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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 11:22AM
Appropriate the money to put Armed security in EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in America.
Get it done before school resumes after winter break.
 
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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 11:29AM
Let's give everyone a gun! Happiness is a warm gun, yes it is.

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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 11:44AM
Don't criminals just shoot the Don Knotts-like sleepy old security guard first?
 
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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 11:46AM
Fox wants no parts of this. the other news channels are having those round-table discussions, Fox however has had to resort to covering Boehner's Plan B debacle and (!!) President Obama giving remarks at the funeral of Sen. Daniel Inouye.
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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 1:00PM
Whatever happened to making everyone sign a "loyalty oath" before being allowed in?
(Worked for Bush 43 in 2004.)

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Here's my little math exercise for today. I googled a few things. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there are 99,000 K-12 schools in the U.S. They are in about 14,000 school districts, so we need about 99,000 security guards PLUS at least 14,000 extras, which is only one per district to cover for guards who are out sick or on vacation--it might work for the little districts but not the ones with 120 school in the district. Let's be on the safe side and say we need 120,000 security guards with a very conservative 1.5 extra guards per district. Okay. I don't see how one security guard could have done diddly squat even at my small, small 500 person high school, with its three or four large buildings, but let's be optimistic.
So, the average security guard pay ranges from $32,000 to $50,000 per year depending on location. I'm going to say that kids' lives are a big responsibility, more so than guarding money, and that the government wages are higher than private wages and that the average school will pay $40,000. According to MIT.edu, the cost of an employee for wages+payroll+benefits is 1.24 to 1.4 times base pay, but according to the Bureau of Labor statistics, the government pays about 35% of its cost in benefits, so I'm going to say the district cost for a $40,000 security guard is around $60,000 a year. I'm going to ignore the 9 month school year and say you'll lose the good guards if you don't pay what they can get elsewhere, so find a use for them during the summer, even if you don't do summer school. Even in my piddly rural hometown which has no summer school, people are poor so they have free lunches at the school during the summer, so, whatever.
Okay, so we have a minimum of 120,000 security guards at $60,000 a year, is that 7.2 billion dollars. Probably double that, realistically, and it doesn't include district training programs and security equipment and any other compliance stuff.
It won't do any good in preventing any school shootings--it really won't. Even little schools have separate buildings for gym and so forth, and they have multiple entrances, and any shooter will just scope out the place and shoot the security guard as he steps out of his car in the morning, or on his way to work, or something. But the schools that have already cut every teacher they can, where do they find this money? Is the person who is suggesting this going to pay for it?
Seriously, the schools have halved the number of teachers by doubling class size, have further reduced the number of teachers by cutting art, music, and other programs, have cut library hours, started sharing things like the janitor and the school counselor, have closed cafeterias so meals for several schools can be prepared centrally and shipped, and have started consolidating multiple school districts into single districts to further share staff and fire people. For many years, the teachers have been spending hundreds of dollars out of their own pockets for school supplies for kids. Local church groups pack little snack kits and load them every morning into kids' backpacks because there are hungry kids and the school district doesn't have the funds to feed them adequately to make up for meals missed at home. The tiny district with two schools (they already closed the junior high and put the students in with the elementary kids) is going to find $120,000 + money for a security substitute and other costs?
It's crazy, just in the numbers. Thank you NRA.

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Posted - Dec 21 2012 : 2:07PM
You know what this reminds me of?
In the early seventies, when I was looking at Barron's guide to colleges or whatever it was called, I had to rule out a bunch of colleges for policies that I didn't like. A substantial percentage of schools at the time had a policy that there was no curfew at the men's dorms (there were no co-ed dorms then--in fact you could get expelled if you had someone of the opposite sex in your room after hours), but at the women's dorms there was a curfew of 10pm or midnight. There was no explanation in the guide why the women had to be in by as early as 10pm and there was no curfew for men.
So I called a couple of colleges and asked why.
Well, it seemed that women could be raped, so they had to be home by 10pm. The logic, I guess, is that it's safe to let rapists out at night, as long as you don't permit women to go out.
So, we're planning to arm the gunmen, and put the children under lock and key.
This is not a good society.
 
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Rupert Murdoch's paper.
Edited by - RichK on 12/22/2012 10:39:32 AM

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I've gotten very tired of the right attacking teachers.
I've know a lot of teachers, and they would take bullets for their kids. IN these situations, you are never going to find that a teacher heard shots, leaped out a window and ran. I told my husband that when they finish all the CSI stuff, they'll find the kids squashed into a corner and the teacher in front, and if they could tell what she was doing before she died, she'd be spread-eagle wide in front of them, trying to stop a bullet. Sure enough, evidently there was some passing report that got little attention, that the teachers were clearly trying to protect the students.
Now, yesterday, Wayne LaPierre speaks, and he is an ass-clown, with both feet in his mouth. A guest on msnbc said that he was thinking "evil" when LaPierre spoke. Now, some of the hosts on msnbc can be a little over-the-top; they can throw a little hyperbole in there; they can infer meaning that wasn't implied by the speaker--sometimes I'm uncomfortable with it. I'm looking at you, Lawrence. But I think that "evil" is spot on. Because whatever it is in people that causes the older and larger ones to want to protect the more vulnerable ones, and whatever it is that makes the teachers shield the kids and try to stop the bullets, Wayne LaPierre doesn't have a speck of it. He's beneath contempt.

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Posted - Dec 23 2012 : 2:02PM
Fareed Zakaria GPS (on cnn) is tackling the gun issue with numbers--the U.S. has 5% of the world population and 50% of the guns in the world. Britain's gun murder rate is 3% of ours, France 1/30th of our gun violence rate, Australia 1/12th of our gun violence rate. Australia's gun violence rate plummeted after they passed reforms on assault weapons (a "real ban" that didn't have 600 exceptions as our assault weapon ban did).

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Posted - Dec 24 2012 : 11:52AM
Now they've also had some guy on who wants to arm teachers. Greaaaaaaat. He was asked, "What if the teacher doesn't want to carry a gun?" He replied, "Then I don't want my kid in his class."
I have to wonder if that guy has ever been in a school, or if he's ever met a teacher.
Our high school had a couple of male teachers who could handle a gun. One was ex-military. Then there was the coach. There was another guy who liked to hunt. But the rest of the teachers? Oh, how wimpy was the band teacher! The Spanish teacher must have had polio as a child or something, she was slight of build (gaunt, even) and dragged a withered leg. The popular, cute English teacher was all of 22 years old, all of 5 foot 2, and maybe 100 pounds. She wore cute little dresses with no handy gun pocket. The math teacher was about 65 years old, and she was genial. Most of these teachers carrying a gun would have constituted nothing more than easy gun storage for any high school student who wanted to grab a gun and shoot the place up.
First, we get rid of all the small, old, or infirm teachers, as well as the friendly, sweet ones, and all the Quakers. We hire only ex-Navy SEALS as teachers. Yeah, that's the ticket. Or maybe bikers.
I know the NRA wants a Mad Max World, but arming teachers is a joke.

Edited by - lindi on 12/24/2012 11:54:13 AM


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Posted - Dec 24 2012 : 1:30PM
^The joke was almost law in Michigan. The governor vetoed the bill that would have allowed guns in gun-free zones.

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lindi . Do you have any photos of the 22 y/o 100lb hottie in her little dresses. I don't need a confirmation I believe you, butt inspiration is always a good thing


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Posted - Dec 24 2012 : 3:02PM
Sorry -- that was about 1973, but I don't even have my yearbook anymore!
She had long brunette hair, if that helps the imagination. She was cute by 1973 standards. A couple of the boys who were real good friends of mine signed up for whatever she was adviser for--school newspaper or Quill and Scroll or the literary magazine or whatever--which they wouldn't ordinarily have done, just so they could sniff around her.

Edited by - lindi on 12/24/2012 3:20:20 PM

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Posted - Dec 26 2012 : 6:33PM
Who will give the Republican response to the State of the Union?

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Posted - Dec 27 2012 : 3:33AM
So now you're comparing carefully planned terrorist organizations and lunatic spree killers. Thanks for contributing.

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Posted - Jan 10 2013 : 8:12PM
: NRA Vows to Fight...

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Posted - Jan 10 2013 : 9:09PM
Big surprise.
NRA can suck my dick.

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Posted - Jan 10 2013 : 9:54PM
How is the status quo the "extreme" position? Arming every teacher in every school is an extreme position. Opposing an unworkable, so-called "assault weapons" ban and public databases of gun buyers is just maintaining the status quo and it may be "uncomfortable" or "unacceptable" but it's not "extreme." But that is what Bloomberg's group is saying.
I wouldn't call a so-called "assault weapons" ban an "extreme" step. I get why people think it could work, and I don't consider all supporters of such measures as tyranny-supporting soldiers of the coming holocaust. I know it's unworkable, and I believe it's not permissible under the Second Amendment. That isn't an "extreme" position. And it's the status quo. Current law is not "extreme."
Maybe we've hit that point where the word "extreme" loses all meaning as it can simply be interpreted as "whatever I'm against." We should take "extreme" out of the political lexicon. Positions held sincerely by rational people aren't "extreme" and don't make the people holding them "extremists."

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Posted - Jan 11 2013 : 12:14PM
Because the status quo has resulted in "extreme" events. Death and carnage at the point of a gun every single day in the United States of America.
Same can be said for climate change.
Edited by - rlankford on 1/11/2013 12:15:00 PM

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Posted - Jan 11 2013 : 3:30PM
Keene said the NRA will take its lobbying might and growing membership list to Congress to fight every item on Biden's agenda, from a reinstated assault weapons ban to a universal criminal and mental health background check and bans on high capacity ammunition magazines. Since the Newtown shooting Dec. 17, the NRA has attracted 100,000 new members, bringing its total membership count to 4.2 million.
The group also opposes increased federal research into gun violence, another Biden priority.
Now this is just common sense. Why in God's name would we want to make sure those purchasing firearms are not criminals or have a history of mental illness? I read and re-read the Second Amendment and couln't quite find the part about the rights of convicted felons or nutcases to own a gun....I'll look again
And research gun violence? Why bother? Why would we want to actually find out the social root causes for gun violence? All we might be able to do is stop this from happening again, not a big deal really.
Unbefuckinglievable!
Edited by - wardqueenjanine on 1/11/2013 3:30:36 PM
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Using emotion to argue against reason is never a good idea.

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Why? It seems to work for a lot of people. Hell, some of them make millions of dollars a year doing it. It's probably more effective than reason.
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Posted - Jan 11 2013 : 7:35PM
^^ The whole Libertarian, i'm above it all schtick is just tiresome. Voting for Gary Johnson is a total copout. I'm a Progressive and I say the same about those who voted for Nader.
Pick a side, either side. The left of the Right side or the right of the Left side. Otherwise, please sit down and be quite.
Edited by - rlankford on 1/11/2013 7:37:03 PM

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^ If a nation is already extorting nearly half of my income to finance its relentless aggression against smaller nations, I refuse to reward its elected politicians with my vote.
The day we learned there were, in fact, no WMDs in Iraq those 110,937-121,227 Iraqi civilian deaths ceased being collateral damage and became 110,937-121,227 murders.
For you to accuse those of us who refuse to support this genocide of "copping out" says much more about you than it does of those whose moral compass is guided by non-aggression and diplomacy.
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Posted - Jan 12 2013 : 9:04AM
I am talking political arguments here which are basically debates either for or against a particular idea. Ideas are derived from thought. Thoughts come from reason or logic. Feelings are derived from the heart and are basically knee jerk reactions to a particular situation. I've never seen anyone win a debate with a knee jerk reaction. They might win fights that way but not debates. You win debates by having a better idea than the other guy and by being able to explain or communicate that idea better than the other guy can communicate his idea. All emotion does is tell someone you feel a certain way. It doesn't explain why you feel that way or offer a solution to make you feel a different way. For that you need to think, not feel.

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Posted - Jan 12 2013 : 9:42AM
^^ So you are a one issue voter?
We live in a millon issue world.
For the record, I was also against the Iraq War, and I hate the way we use our military. In 2000 I voted for Gore. Nader got 97,000 votes in Florida. Gore lost Florida by 500 (official/unofficial/whatever) votes. We got Bush in the White House. We got the Iraq War. So what exactly did the Nader "protest voters" accomplish? They helped change history.

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Posted - Jan 12 2013 : 12:31PM
TUP said:
Yeah, but if you are Rush Limbaugh, using emotion instead of reason is incredibly lucrative. It is for lots of people. Anybody want to buy a bomb shelter and 7,000 cans of food?

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Posted - Jan 16 2013 : 6:47AM
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Politico: House shows little appetite for gun reform
Emphasis mine. I'm obviously suspicious that this is just business as usual, fight for what you want or just get an issue with which to bash your opponents repeatedly.
Other than that - well, that is why I voted for them. The president needs Congress to act. Congress doesn't have to. He can exhaust himself throwing punches to fight to a draw, and they can still walk away leaving nothing changed. Don't fight people that are perfectly fine with the status quo.
 
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Congratulations America! Your President just signed 23 Gun Control Exec. Actions! A good start!

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But, in typical NRA fashion, the fundraising letter is a bit more unhinged. I haven't received this, but I gather this is the fundraising letter from the NRA ():

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Raspberry.
Bronx cheer.

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The NRA is a lobbyist group now, not a sportsperson's organization any longer. As such, they can be expected to distort, skew or inflame any points they can in order to raise money just like any other lobbyist, irrespective of left or right leanings or issue at hand. As such, like the rest of them they have lost most all or their credibility, which is a shame for those who have long supported them and been involved in wildlife conservation efforts and what was one of their hallmarks believe it or not, an excellent firearm safety instructor program. Shot themselves in the foot (pun intended).

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Posted - Jan 23 2013 : 1:37AM
If Wayne LaPierre doesn't shut the fuck up, I'm leaving the NRA.
EDIT: [link inactive:404 - Page not found]LaPierre totally fucking missing the point
Edited by - Cody McLarge on 1/23/2013 1:41:03 AM

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Posted - Jan 23 2013 : 2:01AM
Oh yeah, I saw him droning on about Obama's half sentence about absolutism and principle. He really needs to shut the fuck up.

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^^ Cody, do you own a company that manufactures guns? That is who he represents, not the members of the NRA.
A Grandfather giving little Jonni a gun as a gift? Give me a fucking break. What a total piece of shit this man is.
I wonder what his position on guns would be if one of his grandchildren was a victim in Connecticut. Same for Boehner, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell or any of the other leaders is Washington. That may be what is needed to happen before any sensible changes to our gun laws happen. Empathy and comapassion? I guess not. Not until it hits them directly. Right now it is all about power and money.
 
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Posted - Jan 23 2013 : 1:06PM
I just want to know when the congressional hearings are going to happen concerning BeyonceGate! We need to know who knew she would be lip synching and when they knew it. I think the American public needs to know how such a travesty was allowed to happen on our soil.

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rlankford, the NRA still represents my position, if a bit unhinged. And I doubt anything would change if one of their children were a victim of gun violence. On that note, one of the family members of a Sandy Hook child victim is advocating for a but getting little traction because the purveyors of the predictable non-solutions don't have sense, anyway.
 
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I know a couple of people who have resigned from the NRA because of this.

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If Wayne LaPierre ever leaves the NRA he's got a guaranteed job at Fox News. He'd fit in perfectly between O'Reilly and Hannity.

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Posted - Jan 24 2013 : 2:26AM
When he leaves the NRA, he has a much warmer place waiting for him.

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Aside from the fact that the first was an utter failure, Sen. Tim Murphy (D, CT) assures us "[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Kids would be alive today in Newtown, Connecticut if the law that were proposing today were in place on December 14th of last year." That isn't true at all, hey, never miss an opportunity to exploit a tragedy.
The NYT had on what Sen. Joe Manchin (D, WV) found when he went home, and came back very unlikely to support this non-solution. No, the Senate will not pass, probably won't even consider an "assault weapons" ban, but if I'm wrong, the House will undoubtedly let it sit idle. As they should.

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Posted - Jan 24 2013 : 6:27PM
Let's not forget the ultra creepy emergence of doctors interrogating their patients about the presence of guns in their homes. Apparently, that's supposed to be something that is justified in light of the fact that a few people went on shooting sprees last year.
Nice to see that things are going exactly as predicted. The government uses every path it has at it's disposal to get into areas of your life where it doesn't belong. As soon as it succeeded in getting a good foothold in the doctor's office, this is what happens.
Maybe in a few years your doctor will be asking you how much porn you watch. Doesn't sound so far fetched now, does it?
Edited by - randomprecision on 1/24/2013 6:34:06 PM

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Posted - Jan 24 2013 : 6:52PM
Amygdala in overdrive.

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I wonder how conservatives who decry forced union membership feel about this. I'm sure they have been able to justify the hypocricy in their own minds.

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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 2:06PM
I don't mind it, considering the NRA, through all its hypocrisy and incompetent CEO, advocates for the same things I do. It's private practice, the discretion of shooting ranges, many of which have a relationship with the NRA. It's not the same as a closed-shop situation.

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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:12PM
So what do you say to the person who wants to go use a particular gun range but doesn't want to join the NRA?
Edited by - rlankford on 2/3/2013 4:19:20 PM
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