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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:21PM
Tough shit. There's other ranges, probably.

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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:23PM
So then you would say the same to the person who wants to take a particular job but doesn't want to join that jobs union.

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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:26PM
Or to someone that wants to join a union, yes.

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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:29PM
So you do not sympathize with someone complaining about having to pay union dues. Your respone to them is that they should not have taken the job in the first place and they should quit and find a non-union job.
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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:32PM
I guess. I just freeloaded.
 
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Posted - Feb 3 2013 : 4:45PM
Interesting story.
In my years of shooting in lots of places, I have never seen a NRA only range. I have seen membership discounts for NRA memberships, but never an exclusionary rule.

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Posted - Feb 4 2013 : 9:27PM
Is this sham rage?
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Posted - Feb 4 2013 : 9:40PM
I don't know--I was referring to what RandomPrecision said:
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You might want to get a cup of coffee before reading this. Really long with a lot of words not normally used in ordinary conversation. I will admit to skipping over a paragraph or two due to mental fatigue from digesting the rest but I can't really argue with the stuff that didn't give me brain drain.
 
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20yrs ago we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope&Steve Jobs. Now we have no cash, no hope&no jobs... Please don't let Kevin Bacon die!!!
Just read this on twitter, hilarious.

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Posted - Mar 24 2013 : 11:24PM
This thread may be dormant but the debate is not. In fact, it has gotten even more political. The "assault weapons" ban has been stripped from a comprehensive bill, though it will be voted on as an amendment, and make any bill impossible to pass. Background checks are still in, though the NRA keeps telling us that expanding a broken system is a nonstarter.
In fact, I chose to revisit this thread because of .
Bloomberg indeed sounds resigned. After going after politicians that called an "assault weapons" ban "extreme", Mayors Against Illegal Guns is itself resigned to the "demand a plan. Demand a vote. Demand a check" message. And even then, the NRA seems to think it has the advantage.
LaPierre has been all over the map. At one point, I thought about leaving the NRA.
But that interview was excellent. He took it right to Bloomberg, suggesting that the Mayor might just be the worst spokesman for the "gun safety". It's a sad day when Wayne LaPierre is more centrist and reasonable than anyone, but then again, it is not every day he gets compared to Bloomberg. And getting to be the populist in the fight can only help the NRA's cause.
And it's not as if the NRA is moving away from it's "defenders of freedom" stand either, as he told David Gregory he still believes an assault weapons ban would be unconstitutional.
Not that the NRA doesn't have reforms in mind.
Though Gregory wasn't letting up, so LaPierre rolled out his latest message, a smart attack on the media, progressive "gun safety" advocates, AND the administration.
For his part, Bloomberg was asked if Mayors of Illegal Guns would target lawmakers that oppose an "assault weapons" ban. Citing data on "universal" background checks, he said, "If 90 percent of the public wants something and their representatives vote against that, common sense says they are going to have a price to pay for that."
We'll see. It may very well be that lawmakers will decide a "universal" update to the background check is reasonable. It is, but it has its flaws too. And if the NRA can make the cons outweighs the pros, it will die a deserved death. If not, politics will win, and then its just an election issue. I'd give the advantage to the NRA. Don't challenge people that can do nothing and still win.
 
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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 12:14AM
The Newton shooter didn't buy any guns - his mother did - so Pierre is still posturing.

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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 1:10AM
^A point someone made today. It might have been him, or Ralph Reed, or perhaps Karl Rove but someone made that point on one of the Sunday shows. No pending legislation would have prevented the massacre at Sandy Hook.
 
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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 2:10AM
Well, let's just let the legislators off the hook, then.
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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 11:22AM
Well, the flip side of that argument, Cody, is:
A lot of people have at least one unstable friend or relative.
So maybe it means that if you sell automatic or semi-automatic weapons to anyone, unstable people may have access to them.

Edited by - lindi on 3/25/2013 11:23:36 AM


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The people want change. Our elected officials won't give them to us.

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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 1:16PM
Probably. I was pretty quick to the draw when I said that no one could show me a reasonable law that would deny the purchase of a firearm to Nancy Lanza.

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Posted - Mar 25 2013 : 3:54PM
When there is no fuel left to put in trucks, what we own is what we can carry or pull. Everything else is geography. The gun lobby will eventually become more reasonable about the size of gun and ammo collections, or they will fall down and die.

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Posted - Mar 28 2013 : 5:56AM

UPDATE:
Edited by - Cody McLarge on 3/28/2013 3:56:05 PM

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Posted - Mar 28 2013 : 10:27PM
Well, I was never going to vote for any of those guys anyhow.

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Posted - Mar 28 2013 : 11:26PM
As Mayor Bloomberg is discovering, you or any other voter's opinion, or "the voters' opinion", do not really matter anyway. Partisan politics aside, they are effectively killing gun "safety" legislation, an effort that is worth your attention and mine. I'm not promoting a partisan political agenda, right now, but the cause, the bipartisan cause of Second Amendment advocacy.

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Posted - Mar 29 2013 : 1:07AM
I disagree.

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Posted - Apr 10 2013 : 10:48PM
The agreement that finally looks poised to pass the Senate [link inactive:404 - Page not found]has emerged.
I think all federal firearms legislation should be subjected to the higher sixty-vote threshold. Contrary to popular narratives, a filibuster is meant to extend debate, and something constitutionally dubious, at best, should be subject to higher scrutiny and further debate. So I hope there is the threatened filibuster.
The reaction to the obvious vehicle has been super disjointed. Heritage Action is upset it was crafted behind closed doors with the evil Sen. Schumer, who was then barred from appearing with Toomey-Manchin in some sinister plot straight out of the Wizard of Oz, supposedly. The NRA pulled their "none of this shit would affect gun violence" routine, which is true and hardly a reaction, certainly not an argument against the legislative proposal at best. The filibuster crew wanted to change the subject. The White House sounded resigned.
I have a very high standard for gun laws so I'm actually weary of the requirement to turn mental health records into NICS, but Sen. Toomey says that is just re-enforcing current law, specifically:
I trust ya, Senator. I know Pat Toomey and Joe Manchin are no gun control zealots, but I will need to verify. The legislative language isn't up yet, but the vote is set for 11am EST tomorrow.

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Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 12:24PM

Filibusters are debates, but whatever.
The first amendment will be the Manchin-Toomey-Kirk-Schumer compromise described in the post above, which will mostly gut the bill that was authorized to proceed.
I think it's o.k. to keep amendments to standard rules, in part because I want Sen. Ted Cruz's amendment to force the Department of Justice to prosecute gun felonies to pass or give the Republicans a great talking point, but the final bill will have to be held to a higher standard. Who knows? Maybe the Cruz amendment would pass. Maybe the Democrats will accidentally vote to ban so-called assault weapons or high capacity magazines and poison the whole thing.
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Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 9:56PM
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]the full text has been posted
Bottom line: It's an acceptable start. It closes the "gun show loophole" which I fully agree HAS NOTHING to do with these media sensation mass killings, and provided there is no "silver bullet" fix to preventing gun violence, the requirement to perform a background check on all sales to strangers is indeed common sense. I am not against closing this loophole.
In fact, I think the fines for failing to perform a background check when selling a gun to a stranger, i.e. online, should be inordinately high. Now, to be sure, this is a state matter, but you can't sell a car without a "pink slip". Cars aren't guns. One's protected by the Second Amendment, but as the Court has to consider, so long as a background check is not a burden, not meant to register, confiscate, track, or report a protected firearm, then this is not a unreasonable standard.
It should still be held to a 60 vote threshold, but I don't consider it, and I don't think even Anthony Scalia would consider it, an infringement of the Second Amendment. The efficacy of this, like the popular Brady Law it expands, is worth debating.
I think Manchin-Toomey is a start, and enforcing the law, encouraging cities like Chicago to ya know, enforce firearms law like NYC, even encouraging states to develop the AOT mental health standards opposed by HHS are ideal steps. Is it a waste of time? Is it a non-starter red line? I say not. Combined with some "pro-gun" amendments, I say 60 votes or bust, but I'd be in favor of final passage.
Tactically, I think the NRA was mostly right when it took on Bloomberg. I think Cruz, Lee, Paul and others are right to insist we focus on other factors exclusively, for now. Tactically, Toomey sold out early. 16 Republicans then decided to ignore their right flank. But once they did, we have to deal with what is in front of us.
The Manchin-Toomey amendment is not a gun grab, whatsoever, and it should not be considered an anti-gun proposal. It is misguided tactically but weighing the pros/cons of this to the status quo and especially the Dems' alternatives, I can't oppose it. I'd be fine with the status quo, but apparently that is impolitic.
So now the zealots that framed the issue, with as many pictures, gory depictions, and emotional appeals are taking a victory lap. Whatever. The truth is the goal posts moved in our direction, and they came crawling. They came groveling, albeit with powerful and appealing emotional calls to ban arms, and they were denied 9 out of the ten things they were pushing.
I think Republicans and the gun lobby could have got more, but Toomey decided to let him up offering a few low-priority concessions, and they might have been able to get more. They might still. The debate has only begun.
There could still be more armed guards in schools, armed teachers even (mostly a state-by-state fight), more proper treatment and adjudications of the dangerously unstable, even more protections for people with concealed carry permits. This ain't over.
But only Joe Manchin gets to save face. Whatever the zealots are saying to their supporters is just a hollow charade. The whole thing was.

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Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 10:51PM
As I mentioned before somewhere, an elementary school teacher in my hometown was showing his dad his new gun and accidentally shot himself dead.
I don't think we needed him bringing his gun to school.

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Posted - Apr 12 2013 : 1:08AM
Lindi rocks. I love the simplicity.

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Posted - Apr 12 2013 : 1:47AM
Finally some people coming to their senses and using their brains instead of getting influenced by NRA propaganda.
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Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 12:06AM
As not mentioned 90 million times, millions of people were showing their new guns to random people and nothing happened at all. But that doesn't fit the agenda so you don't hear about it until it makes you want to stick your own head in a meat grinder.
 
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Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 2:15AM
As usual, you're wide of the mark, RP. Lindi's point is that school teachers are as likely to do harm as to do good in the role of security guard. My additional thought is that it is ludicrous to ask our already overworked and underpaid teachers to take on that role in any meaningful capacity.
They do not have the time to be both effective teachers, which involves a great deal more than just leading a class, and security officers. Therefor, pretending that arming them is a meaningful response to Newtown is just avoiding our societal responsibility in favor of setting somebody else up to fail. Obviously, this fact does not make me look kindly upon Mr. LaPierre.
Having said that, I agree that we are never going to rid the country of guns by fiat. Again, my opinion is that, while there is no magic bullet, the ideal solution is to spend the money and human capital building a truly viable mental health care system. Granted, such a system will not end the violence in our gun-happy culture, but it will greatly reduce the risk of these mass attacks.

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Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 3:32AM
My point was that this is cherry picking. People who are armed and who are not trying to injure or kill anyone generally don't. Accidents are going to happen. An accidental discharge is unlikely to kill 30 people.
And apparently, if the teacher is standing there unarmed looking stupid when it really counts, they're almost guaranteed to end up in a puddle of their own blood.
Oh please. Teachers have almost perfect job security. And for the amount of work they do, they're paid better than some people who work ten times harder in much worse conditions.
Irrelevant. If one of these shooters shows up in their classroom, they're not exactly going to be standing there teaching. They're going to have time to try and stay alive.
It's as meaningful as anything else.
And then the clock starts ticking before this "mental health system" turns into a blank check to deny people their rights, abuse them and force them into "special treatment" because they don't fit in a society in which they are not supposed to be forced into fitting.
Which isn't worth it because they are rare. Setting up a thought police type system in a country of 300 million in response to 30 murders by one guy?
Edited by - randomprecision on 4/13/2013 3:33:57 AM

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If they want to, they must be afforded the opportunity. They're more dutifully trained as well. I don't even know if people in Utah even knew that was already state law. And 200 armed teachers will result in negligible, if any, consequences there. Of course, the headline "NRA says arm teachers!" is far from the step-by-step, consideration-by-consideration [link inactive:404 - Page not found]proposal they actually produced. I'd post some of it, but it doesn't translate. Everyone gets worried because "the NRA says we have to arm teachers!" when it's really "the NRA says districts and states should allow teachers to arm themselves in the classroom, provided they undergo extensive training in firearms, threat assessment, threat response, live-fire target practice, are approved by local law enforcement and school site security personnel, and continuously updating their preparedness training as further experiences and research suggest."

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 8:30AM
Sorry for all those who believe in the NRA, give teachers guns and that's the solution, is complete BS and idiotic.
Let's think about this.
If more guns = better outcome, why aren't bank tellers, bank employees, managers given guns? Because they aren't trained, there would be more innocent people dead than without, etc. etc.
Same with teachers. Teachers don't have training on active shooter(s) responses and they are hugely biased. Lets say teacher encounters one, will they be objective like security agent or police? They would most likely do something heavily biased towards their kids.
If you want a armed person on premise, have a TRAINED GUARD. But I don't understand why all police departments don't require a patrol be within 5 minutes of schools these days, with these frequent shootings and incidences.
Not to mention, some of the shooters (like Columbine) were actually somewhat tactically sound, esp for their ages. Leave shooter response to the trained professionals!

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 10:37AM
Well, it's alright, then.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 10:38AM
Well, that's a whole other job, then, isn't it. That's not a teacher.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 10:39AM
They receive it, and the trained "professionals" are part of training, credentialing, and auditing. Armed teachers is a reality is some states already, Utah, for example and the number of problems is minuscule if there have been any. It doesn't appear so.
 
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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 2:23PM
^ Unless the trained teachers in Utah have had to use their weapons we don't know whether it is an issue or not.
So, let us imagine that the world's best teacher is a pacifist, and refuses to handle firearms. Do we refuse to hire the world's best teacher because an average teacher who can give your child an average education might be able to protect your child in the event some nut comes into the school shooting, or do we hire the world's best teacher and get somebody to provide security whose job is to provide security?
For me, that's a no-brainer, and I'll give you one guess which way the rich people's school districts go.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 3:06PM
Instead of training teachers to be security specialists, let's train the SWAT team to teach school.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 3:16PM
^It's also a false dichotomy.
Hey, the next post is my 7,000th.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 3:27PM
Okay, SEAL team 6, then. Kindergarten Cop.

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1). Pass state and be licensed teacher.
2). Former Delta with at least 3 years running direct action, hostage rescue and clandestine ops.
3). Able to clear Kill House course in 0:30 w/100% accuracy and no friendly
4). Speak Farci and Arabic.
5). Good with kids.
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^ Someone who can do all that combat and still be good with children has godlike skills . Finding someone with godlike skills at 30k to 45k will be a breeze. Good like finding potential job candidates.

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Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 6:26PM
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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 3:04AM
what if teachers dont want to be trained in fire arms ? and you cant arm enough in every school, will they be forced?

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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 5:20AM
No, it's always voluntary.

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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 5:33AM
Why not? This is the age of mandates.

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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 11:26AM
Well, those teachers are up against semi-automatic weapons with 30-bullet clips. What are they going to be packing?

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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 1:39PM
SEPARATED AT BIRTH?
Some people can't tell them apart.
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Posted - Apr 15 2013 : 9:36PM
Assuming no more Senators that voted to filibuster the original bill on Friday decides to support the amendment, that would be 40 no votes. That is enough to filibuster the amendment, though I suspect some of these no votes would decline to do so.
40 is obviously not a simple majority. The Hill also notes many Democrat are not committed yet.
Oh just saw Sen. Tester indicated his support.
Republican Sens. McCain and Collins will support it.
So that would be 48-40.
Edited by - Cody McLarge on 4/15/2013 9:36:37 PM
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