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Posted - Apr 16 2013 : 6:13PM
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Since Manchin-Toomey looks like it might fall short of 60 votes on its own, this "alternative" would probably make a fantastic addition. Count me in: no gun bill without the Grassley-Cruz Amendment!

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Posted - Apr 16 2013 : 6:35PM
 
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Posted - Apr 16 2013 : 6:56PM
Do these people really think their legislation would have stopped Ted Kaczynski? We don't need 'relevant mental health records', we need effective mental health care - there's a world of difference.
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Edited by - hardware on 4/16/2013 6:56:55 PM

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Posted - Apr 16 2013 : 10:07PM
1. Louisiana
2. Alaska
3. Alabama
4. Arizona
5. Mississippi
6. S. Carolina
7. New Mexico
8. Missouri
9. Arkansas
10. Georgia
20 Senators - 14 Republicans, 6 Democrats
61 House - 43 Republicans, 18 Democrats
I wonder how many of these 81 democratically elected officials will vote to do anything to address the death and violence taking place among the people they represent.
Edited by - rlankford on 4/16/2013 10:08:17 PM
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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 7:17PM
I'll throw this in here to keep the Boston Bombing thread on topic of the actual crime. Salon.com

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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 8:03PM
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Fail
He's right. There was some real disingenuous behavior here. Oh well, there was no imperative to expand background checks. It wouldn't stop mass shootings. It wouldn't keep guns on of gang-bangers' hands. It wouldn't prevent gun violence in the slightest.
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]The NRA had their own response
Now the question is: do the Democrats really want to pass anything or will they give up and leave the status quo in place, throwing a fit because they can't expand background checks.
[link inactive:500 Server error]The Republicans' amendment was also rejected 52-48, 44 Republicans voting in favor
[link inactive:500 Server error]The anti-trafficking amendment failed by two votes
[link inactive:500 Server error]There were only 40 votes for the assault weapons ban
[link inactive:500 Server error]A "protect veterans' right to bear arms" amendment was defeated 56-44
And [link inactive:500 Server error]the "high capacity magazine" ban failed 54-46
 
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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 8:40PM
So a convicted felon can't vote, but can still buy a gun at a gun show or over the internet. Fan-fucking-tastic.

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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 9:57PM
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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 11:42PM
I was thinking a little about that after the Newtown massacre. The teachers could have jumped out a window and run off, but they never do, and they never will. They stand in front of their huddled students and spread themselves out wide and try to stop the bullets.
They don't reason that it "won't do any good" to try to stop bullets. So they don't hop out a window and flee.
Some of these congressmen are just wimps. It's hard to muster anything more respectful to say about them.

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Posted - Apr 17 2013 : 11:47PM
Ya know what. You say this. But you wouldn't know unless they were confronted with a shooter. No one should face that, but I would think some congressmen, those that have served in the armed forces, for example, would more than prove you wrong.
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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 1:15AM
when there is a bombing we blame the bomber when theres a shooting we blame the gun
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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 1:27AM
thats why you should get your gun so you can kill him before he kills you... like the wild wild west... like when the constitution was created..hmmmm

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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 1:43AM
Not true. We blame the shooter.
We'd just like to make it a little harder for them to up the score.
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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 1:52PM
as soon as the next "saint reagan" gets elected and he cant do shit because of the filibuster debacle they will change the rules and those who want to change a law or two again will be able to
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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 2:02PM
at least now you can be put on mental medications and not have your guns taken away

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Posted - Apr 24 2013 : 7:29PM

It may only be temporary. We'll see.
Unfortunately it looks like it will take another mass shooting to put gun control back in the spotlight again. Or maybe if one of the innocent victims is a close family member of Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell or John Boehner.

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Posted - Apr 24 2013 : 11:01PM
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Ayotte rode the coatails of those who are the new educated female politicans albeit with a conservative bent. She is in reality however, a throwback in every way to the climate of the nation of about 75 years ago.
 
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Posted - Apr 24 2013 : 11:06PM
^In fairness, that still puts her roughly 100 years ahead of most Republicans...

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Posted - Apr 24 2013 : 11:35PM
Ayotte is headed for a hell of a coronation though. She's the leader of the opposition to the internet sales tax push, staunchly pro-life, pro-gun, and John McCain's best friend on national security. She'll be winning multiple accolades from the small business community, which is strong in New Hampshire politics and not just Republican races, and she's on the right side of most of the issues in N.H. She will easily win her primary, if there's even a challenger, and would be more than formidable in the general election of 2016.
That is the reset election. All the Tea Party upstarts will be up for reelection in a presidential election year. The Democrats will get the first real test on whether the Obama coalition will last, turn out for them, and propel them to victory even if the candidate is not Barack Obama. Though I see Clinton/Castro from a mile away. Ron Johnson, Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Ayotte, even Marco Rubio will face a whole new challenge. It'll also be take three on the Republican Party's chance to rid itself of "Bush baggage" and build a new coalition.
As far as guns are concerned, a whole lotta bluster. OFA doesn't involve itself in campaigns but it's had protests outside Pryor (AR) and Baucus (MT) offices going since the filibuster threat. I still think this fight amounted to punching a rock. There's no pressure, no reason, whatsoever, for Republicans and red state Democrats to abandon their strong anti-gun control stances, and some national polls weren't going to change that. Speeches and standing ovations weren't going to change that. Families of victims were the best shot, and they milked the shit out of that, but to no avail. No avail. Besides, what kind of cynical b.s. is that? We won't see the families of the victims of the Boston Marathon bombings or the West, Texas fertilizer plant disaster lobbying Congress. Victims' families can't tell you shit about guns, gun control, mental safety or school safety. They have every right to petition Congress on behalf of a cause, of course, but the hell are they to tell lawmakers how to do their jobs.
Pulled out all the stops, fell flat on their face. Punched a rock. As I said from the beginning, don't pick a fight with the champ. We don't have to do jack shit and we'll be just fine, politically. Do you know how I know? Because Heidi Heitkamp voted against it. So did Begich (AK), Pryor, and Baucus. And who is Gabby Giffords running radio ads against? Mitch McConnell and Kelly Ayotte. If they really thought they could change the politics of this issue, they'd run ads against the Democrats first. And they wouldn't stop at Ayotte. By 2016, the politics will change slightly, and perhaps they'll have the resources to confront Sens. Portman (OH), Johnson (WI), and Rubio (FL) but Bloomberg has more than enough "resources" and I'll be the first here when he deploys them in a primary against the Democrat turncoats and traitors. I wouldn't hold your breath.
Ain't nothin' wrong with the status quo...

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Posted - Apr 25 2013 : 1:34AM
AKA crooks and Communists. I've seen that game before. It didn't end well for the guys who played it.

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Posted - Apr 25 2013 : 2:08AM
Unlike the Republicans, then Dems don't need a token, not ready for prime time Latino face like Rubio. Castro has a bright political future. In the future.
Speaking of futures, Cody clearly doesn't have one as a Republican strategist. In 2004 Bush won the election due in large part to the opposition to gay marriage. Eight years later and now moving forward that will lose you elections. Fanatical support of guns is now moving into that same area. I hope ADT is still here in 10 years so that Cody can come back and read his posts and see how blind he was on this.

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Posted - Apr 25 2013 : 2:12AM
Doubt it.
EDIT: At least not yet. Certainly not now. Not in 2014. I think it's a concern for Democratic hopefuls in 2016, and they've finally landed in a place where at best you can say it won't cost them the election. When the millennial make up a larger part of the electorate, or when the Supreme Court settles it, the shift will have occurred and the final fight of the Civil Rights movement, though it's not a damned civil right, will have finally come to an end. But not yet. And politics is much better practiced in the immediate future, not the distant.
Edited by - Cody McLarge on 4/25/2013 2:19:23 AM
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Gay marriage didn't have squat to do with Bush winning in 2004. Bush won because Kerry had the personality and empathy of a turd shat on your porch.

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Posted - Apr 26 2013 : 4:42AM
Seriously no one seem to know how the fuck to fix this silly mess.
Right? Left?
Nazis?
If anything that last is my concern, that people turn to say the Tea party because they're 'ill-educated' but pissed off...
Politicans are corrupt assholes I'm sure, but I also understand that it's a filthy GAME.
So what can we all hope for?
In some book by Hunter S. Thompson I read that 'Young dogs also get old', to me meaning that it's virtually impossible to change the system from the inside.
Revolution. It's the only way. But focused. Whenever is simply just because people are pissed off, this won't work - a strong agenda is necessary, every one of those protestors must know how to recite the exact goal.
Know this is scary, that the individual is set aside. But well, capitalism is such a strong force, making deals, that the underdogs can't afford fighting among themselves.
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Edited by - rlankford on 4/30/2013 10:07:27 AM

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Posted - Apr 30 2013 : 12:43PM
Just about to post that stuff. Well, what do you know. Maybe the politics are changing as we speak. It's something to keep an eye on.
EDIT: Chuck Todd was pretty quick to toss some water on those polls
Neither do I, not yet.
Edited by - Cody McLarge on 4/30/2013 2:45:48 PM

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NRA is now raising the issue of guns in regard to the Boston bombing, asking if you were in Boston with a terrorist on the loose, wouldn't you want a gun in your house?
First of all, I think the only person who did get killed was a police officer, and I assume he was armed.
Secondly, I think pretty much anyone who is inclined answer their question "yes" already has a gun in their house.
But my real question if we are dragging Boston into the gun debate, is, if the two Boston bombers had been armed with semi-automatics, how many more people might they have killed? Way, way more than three.

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Zombie target, available at the NRA convention
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Posted - May 7 2013 : 12:21AM
^I just showed that to my husband, and he said, "That's just who they are... what a sad existence."

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I may be drunk at the moment but I haven't forgot Cody: poll numbers in the toilet for the GOPers that voted against background checks. Not just Repugs but a few asshole Dems that also voted against it. Those fuckheads need to be thrown outta office and they just might come next election.

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Like I said, things might be changing. I actually think Hagan and Landrieu saved themselves. Pryor and Begich probably don't care, and their numbers didn't really go down all that much. I doubt it will cost any Democrats any seats, and that is the best way to frame their political status - at least, gun control/gay marriage won't cost them the election. Obamacare is another story, however.
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Posted - May 8 2013 : 1:35AM
whats wrong with background checks again?

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Posted - May 8 2013 : 10:29AM
Nothing. Republicans and the NRA supported them.
But now they oppose anything that Obama favors.
Plus, the NRA has gone with a strategy of escalation, like nuclear arms proliferation. Cranking up fear and paranoia, making sure everybody has guns, then the guns and ammo you have are just not enough, you need more. Nothing can get in the way of the gravy train.
 
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Posted - May 21 2013 : 3:30AM
I have something to offer regarding the Oklahoma Tornadoes that is inappropriate for the actual thread.

 
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[link inactive:500 Server error]BTW, let's not forgot ALL the senators who voted against Federal Aid for NY and NJ:
This list of course, not only includes Coburn and Inhofe, but also World Class Hypocrites John Cornyn and Roy Blunt:

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Posted - May 21 2013 : 3:44AM
SG, thank you for reminding me why I loathe politicians: every asshole that voted against disaster relief needs to be thrown out of office, period.
Edited by - Asmodeus on 5/21/2013 9:48:39 PM
 
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Posted - May 21 2013 : 3:48AM
Coburn released a statement saying any aid to Oklahoma would have to have matching offsets elsewhere in the federal budgets in the form of cutbacks.

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Posted - May 21 2013 : 4:58AM
Let's see how long before Rush, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity or Michelle Malkin blames Obama for the tornado. The Fox Watch is on...
Edited by - Asmodeus on 5/21/2013 5:03:36 AM

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Posted - May 21 2013 : 6:18AM
As noted, Sen. Tom Coburn is being consistent and demanding that all emergency relief for Oklahoma be offset.
 
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Posted - May 21 2013 : 11:39AM
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Big talk, which I believe has only started since
But beyond that there are three points:
1) Yes, it's very courageous of him to demand to cut programs to kids and seniors in the Northeast and elsewhere for disaster aid for his state. Let's give him a medal!
2) After California and (ahem) Texas, As of
3) What certain people don't seem to understand is that, for the most part, federal disaster aid is its own offset. Debris removal companies, construction workers, architects, tool makers, retail stores..they all benefit from the reconstruction that comes after a disaster.
4) Oklahoma is one of the reddest states out there. A Democratic presidential candidate hasn't won a single county in the state since 2000. Why don't they get their churches or Chesapeake Energy to rebuild since the Federal Government is so absolutely evil???
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Posted - May 21 2013 : 12:13PM
they will, its call HAARP

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I'm obviously o.k. with all this. Not a second's thought more.

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Posted - May 21 2013 : 9:30PM
I'm just wondering who he's planning to take it from. Sandy victims, maybe?
 
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Posted - May 21 2013 : 11:48PM
Well there's a shocker!
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all those people on public assistance and when obamacare is repealed all that saved money also

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Posted - May 22 2013 : 1:35AM
I've heard Alex Jones is saying the Oklahoma tornado was another false flag operation by Obama to divert attention from the IRS scandal. We'll see how long before Fox News takes the bait.
 
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Posted - May 22 2013 : 10:17AM
^ I heard that the hurricane was due to God punishing Oklahoma for electing senators that oppose disaster relief (e.g. hurricane Sandy)

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Bold states were won by Mitt Romney in 2012 Presidentail Election
0.61 - New Jersey
0.65 - Nevada
0.69 - Connecticut
0.71 - New Hampshire
0.72 - Minnesota
0.75 - Illinois
0.77 - Delaware
0.78 - California
0.79 - New York
0.81 - Colorado
0.82 - Massachusetts
0.86 - Wisconsin
0.88 - Washington
0.92 - Michigan
0.94 - Texas
0.97 - Florida
0.98 - Oregon
1.00 - Rhode Island
1.01 - Georgia
1.05 - Indiana
1.05 - Ohio
1.07 - Pennsylvania
1.07 - Utah
1.08 - North Carolina
1.08 - Vermont
1.10 - Iowa
1.10 - Nebraska
1.11 - Wyoming
1.12 - Kansas
1.19 - Arizona
1.21 - Idaho
1.27 - Tennessee
1.30 - Maryland
1.32 - Missouri
1.35 - South Carolina
1.36 - Oklahoma
1.41 - Arkansas
1.41 - Maine
1.44 - Hawaii
1.47 - Montana
1.51 - Kentucky
1.51 - Virginia
1.53 - South Dakota
1.66 - Alabama
1.68 - North Dakota
1.76 - West Virginia
1.78 - Louisiana
1.84 - Alaska
2.02 - Mississippi
2.03 - New Mexico
Conservatives are correct. Socialism is alive and well in the United States, and the red states are the big beneficiaries. Romney carried 24 states in 2012 and 23 of them were Welfare States as of the 2007 numbers above. 17 states were Donor States and 16 of them voted for Obama.
I would love to see a change as to how televison news networks put up information when an elected politician is on bashing the Big, Bad, Wasteful Federal Government. You know, the graphic under them. It should read (R) Sen. Tom Coburn - Oklahoma (Welfare State)
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