in thinking that his continually outrageous statements and behavior keep his hardcore supporters happy, I've got to believe that, when the results are in, following the voting of 2020's election, America will then learn that Mr Trump's behaviour succeeded in mobilizing more folks to turn out to oppose him, than to support him. Because, in 2016, especially after FBI Director Comey's 11th Hour announcement of a reopening of the FBI's investigation of Mrs Clinton, Hillary's political forces were so demoralized, that it's amazing that she still got more popular votes than Trump did. Hillary's 2016 candidacy was certainly LACKING in enthusiasm. But in 2020, the Democratic Presidential nominee should see much stronger voter turnout for him or herself, than was the case for Clinton, because no particularly strong enthusiasm for 2020's Democrat will be needed to cause such turnout, since Democrat candidates got a record 9 million more votes than the total that Republican candidates got in 2018's midterm elections, which was solid evidence that Mr Trump's words and actions are the most powerful motivators Democrats could ask for to mobilize Donald's opposition!

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I know this is old, but Elizabeth Warren knows how to deliver a smackdown of a dirty Wall St. executive. If you feel you don't know enough about Warren to support her, or if maybe you don't like her positions, this 8 minute grilling should give you an idea of what she's all about.

For those who are not familiar with the story, Wells Fargo was fined $2.7 billion for the account fraud. She wasn't calling it a scam to showboat. It was a scam like Warren said. Stumpf was eventually fired in part because of this controversy.

Watch the entire video and you'll see that Warren was very well-prepared. And her style of questioning really seemed to put him off balance. If you've ever watched a skilled debater in a match, you've probably seen this style before. Warren was a debating state champ and actually won a scholarship to George Washington Univ. when she was only 16 years old. Oh god, I soooo want to see her debate Trump.


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"It's possible that Trump's tweets represented a carefully-crafted political strategy. More likely, though, they represented something less savvy and more psychological in nature."

"Trump's tweets predictably generated outrage, not just in the US but around the world. British Prime Minister Theresa May called the comments "completely unacceptable".

Trump is routinely described as a "masterful media manipulator", and in his offensive Twitter spray many people discerned a calculated effort to change the national discourse."

"As Trump made clear at his social media event, he doesn't necessarily use Twitter to transmit a specific message but to generate a reaction.

For Trump, attracting attention isn't a means to achieve a goal; it is the goal. Trump wants - perhaps even needs - to be at the centre of the national conversation. And if stirring up controversy is the way to do it then so be it."


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True. Also a major fuckup, though. Pelosi and those congresswomen were enmeshed in a fight that, while the public at large wasn't really paying any attention to it, could have spread and become bigger.

It's going to flare up again, undoubtedly, but thanks to Goblin, it's now quashed.


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^^ From the comments

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There was a great cartoon a couple of years ago with Trump showing Kim Jong Un his phone, saying "And then you just hit 'tweet' and the whole world goes crazy!" It was simple and elegant and demonstrated what words can't - that he is playing the media and his opponents like a Stradivarius.

 
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Interesting analogy by that poster. Absent a player with skill, a Stadivarius is just pieces of wood and metal. Only a skilled player, like Obama, for instance, can play it well.

Here's a much truer analogy. The USA is a large dinner party in a luxurious ballroom. One one side of the room are MAGAts. On the other side are the rest of us. Trump runs into the room, sweaty and half naked. He stands in the middle of the room, shouts like maniac, pulls down his pants and takes a huge, steamy dump on the floor, then stands up without wiping. The side of the room with the regular people stare in utter disgust, and tell Trump to leave. The other side of the room are hooting and hollering - high fiving each other, and laughing at the other side of the room. "THEY REACTED!!! SUCKERS!!!" and they laugh like maniacs.

Meanwhile, the decent people are puzzled. "We were having a great time until Trump showed up. We had no idea that in order to win some stupid game, we were supposed to ignore him. Please feel free to declare yourselves winners in a game we weren't playing."

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^ But even on this smartbuydisc.ru people were saying those comments were proof that Trump is a racist..

Also, that is actually a common saying.

 
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Reminder: speaking just for myself, when I post stuff in this thread it may or may not be something I personally agree with; it may or may not be pro-Dem or pro-Goblin poll numbers; the only common denominator is that it will be something I feel is interesting, noteworthy or something to be reflected on later. If I do post something that I absolutely agree with, I'll say so.

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Wow! That was a great talk by Farron Cousins. Claiming that Trump's advisors realise that the working class that Trump conned are now gone, and he is not only not going to be re-elected, he may lose "embarrassingly", so are running a save-the-furniture campaign.

The final comments were:
We cannot discount the fact that Donald Trump is a master conman. And there is no telling what kind of lies we are going to see as he gets more panicked, more desperate and more afraid about the coming 2020 election.


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No Simon, Trump isn't playing the media and his opponents like a Stradivarius, but rather, his remarks of the last couple of days, have seen him even offending some Republicans, as his "playing" has seemed much less like someone holding a Stradivarius, while being more like a clueless monkey, annoying people, by banging away loudly, on a drum. And just one example which demonstrates the truth of that, is it just having been reported, that in good old, right wing Texas, of all places, a Republican judge has just QUIT the GOP, because of Trump's offensive remarks. Now if a Republican judge in a liberal place, like Massachusetts, had quit the party, that wouldn't make much of an impression on people, but such a development occurring in Texas, should really serve as a serious warning to Republicans, that Trump, and his increasingly wild and gross statements, are likely to take the GOP right over the edge of the cliff, in 2020.

 
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Trump doesn't play anything but the fool. He tweets whatever his moronic brain thinks of {or whatever his programmers tell him}, if it sinks he blames others, if it soars he takes the credit.

Facts:
He used fear, bigotry and hate to get the Republican nomination; Hilary running the most arrogant and ignorant campaign in history got him elected.

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^^ I never said that. Following on from Smiler's post, it was an article comment that I thought someone might find interesting. (And is the term "played him like a fiddle" not used in a America?)

On a related point, what I have said is this: When during the campaign Trump was getting his crowd to chant "BUILD THAT WALL! BUILD THAT WALL! he was goading the highbrow media commentators to give sophisticated dissertations against it. He would then turn that around as: They believe in open borders! They just want to let everyone in!

He played them like a fiddle. And it won him the election.


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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 5:48PM
Trump is a man who is always trying to top himself, or make it look that way, by either doing some things that are bigger and better than what he has previously done, or at least, make people think that he's doing things that are more impressive than he's done before.

So with all of the buzz, and reactions, that Donald is seeing his over the top (and even racist) comments about "The Squad", now bringing, since Trump basically believes that the biggest effect that his controversial comments have had, is to rev up enthusiasm among his supporters, then as time goes on, we can just expect Donald to intensify his rhetoric even further, because Donald thinks that his fans always expect to see him trying to top himself.

The above means that in 2020, as the election is getting closer, Trump's tweets and spoken statements are bound to keep getting more and more outrageous. And that will TURN OFF many of the well educated Republicans of the suburbs, particularly Republican women, who although they'd voted for Trump in 2016, then turned around, in 2018, and thumbed their noses at Trump's 2018 warnings that voters who wanted to support Donald's policies, (especially his border policies) MUST VOTE for Republican candidates in 2018's midterm elections, because those were the people who would stand up in Washington, to actually back Trump's policies. But obviously, the attempts that Trump made for months, to scare America's voters about some supposed INVASION of America by the South American refugees walking toward the U.S. in CARAVANS, was Donald Trump SCARE TALK which SERIOUSLY BACKFIRED in it attempt to frighten people into voting for Donald's favored House candidates. Because OVERALL, the Democrat candidates, this past November, outperformed the Republican candidates, by the Democrat candidates EXCEEDING the total votes drawn by Republicans, by a RECORD SETTING margin, for any midterm election in history, of the the Dems getting 9 MILLION more votes than the GOP's candidates got.

And Trump's LATEST GAME plan of using racist language, & other outrageous ways of expressing himself, as his formula for boosting the turnout of his supporters in the 2020 election, suffers from a FATAL FLAW. Because in 2016's election, Donald Trump actually came very close to hitting his absolute ceiling, in the level of turnout of Trump voters, in the areas of America where Trump's popularity is greatest. Because in 2016, election officials of America's rural areas, reported that on Election Day 2016, the overall turnout of rural voters was at an extremely high level, which was actually HIGHER than they'd EVER expected to see in any election. And, as we know, Mr Trump gets his strongest support from rural areas, so 2016's AMAZING level of turnout for Trump, in those sections of America , just points to the fact that there's VERY LITTLE ROOM for Donald to GROW his support in those areas, even by using the most outrageous & racist comments.

HOWEVER, in the suburbs, where many of the better educated Republicans live, there IS PLENTY of ROOM for Trump to SHRINK HIS SUPPORT, if he continues his tactic of making outrageous & sick comments & claims. But we all now know, that Donald is basically POWERLESS to stop himself from making outrageous & offensive types of comments, because Trump's level of IMPULSE CONTROL is roughly that of a 10 to 12 year old. And the same Republicans who walked away from supporting the GOP in November 2018, because of Donald's wildly exaggerated claims about "a Caravan INVASION", are very likely to abandon the GOP again in 2020. Because, as we're seeing now, Trump is only raising the heat with the increasingly controversial (and usually false) statements that he's sunk to making.

Of course, it certainly was a shock, to discover, back in November 2016, that, in spite of his disgusting & disrespectful pussy grabbing comments about women, 52% of the WHITE women who voted, STILL cast their votes for Trump! However, many people, including those women, who took a chance on Trump, by voting for him in 2016, were assuming that if he did become President, the awesome responsibility of the Presidency, would cause Trump to moderate his words & behavior, and begin behaving in a more dignified and restrained manner. But those who once believed that, have gradually come to realize that Trump not only lacks ANY INTENT to moderate his behavior, but he ACTUALLY THRIVES on continually creating controversy, since Trump knows his supporters LOVE TO SEE the political commentators who speak on mainstream media outlets, appearing frustrated, and driven to distraction, by Donald's outrageous statements & FALSE. That's why the mainstream media's WALL to WALL, 24 hour a day negative coverage & commentary, for days on end, concerning Trump's pussy grabbing boast, DIDN'T HURT Trump, even 1 BIT, with his supporters. Because Trump fans actually came to BLAME the media, MORE than Trump, for the pussy grabbing controversy, because Trump folks had come to think of the mainstream news people as having too much FUN hitting Trump over the head with that scandal, as well as spending FAR TOO MUCH time in doing it.

Anyhow, concerning those folks I'd mentioned who weren't hardcore Trump fans, but rationalized voting for him, by holding the hope that the Presidency would have a calming effect on Trump, and make him less impulsive, and more measured, in his statements, have sure all learned, by now, that Donald J Trump is NEVER GOING to moderate his behavior!

And the people who have turned against Trump, like Republican women of the suburbs, who dropped their support of the GOP last November, because of the numerous outrageous statements and claims that Trump made about a supposed Caravan Invasion, are folks who will be one of the key factors in making sure that Mr Trump will never go down in history as having served a 2nd term as President.

Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 7/17/2019 10:32:24 PM

Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 7/19/2019 4:59:20 PM

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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 6:45PM
The term is used in the US. The original poster used the term "...played them like a Stradivarius..." which is why we responded using the same terminology. The OP implied that Trump was some sort of master manipulator who used the media skillfully for his benefit. That's bullshit. Anyone who thinks Trump is getting traction because of a willful strategy he's employing hasn't been paying attention. Flac summarized the reality a few posts above ours.

I'm curious, what did we say to make you think we didn't know what the term meant?


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Posted - Jul 17 2019 : 11:00PM
Well, however we refer to Trump's own brand of inflammatory communication, whether we describe it as Donald "playing them like a Stradivarius", or whatever, the fact remains that Trump's over the top claims have been backfiring on him. Because, for example, after Trump had spent last September through November, trying to scare Americans, concerning a supposed "Caravan Invasion", the GOP suffered a record loss in 2018's midterm elections, even though President Trump had been constantly telling Americans that if they wanted to support his Presidential policies, ESPECIALLY his harsh treatment of illegal aliens, then they needed to vote for Republican Congressional candidates, who would stand up to back Trump's policies.

 
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Posted - Jul 21 2019 : 12:48PM
Except he's not. From the article.
Not this is only salaried workers and only if they work 42 or 43 hours a week. And I'm sure this isn't everyone who is working on the campaign either...
First in the nation caucus and 48 people get this salary. You know there are more than 48 people doing stuff for the Sanders campaign in Iowa.

Also, crazy grandpa Bernie proves he knows nothing about the labor unions he talks so wonderfully about.

This is why when labor unions strike to try and get more wages they sit on their couches at home holding picket signs to ensure the media doesn't get involved.

 
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Posted - Jul 22 2019 : 9:34AM

Excerpts from the article:

A new poll finds that if Canadians could vote in the U.S. election, nearly eight in 10 would choose one of the five leading Democratic presidential hopefuls over FM45.

The Abacus Data online survey of 1,500 adult Canadians finds that 79 per cent would prefer former vice president Joe Biden or Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont over FM45. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren would be preferred by 78 per cent. California Sen. Kamala Harris and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg are preferred by 77 per cent over FM45. In all cases, FM45 would get just 21 to 23 per cent of the Canadian vote.

Asked which Democrat they prefer, 46 per cent of the Canadians polled said they didn’t know. Those with a preference were most likely to pick Sanders (17 per cent), followed by Biden (15 per cent), Warren (nine per cent), Harris (eight per cent) and Buttigieg (five per cent).

 
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Posted - Jul 22 2019 : 12:52PM
^Nice; too bad Canadians can't vote here.
 
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Posted - Jul 22 2019 : 2:10PM
^ FM45 and his minions are breathing a sigh of relief as well.

To be honest, since FM45 was elected POTUS, I've spoken to a lot of my fellow Canadians during my travels and the poll is correct. They can't stand the guy.

In fact, most of them whom I've spoken to, are very disappointed by the fact that the Republicans have no backbone and choose to side with him. All they can do is to shake their heads and thank God that he's not our Prime Minister.

Edited by - grover on 7/22/2019 2:19:09 PM

 
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Posted - Jul 23 2019 : 1:18AM
I'm not saying this is the most inane thing that will be posted here before Nov 2020, but it's currently the leader in the clubhouse.
"What should we do today?"
"Let's go out and solicit the opinions of people who don't matter."
"Great idea!"
 
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Posted - Jul 23 2019 : 9:31AM
^ You're right! Opinions of Canadians do not matter. After all, they're just opinions and we have no influence in your election or anybody's election for that matter.

However, what are the people that matter going to do about it? Another 4 years for an ass clown? Or are you going to say no more and elect someone that gives a shit about your country rather than himself?

Gripping about how bad FM45 is and he is that damn bad, isn't going to solve anything. Only you can change that!

Do your civic duty, go register and vote!

And if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain about the outcome.

It's just that simple!

Edited by - grover on 7/23/2019 9:36:41 AM


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Posted - Jul 23 2019 : 7:02PM
This great Twitter thread by Tim Wise had some excellent points, and has really caused quite a stir over the last couple days. It has changed my opinion about how the eventual Democratic nominee should battle Trump. This is the first of 34 tweets:

It's a little easier to read when the tweets are .

Wise draws on his experience working in an anti-David Duke PAC. David Duke was a notorious white supremacist and former Grand Wizard of the KKK. Wise says it's a mistake to try to win Trump supporters over because they won't stray. He says don't even try pandering to them. If there are some Trump voters who do regret their 2016 vote, they'll do the right thing now, and you won't have to do much to convince them.

Wise recommends not spending much time on policy differences, because that only serves to normalize the candidate. Being that Trump is a racist/white nationalist/white supremacist, if you start to point out his poor policies, people will start to think, "Well, if he's such a horrible person, why are they focusing on policy instead of why this person is so horrible?"

Wise's advice on the message that should be central to Democratic campaigns:


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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 9:34PM
But don't forget that to the embarrassment of many of the moderate minded Republicans, of America's suburbs, who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, Donald's Stradivarius playing sounds like it's gradually getting more & more OFF KEY.

Certainly, the Stradivarius playing that the POTUS did in the months leading up to November 2018's Election Day, which was basically Trump's constant ranting & raving about a supposed "Caravan Invasion" (which even Shepard Smith LAUGHED at, on Fox News) was some Donald Trump violin playing which ONLY HELPED to push many Republican moderates of the suburbs AWAY from voting for the GOP Congressional candidates, who Trump was saying he badly needed to be sent to Congress, so he would get more Congressional backing for his policies. (ESPECIALLY to GAIN more support for his BORDER POLICY.)

So last fall we all witnessed how Trump's Stradivarius playing negatively affected many usually Republican voters of the suburbs, by turning those people AGAINST Donald Trump's request that they vote for Republican candidates, though most of those usually Republican supporting folks had voted for Trump in 2016. And that rejection, by many suburban Republicans, of the appeal that Trump had made for their support of the GOP, was largely due to Donald's unique style of violin playing, which also played a major role in helping the GOP TO LOSE many of the 41 House seats that the Democrats gained, so that the Dems TOOK BACK CONTROL of the House of Representatives.

Yeah, that was some GOOD Donald Trump Stradivarius playing, or at least, it was VERY GOOD for Democrats! Yup, I SURE HOPE that the New York fraud, who now serves as America's "Scumbag-in-Chief", KEEPS UP his GREAT Stradivarius playing!!

Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 7/25/2019 9:50:13 PM

Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 7/26/2019 7:32:07 AM

 
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Posted - Jul 25 2019 : 10:21PM
^
Like Obama, maybe Trump's magic only works for himself. We shall see.

Edited by - aclayfan on 7/25/2019 10:22:10 PM

 
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Posted - Jul 26 2019 : 6:59AM
^
Obama's policies worked only for himself? Yeah, OK.
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