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Howard Schultz says the government can't afford to provide health care to all.
1) If we can't, why can't we? Canada and Britain and Australia, etc. do.
2) If government can't afford health care, how can regular people afford it?

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^ Ummm... the last President tried to introduce a form of universal health care, and there were tens of thousands of American's marching in the streets.
 
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^
The last president forced universal, making is all mandatory. While not inherently a bad plan, what he failed to do was cap any insurance costs, and this allowed the companies to shift the burden to others so they could maintain margins.
That's what got people marching in the streets. That and the whole "He's black" thing. Healthcare for profit is diametrically at odds with compassionate care.
I fail to see why any other countries universal care couldn't be implemented here other than big business not wanting to lose their cut.

Edited by - FlacFan on 1/31/2019 8:37:28 AM

 
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That's nice.
We have 320 million people now.
Over 70% support Medicare for all.
Less than 40% approve of tGrump.
A lot of them are marching in the streets, too. Way more than tens of thousands. Tens of thousands went to see Kamala Harris in Oakland this week.

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^ Good article.
 
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^^
"I never thought they'd do this" Well that makes you a complete moron. Ray Charles saw this coming.

If you have 2 hours and are interested - here it is all off it.

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FF, thanks for the link! Howard Schultz truly is an out-of-touch, feckless plutocrat and doesn't deserve any serious consideration for the presidency. Sounds a lot like someone we all know, right?
 
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^ You beat me to the punch by just over a minute!
The Democrats are doing exactly what I feared they would do. We're twenty-one months from the election and all ready have nearly ten candidates. Rather than come together, and rally behind one person, they're taking the "every man for himself" route which will likely lead to Trump's re-election.
The Democrats biggest problem is they never learn from their mistakes and keeping doing things the same way over and over again. They still haven't learned to evolve with the times or adapt to the modern political climate. They're too idealistic in an era when they desperately need to be realistic. The fate of the country depends on it.
This election is theirs to lose and if they don't get their shit together, that's exactly what will happen: They Will Lose!!
Edited by - jman5245 on 2/1/2019 8:31:51 AM
 
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^ Different news sources have a different perspective on the event. Go ahead and add your article. I do it all the time.
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^Indeed. We do not have to subscribe to Groupthink here.
^^ I would say, it was inevitable that at least a few candidates would be starting now. Even as I previously bitched and moaned about it, there's a reality to running a presidential campaign that necessitates starting early. You have to start getting the money and the staffing for one thing. You are literally starting a small business almost from scratch. Sure, it's one that has a finite date, but still.
Obviously, not everyone is running to win. Some are running for 2024. Some are running to be a VP. I would hope that come Jan 1st 2020 we have pared the race down to five. I would also hope that there's no bomb-throwers amongst the runners. Unity will be paramount. I believe this year can be another 1992, (a year in which we had numerous Dem candidates trying to take down an incumbent.) but it is a treacherous battlefield.
Most importantly: I said before and I'll say again: WI, PA, and MI have to be brought back into the fold, and Dems must win at least FL, GA, or OH. They also must be prepared to get down in the sewer with Goblin. Not the mud, the SEWER.

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Posted - Feb 1 2019 : 11:37AM
No circular firing squad.
The candidates in the primary need to be unfailingly courteous and appreciative of each other. Why shouldn't they be?
My high school would never have allowed candidates for student council to disparage other candidates and descend to name calling. Frankly, had any of them engaged in the crap about small hands and disparaging nicknames and "I'm rubber, you're glue" they would have been laughed at anyway. We expected a little more dignity and maturity than that.
Hopefully there's no freaky outlier candidate (like the 'rent is too damned high' guy -- but everyone knows that those guys are just there for comic relief.
Now, in the general, they will certainly be well-armed with facts (and we know where that gets you), and some hot-button issues like federal workers not getting paid. Plenty of ammo.
Then there's twitter and facebook, with armies of Russian trolls and hoards of any other bad actors doing the same. So, who knows what we can do about that. Twitter accounts can sprout like weeds. The outrageous stuff gets more attention than actual reality.
 
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^ That is why the Dems need to start the primaries now and get the bitching and mudslinging over with. Once they have selected their candidate, stand behind that candidate 100%.
 
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Since I can't see your face, not sure if you are kidding or delusional. A US presidential campaign is a significant economic event. Billions of dollars are spent. It's a huge source of income for media companies locally & nationally among other entities. A year from today, the NH primary will be 10 days away. I have little doubt the Dems will eventually gather behind a nominee to take on Trump/whomever. That's far down the road. They aren't going to step aside for the "best" candidate. They think they are the best candidate. That's why they are running. There are enormous egos involved here. You don't want to miss out on those special moments such as Howard Dean screaming like a loony. OK, now we sit quietly, fold are hands on the desk, and wait for further developments.
 
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^ I never kid, especially if the Dems want to get that ass clown whom you Americans call your President, out of office.
As you say, if financial reasons are the stopping points, then, my suggestion, for these candidates, is to conduct town halls, like what Kamala Harris did this past Monday.
Edited by - grover on 2/1/2019 12:55:21 PM
 
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Unify and attack. As quickly as possible. Do not hesitate, do not waver.
The right is taking away liberties at every turn in the name of patriotism and the lefts consistent problem for generations is in-party bickering of what the policy should be. It's already happening.
Ms Pelosi is so far shepherding the House into line, unifying on message {at least on impeachment} so that is nice to see.
The right usually frames it that the left is trying to force their values down their throat. Um, no, no they are not. "All men are created equal" That line ring a bell? It should. It's the foundation of the country.
Had they their way this site and all these wonderful nasty women would be banned because uptight idiots don't want any one doing anything they do not approve of.
If you haven't seen it, watch "Inside Deep Throat" {wonderful Doc!}. They are biding their time. The last 5 minutes with the anti-porn zealot? Chilling.
Ask your self this, Which is more moral:
People wanting everyone to be able to live in peace?
Or
People who want to limit the freedoms of anyone they do not approve of?
Unify And Attack.
Edited by - FlacFan on 2/1/2019 1:01:44 PM

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I still want Biden/Beto but I could easily support a Booker/Harris ticket. Let's just hope the Dems can unify and flush Trumpism down the toilet where it belongs!
Edited by - Asmodeus on 2/1/2019 2:08:40 PM
 
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^ You should be hoping that their candidate has the good sense to assemble a team that knows how the system actually works. One loss in the Electoral College was bad enough. Also, lest we forget, Obama's problem was that Republican majorities in the Congress blocked his legislative agenda, much as Democrats in the House are now blocking Trump.
In short, looking for an inspirational leader is all well and good, but it will take much more than that to actually get stuff done in Washington.

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It will be good enough for me just to stop the shit that's going on now.
Fingers crossed.
 
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^^
Well said.
Hilary would have been just as polarizing in the other direction.
This was a good point:
Who would people here consider the most recent inspirational President who made people care about the nation?
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#GrainOfSalt: Some valid points made here; but also -- this could be falling into the trap of "Popular State Level Politician And Of COURSE She Can Translate That To the National Level"



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The 'wealth tax' thing is interesting.

People keep saying that we already have a wealth tax - property tax!

But I've been thinking about it. If you rent, you are the one paying the property tax (indirectly), but you own nothing.

And if you own -- is it a wealth tax? For some people. But many people who have, say, a $300,000 property have put some sort of down payment, and owe something like $270,000. So they aren't being taxed on wealth; they're being taxed on debt, or taxed on their ability to get a loan. I would say that for most people, that is their situation.

Aa a point in its favor, a 'wealth tax' would be a tax on actual wealth.

 
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1} Stick the 10 smartest INDEPENDENT financial people in a room and have them come up with a balanced plan that taxes everyone equally based on total income and wealth WITHOUT itemized deductions.
2} Tie it to inflation so that it may be adjusted up or down based on no less than 3 economic indicators: 1 from each side and one independent.
3} Pass A Balanced Budget Law. The first 50 years with an allotment of an additional 10% of total budgetary funds to pay off the debt INCLUDING ALL MONIES BORROWED FROM SS.
4} Make It Illegal for the SS trust fund to be computed in any future budgetary planning.
5} Make It Illegal for any future administration or congress to borrow from, and/or bonds issued against, the trust fund again.

6} DIE OF MASSIVE HEART FAILURE IF ANYTHING THIS REASONABLE WERE TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN.


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Amy Klobuchar will announce her candidacy on Sunday.
 
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#JustSomethingToConsider
(note:the part I bolded is, I would think, the one thing that all can agree on)


 
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^ Said country is all of the above. Is fighting fire with fire the way to go this time around? Obviously, the political correctness way didn't work in 2016.

Zoiper mentioned the word unprecedented in reference to FM45 in the Anti-T***p thread. Can the Dems stoop that low? Maybe, they don't have a choice anymore.

Before that all can take place, the Dems need to elect a nominee and for that nominee to have a 100% backing of the party.

Sling the mud NOW! But don't waste too much energy infighting! War is looming! And it's sooner than you think.

 
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^
IMO that is wrong. Stooping to that level is what they should not do.
They don't need to do that Individual 1 has given/continues to give them all the ammunition they need.
Every as, regardless of format, needs to address a specific thing he has done to harm the nation, and it should rotate formats so there is no burn out.
Internet Via Hulu, Amazon, Netflix ads. Newsprint, TV obviously, Radio - local and satellite; hit the talk show circuit with specifics about what you are going to do and do not let up.
"Well what do you think about that Indy 1 and ....." Be ready to address specifically what he did and why it's bad, more importantly what you will do different.

Remember, the trumpanzies didn't win this election, Hilary ignored the entire, mostly, middle class in the last 6 months in the last 6 months of the campaign and virtually drove them to someone they thought cared.
The next candidate cannot do that. Travel. Town hall your ass till you pass out, then travel some more, And get as many of them on TV, YouTube live as possible.
AND FOR FUCKS SAKE pick a candidate NOW, or lacking that, start the democratic debate cycle! Put a end cap on the process to declare and kick it off. Waiting is far worse than dropping to his level.

See, the left cannot sway the Trumpanzies, because the depths of the economy haven't hit them yet. The next president will be in a world of hurt, because he/she will not inherit the fixed economy he did.
What's worse, they will be further by the biggest transfer of wealth in the history of man. Regardless of who it is hurting, the republicans will not roll that back.
So the candidate must hit the middle class, lower middle class and poor areas, hard, and not let up.


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In looking at it, taking the senate may be more important overall than the WH, because it's congress that rubber stamped the big ticket items. I am in no way saying that he should remain in office, however if i had to pick
senate or individual 1, I would probably take the Senate and see what happens. Notice how bogged down he is now with the house taken away. Mueller may take the whole situation out of play anyway, were that to happen,
Pence is a lame duck too closely tied to Indy 1 to get the republican nomination, much less elected.

The ideal scenario is him getting impeached, lame duck Pence and taking back the senate. No, I do not think that the country should lay back and wait for that.


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One thing about Pence -- tGrump's base don't give a shit about Pence.

Another thing about Pence -- he has not demonstrated anything in the way of skill or ideals or anything except swooning adoration for tGrump.

Nobody is looking for a leader whose only demonstrated abilities are to suck up, flatter, and be a doormat.

 
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Exactly accurate. He was picked to appease the more moderate republicans

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Recently we've seen many folks who oppose Trump, panicking about a possible Presidential run by coffee magnate Howard Schultz, since many worry that an independent 2020 Schultz candidacy might throw 2020's election to Trump, even though Donald's overall approval by the American public, has decreased from the level it stood at in November 2016, when Trump just won the election by a hair.
But let's consider, for a moment, just exactly what sort of character that Mr Schultz is. 1. He's a white male of retirement age. 2. He's a former longtime supporter of the Democratic Party. 3. He's a businessman whose anti-labor practices have revealed his true status as a plutocrat. And lastly: 4. He's a billionaire who was born and raised in New York City.

Well folks, every one of the above features that describes Mr Schultz, is also an exact fit for a certain other man who ran for President in 2016, and who received many votes from Americans who said "What the hell, for a change, why don't we take a chance, for once, on handing over the reins of power, to a businessman who has no experience in being tainted by previous government service. (And as deeply divided as our country is, in 2019, we now see just how well that some folks having taken that type of chance, has really worked out.)

And guys, when Americans realize that Schultz holds beliefs that cause him to OPPOSE such things as raising taxes on billionaires, or wanting to create a universal healthcare system that covers all Americans, WHILE SUPPORTING CORPORATE WELFARE that's SPONSORED by GOVERNMENT (the taxpayers) then most Americans will soon realize the REALITY, that Schultz is ACTUALLY nothing more than a VERY wealthy Republican, who's attempting to dress up in sheep's clothing. I can hear now, a popular expression that an independent Schultz Presidential candidacy would inspire: "Man, just what we need, ANOTHER New York billionaire!"

Ralph Nader, who sure knows something about 3rd party and independent runs for the Presidency, just wrote an article in Time Magazine explaining why America's political system, as it now exists, makes it impossible for any Presidential candidate, who lacks the party apparatus of either the Democratic Party or the GOP, to back him, HAVING ANY CHANCE, at all, to win an American Presidential election.

Mr Nader points out that even though folksy Texas billionaire, H Ross Perot, caught the imagination of many Americans in 1992, and achieved (for an independent candidate) an extremely impressive total of 19.7 million votes (18.9% of those cast) in that year's Presidential election, when he competed against fellow candidates Bill Clinton and President George H W Bush, even with that very strong showing, for an independent candidate, Mr Perot still FAILED to win EVEN ONE STATE, or capture ANY Electoral Votes!

And since, IMO, Howard Schultz is neither as colorful, nor as likable, of a character, as Mr Perot was, a 2020 independent candidacy mounted by Schultz, would present him with an even steeper hill to climb, than that which faced the feisty Texan, back in 1992.

So even though the so-called Presidential Town Hall, that CNN is hosting for Howard Schultz, this coming Tuesday night, will cause many people's tongues & twitter fingers, to start wagging, we can be sure that Mr Schultz will eventually realize the wisdom of Ralph Nader's advice, that if Schultz wants to have any decent chance to win the Presidency, he has to run as a Republican, and compete with Trump for the GOP's Presidential nomination. Schultz is simply too smart to waste his time and money on a futile independent campaign in 2020.

Anyway, maybe he's simply making all of this noise about considering a possible independent Presidential run, as his ploy to raise the profile of Starbucks, in order to boost sales & profits. Certainly, stranger things than that, have been done to serve commerce in America


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Well, you guys bringing up Pence, who's actually a true Christian fanatic, made me remember what Mike Pence said
about President Clinton, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.


Pence boldly stated that any man who would be unfaithful to his wife, and then lie about it, is simply unfit to serve as our President.

But we sure never hear that SMILING ASS licker, from Indiana, ever offer even the MILDEST TYPE of criticism of his boss, for Donald
having been unfaithful to ALL 3 wives, with multiple women. Man, don't ya just have to love those bible thumping, moral phonies?!

And BTW, instead of saying that Trump PICKED Pence "to appease the more moderate Republicans", the actual fact is, that Trump
really CHOSE Pence to reassure the MOST socially conservative wing of the GOP, the Christian Right. Trump was trying to show very
conservative Christians, that as President, he'd really STAND UP for their right wing religious values.

And, as Indiana's Governor, Mike Pence had already SHOWN his state's right wing Christians, how very conservative that he is on
SOCIAL ISSUES, because Pence had favored passing state legislation which would have forced Indiana women who would choose to
have abortions, to be required to HOLD FUNERALS for their terminated fetuses!


So, in my book, THAT EXACTLY DEFINES Mike Pence as the type of guy who's a GENUINE RIGHT WING Christian! (Just the kind of
guy who'd LOVE IT if his boss COULD GRAB enough Presidential authority, to be able to BAN websites like AdultDVDTalk.)

Anyhow, Mr Trump knew that choosing Pence as his VP candidate, would have right wing Christians thinking "Donald IS OUR boy!"
And Trump's move turned out to be a VERY SHREWD one for him, because in 2016, Donald actually got a share of the Evangelical
Christian vote that was a somewhat HIGHER % of that vote, than George W Bush was EVER ABLE to get. And such a good result
for Donald, among Evangelicals, is actually kind of IRONIC, because UNLIKE Mr Trump, George W Bush, REALLY IS a Christian!

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This COULD become a point of contention for Harris where my fellow African-Americans are concerned. I have often wondered what opinions would have been Obama if he'd been married to a White (or other non-Black woman) or if he was with a light-skinned one. People LOVED Michelle Obama because she was a beautiful dark-skinned woman of accomplishments.

Harris may, unfortunately, run into a roadblock (or merely a certain ceiling) where her husband is concerned.

 
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^
1. Willie Brown said he had an affair with a young Harris. Skin color may be an issue for some, but perhaps not for Harris If so, good for her. She is of a mixed racial background herself.
2. Her husband is Jewish. The 1st Spouse could be both a man & Jewish.
3. Like you, many others describe Michelle Obama as beautiful. I just don't see it. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
4. Oh yeah, your post may be entirely accurate.
 
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Getting a little carried away here? Presidential authority to ban adult websites? You can't "grab" what does not exist. The greatest threat to the adult industry in recent years was the Democrats in California using workplace health & safety laws to try and shut down XXX movie sets.

Edited by - aclayfan on 2/10/2019 1:11:59 PM

 
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Michelle is beautiful, but as you said, eye of the beholder.



Smiler, she may be un-electable because there will be the same feeling from whites.

If that is the case, and I am not saying this about you, one of the first reactions will be that whites are racist. Can you tell me why African-Americans are not called out on their racism?
Again, I am not saying you are , because I have never seen it from you. I genuinely want to know if you have seen that too or if you think it's different and why?
IMO, it's exactly the same as whites not being in favor of the union of races, yet I never hear the strident African-Americans de-criers called out on it, in fact, again, not you, I have often read African-American comments saying that they cannot be racist, which is an absurd point of view. And yes, I feel this is apart of the 2020 election process because both sides will be vying hard for votes, regardless of skin color.

Edited by - FlacFan on 2/10/2019 1:35:18 PM

 
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You got proof that the democrats are behind that, the health department doesn't give a shit what peoples politics are, only that what people may be doing could endanger the public.
Could I see the police influencing them? sure. However the LAPD has had a war on porn since the start so this isn't new. It's just a different attack plan.

Incidentally:
Edward M. Davis, Chief of police for L.A. from 69 to 78? Republican.
Daryl Gates, Chief of police for L.A. from 78 to 92? Republican.

Both at the height of 2 porn wars.

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Smiler, I sure hope that Kamala Harris encounters no significant roadblock among African-Americans due to her having a white husband.
But somehow, I don't think that she will, because her winning personality and accomplishments, IMO, will make black folks proud to be casting votes for her.

In Nov. 2016, I voted for Hillary, of course. But I'd be much more enthusiastic to get to vote for Ms Harris, than I was when voting for Hillary Clinton. And BTW, I happen to be a 67 year old white guy, who did mostly blue collar work, in my working years.

And if I was to place a money bet, at this early date, on who the Democratic Party's 2020 Presidential nominee will turn out to be, I'd definitely put my money on Kamala. Because, as you know, the South Carolina primary, several times in the last few decades, has lifted up candidates that needed help from it, with a strong showing there, and put them on a road toward ultimate victory in their respective parties. We remember how after Hillary had been soundly beaten by Bernie in New Hampshire in 2016, Mrs Clinton came roaring back in South Carolina. Also in 2000, after John McCain had seriously put George W Bush on the ropes in New Hampshire, George W made his comeback because of South Carolina. And in 1980, the year in which Reagan was eventually elected President, his strong win in the South Carolina primary, really then launched Mr Reagan's campaign into high gear.

So with Kamala Harris competing for votes among a very large Democratic field, in the South Carolina primary, I have every reason to think that she will really kick ass, and take first place there, by a wide margin. Then it won't matter if someone like Elizabeth Warren had won a major victory in New Hampshire, prior to the South Carolina contest.

Also, 2020's revised primary schedule, which moves the huge California primary much earlier than its been before (to just 4 weeks after South Carolina's, if memory serves) should add a big advantage for Kamala Harris, because she has to be favored to win there since she TWICE WON the office of California Attorney General, and a victory in America's largest state after Kamala had recently won South Carolina, should really launch the lady like a rocket! And of course, a South Carolina victory for Ms Harris, with the great boost in fund raising which it would provide, prior to the California contest, could also play a critical role in her winning really BIG in California, because the state's many, and widespread, media outlets, pose such a big challenge for campaigns in having enough resources for sufficient enough advertising for a candidate to be very competitive, in a state with media that just swallows up money in huge bunches.

Anyhow Smiler, long story short, if Kamala Harris scores the one, two punch of winning convincingly in both South Carolina and California, the lady should pick up so much momentum (and fundraising gains) that I think it will be awfully hard for any Democrat to overtake her.

Wow, like countless other American political junkies, I just can't wait until next winter! And I'll be sure to be well stocked up on popcorn,
to enjoy along with the news coverage, of the various political contests.


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Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 5:39PM
I think Michelle Obama was a beautiful woman. She is tall and has a bright and welcoming smile. To me, she really shined when she was speaking about something she was passionate about. She has charisma, much like her husband.

Melania, and to a lesser extent, Ivanka, at least to me, are like empty vessels. I find both to be physically attractive, and if I didn't know who either was but saw a picture, I'd think they were both quite stunning. But I've also seen both speaking enough to know that neither are very intelligent, and neither of them has even a drop of charisma. I've heard people claim that Melania is actually very intelligent, but because English isn't her first language, we aren't able to see that side of her. Ha ha ha - bullshit.

 
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BOYCOTT JAMES DEEN - BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT BOOK HIM OR SELL HIS WORK. YES, IT'S THAT BLACK & WHITE.
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Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 10:16PM

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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 1:08AM
I've always liked Amy Klobuchar, but with Kamala Harris being in the 2020 Democratic Presidential primary contests, Klobuchar has no realistic chance of taking her party's Presidential nomination.

Edited by - Zoiper2009 on 2/11/2019 1:31:29 AM


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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 4:55AM
At his rallies, Trump would say "I'm really rich", and everyone would cheer. Why? Did they really believe he built a multi billion dollar empire himself from nothing, and was going to do that for the country? Is this just type of American mindset?


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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 9:53AM
Yes, and New York's most famous fraud, also fed those rally audiences his con that Daddy had just helped Donald start off in the real estate development business, with a "modest loan of a million dollars". But an extensive 18 month long investigation by the New York Times, which ended last year, found that Trump got 200 million dollars from Daddy.

 
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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 11:13AM
FF, I'm going to be toally honest, it is definitely a double-standard. Definitely, I have seen it. It rarely gets vocalized in public, but yes, this is the sort of thing you hear in private conversations all the time when you're Black.

There is the feeling that if you marry outside of the race, you are a sellout. You are trying to marry into upward mobility.

Now this is not uniform at all. Attitudes change the younger the generation. If you are someone born and raised in Jim Crow, or if you came of age in the faux-militarism of the 90s, your attitudes are (probably) different then someone who is in their 20s right now. Young blacks these days are WAY more laissez-faire then their parents.

As far as people saying "they can't be racist" I understand that comment and will explain. To many (including myself) the definition of Racism is "entrenched, systematic abuse/prejudice of others strictly because of race, etc." Meaning prejudice against race, religion, sexual orientation, whatever, is something that is a prominent part of your mindset and determines your lifestyle choices. Black people often deny racism because, in large part, we're not in positions to control economic forces, zoning, schooling, the military, etc, to the point where we have the ability to deny rights to Whites and others. We are not part of the power structureper se.

I call what some Blacks do, prejudice or bigotry. The Bigot may hold unkind attitudes about someone from another race, but it doesn't determine their actions or mindset. The Bigot is not going to join Aryan Nation or the KKK. The Bigot has no problem with being at the same workplace at others. Their opposition takes a purely personal nature, and prefer their friendships, neighborhoods, etc. to be of individuals like themselves. At least that's the way I see it, others would call that, in fact, racism.

In my experience though, the only hardcore racial resentment comes from Black Muslims. The teachings of Elijah Muhammad, Malcom X and Louis Farrakhan are not ambiguous: Whites (and especially Jews) are Evil. (Those "Black Israelites" who were harassing everyone during those Marches that gave us the Covington School controversy are a sort of Judeo-Christion mirror image of Black Muslims and are Exhibit A in this regard.) Of course, even with them -- what can they do to Whites or anyone else besides yell at them? They're not know for being physically violent, and they certainly aren't landowners or people who get elected to public office.

Side note:

There's more to this but I don't want to get too bogged down, but that's my beliefs in a nutshell. One other thing: as I also alluded to in my above comments, there's also division in the Black Community over light-skinned blacks. There's always been the belief (justifiable, sometimes) that light-skinned/bi-racial blacks (especially women) can get ahead in society easier than dark-skinned ones. So that's something else Sen. Harris may -- again MAY -- find herself dealing with. Even though she's hardly any different in complexion than Obama was, I'm still taking into account that Black women are THE voting bloc she's depending on in the primaries.

I honestly hope I'm fretting over nothing, but I can't ignore it.

 
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BOYCOTT JAMES DEEN - BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT BOOK HIM OR SELL HIS WORK. YES, IT'S THAT BLACK & WHITE.
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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 11:39AM
^
There's an easy way around that for her:
"So you are more worried about who I married than the future of the nation? If so , then I am not your candidate."

You aren't going to change a set mind or belief system, it won't happen. Even the people who voted for Indy 1 who are now getting screwed by his tax plan are only upset, yet they still support him.
People are willing to tolerate a lot of crap as long as it preserves what they perceive to be factual. Therefore, IMO, she shouldn't try. Put out your policies and ideas and if it isn't good enough for them, it never will be.


The size field is getting really out of pocket, including those looking like they will run, it's at 23. Time to cap and move. No, I don't think they will, but they should.



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Posted - Feb 11 2019 : 1:04PM
Come on now, aclayfan, you need to learn how to read more carefully.
I wasn't "getting carried away here", because my statement clearly included the exact words "who'd LOVE IT if his boss COULD GRAB enough Presidential authority, to be able to BAN websites like AdultDVDTalk." So you seem to have MISSED the fact that the word "if" in that sentence CLEARLY means that Pence would WISH that his boss could grab such authority, and NOT that there's ANY REAL possibility that his boss COULD EVER ACTUALLY have an ability, to grab such power.

Gee, aclayfan, if you regularly interpret the meaning of statements with such glaring inaccuracy, if you were an international diplomat for the United States, you could easily cause an international incident to flare-up between America and another country, in no time at all!

So try to be a lot more careful with your reading, aclayfan.

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