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oklahoma was a result of the president not saying benghazi was a terrorist attack

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^ [link inactive:404 - Page not found]Someone should do a film about that.
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Alex Jones is a prime-time, bi-partisan whackjob....but he's no less dangerous for that...
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obama didnt salute a marine getting on marine one !!!!! this is a bigger scandal than benghazi
 
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>>SIGH<<
It's like we really are living in two different universes in this country
Watching the news and all MSNBC can concentrate on is the shooting in Georgia.
Nothing about that on Fox: It's all about Christopher Lane, senselessly shot in Oklahoma.
(Note: I don't mind admitting I nearly physically wretched at the news of that. I, and every other Black person were going "Pleasedon'tbeblack,Pleasedon'tbeblack, Pleasedon'tbeblack, Pleasedon't -- GODDAMMITSHIT!!!")
Seriously, sometimes, as my favorite cartoon heroes Milk & Cheese were wont to say, I wish I had a baseball bat the size of Rhode Island so that I could beat the shit out of this stupid planet!
 
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lol
As commander-in-chief, the president can issue an order that the commander-in-chief shall not be rendered a salute unless in uniform, and put a stop to that particular bit of theater.
 
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Two black, one white.

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I don't see why race has anything to do with it. Everyone can agree bored teenagers that just can't wait for the next Grand Theft Auto entry thrill-killing innocents is contemptible.
 
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Sharknado, anyone?
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First, all condolences to the family of Christopher Lane.
I appreciate the sentiment Cody, but in light of everything that's gone in the last month or so, just about everyone else is looking at this through the prism of race. One of these slugs being white is not helpful. It's just horrid all around.

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Posted - Aug 22 2013 : 10:24AM
I saw both of those on msnbc, with about equal time on them, and no real hysteria around them. I wasn't watching the day the school shooting happened, and I have heard almost nothing about it. It might be the reason why I heard just little snippets about both. I want to hear about the lady who talked the guy down.
On the Christopher Lane thing, the race angle is interesting (only in the public reaction, not in the actual incident, unless there's something I don't know), but without a miscarriage of justice, it has nothing to do with anything. If people who shoot someone are then arrested and carted away, that's to be expected, it's the ideal outcome. There's not going to be a groundswell of protest of that.
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Admittedly I only saw the prime-time coverage.

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Wow...
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And 50% or so of Republicans think that Obama was, or might have been, born in Kenya.
Disinformation seems to be easier to spread than education.

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Interesting. I didn't know the timeline as to when the racial identities of Zimmerman and Trayvon were made public.
 
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^ Those pundits might want to take a look at the mug shots - two blacks, one white. Granted, the white guy was only charged as an accessory, but it is difficult to argue the shooters were motivated by race when they turn to a white guy for help in covering it up.
Granted, asking rabid pundits of any stripe to stick to the facts is like asking water to flow uphill, but that's no excuse for being stupid.

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Posted - Aug 22 2013 : 2:41PM
Okay, I just finally heard about the school incident. I had a vague notion that the principal had talked the guy down, and my husband thought it was a 911 operator that talked him down, so neither of us had a CLUE.
Msnbc is playing the newly released 911 tape, and the clip they just played is amazing and inspirational.

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Posted - Aug 22 2013 : 3:38PM
So, I had to run off and listen to the rest of it.
A school clerk talked the guy down. Apparently he had fired some shots, and I haven't heard how the hell she approached him and got him to stop, put down his weapons, and allow her to contact authorities. Then she acted as a go-between, and had him empty his pockets and lay on the floor with his hands behind his back and wait for the police. The weirdest thing was after she gave the go-ahead for the police to come in, they took FOREVER to actually come in. It's their job to be in there dealing with the guy, and really, she just had to keep at it herself for some time.
I like Clint van Zandt, FBI profiler with hostage negotiation skills. He was on the show as a guest, and said he couldn't have done it better than she did. With no training, but a spectacular temperament for this, she instinctively did all the things that trained negotiators do -- things like identifying with the aggressor and soothing him, minimizing what he's done, acting as a go-between, working out a surrenfder protocol, and offering the guy a brighter future.
As for the shooter, he was telling her that he was mentally unstable, off his meds, and that he should have checked into the mental hospital instead of doing this.
Fascinating.

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^It really is.

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I was just thinking that this extraordinary woman will never in her life have to wonder if she's made a difference in the world.

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Cody wrote:
You've been carrying my remark around since last December?!!

 
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#6. Terrorism Totally Works!
#5. Apparently Anything Can Be Called "Terrorism"
#4. It's Actually Really Hard to Pull Off a Large-Scale Terror Attack
#3. The Era of Awesome "Good vs. Evil" Wars Is Over
#2. Patriotism Got Really Weird at Some Point
#1. Sometimes the Alarmist Tinfoil Hat Crowd Is Right

 
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I know this may not be the precisely right time to bring attention to this, but oh well. I can't say enough about this detailed, resource-rich examination of the politics and economics of building Freedom Tower. And he's not nearly finished yet. It takes a kind of courage to do a story like this, because it is a sensitive subject and Raab has certainly offended some people and stepped on some toes. Especially in NYC.
It is long so I recommend checking it out when you have a bit of time to spare.
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NY State's gun control zealots tried to ban the AR-15 by outlawing certain cosmetic features.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I support the entire 2nd Amendment, not just the part that is convenient for gun nuts. Gun owners should be required to join the National Guard or a similar reserve public service.
 
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to shoot that.
 
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I am failing to make the connection on why gun owners should be required to join the National Guard or a similar reserve public service. From my breakdown of that statement, A well regulated Militia is necessary so people have the right to keep and bear arms. No where does it state that they have to be part of a militia. And on top of that, the National Guard is a state controlled militia. No where does it state that the militia group must be state controlled.
 
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No longer hosts, but forever Olympic cities, those left behind must figure out what to do next. Theoretically, this is something they should have been planning for all along, but as Jon Pack and Gary Hustwit have discovered, that isn’t always the case. Intrigued by the high price tag on the Beijing Olympics — before Sochi, $41 billion sounded like a lot of money — the two began returning to the former Olympic sites, photographing the post-games buildings and people they encountered in Athens, Barcelona, Beijing, Berlin, Helsinki, Mexico City, Moscow, London, Los Angeles, Montreal, Lake Placid, Rome and Sarajevo.
The results of their ongoing exploration, called , are dispiriting. While they found that some cities continue to thrive, others, like Athens, ended up as ghost towns. Others still became scenes of tragedy: The same spot where the 1984 Winter Games were held, for example, would later become the site of over 10,000 deaths during the Siege of Sarajevo less than a decade later.
So what’s next for Sochi? Russia poured $51 billion into revamping the beach town into a world-class ski resort, dwarfing previous games in both cost and scale — although at a terrible environmental price. The casualties of those efforts include rampant water pollution, thousands of displaced residents and an entire ecosystem arguably destroyed. In about five years, Pack and Hustwit said, they plan to go and see what happens for themselves — but they aren’t very optimistic about its prospects.
 
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According to human rights groups, some 3,000 families have already been evicted from their homes in Rio alone. As many as 200,000 people across the country are at risk of the same, according to the Popular Committees for the World Cup and Olympics.
It's not just the evictions, but also where people are being sent to.
The place where Jeane Tomas now lives is called the OITI complex.
Favelas — for all their poverty — are teeming with life. But the OITI complex feels like it's on life support. It's a barren, treeless, apartment compound in a Rio suburb called Campo Grande, miles away from where Tomas lived in Barra de Tijuca.
"Our lives were built around were we lived. The transport is awful here. They talk about this special bus line they built for us out here but it's not the miracle they say it is. Its chaos," she said. "There are days when the air-conditioning works, others when it doesn't. We wait for hours to get out of here."
The housing is new though and the people live there at a relatively low cost. They pay a small condo fee and utilities.
Still, they don't own these homes and they can't rent them to others.
Jeane Tomas complains there are no schools nearby. She still hasn't been able to enroll her child in daycare. There are no jobs close either. She says her husband lost his job because suddenly he was so far away from it.
Tomas works as a maid and she said she suspects the reason so many people are being moved is because its the Rio elites making the decisions.

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"The cost of freedom is always high" was a common bumper sticker for a while. At that time, I thought it was just war propaganda. Now I think it's an oversimplification. The cost of freedom is reliably but not always higher than any sane person is willing to pay.
 
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More guns stuff:
Basically, there's no good answer to the guns issue. I consider myself a good librul, and I can't stand the extremists NRA. Guns don't kill people, but damn they make it SO much easier...
BUT...while I empathize with the bleeding hearts, but support the conservative position.
We can't get rid of the guns in this country. It's impossible. The lobby has real power behind it. Background checks? Yeah, sure, OK, I'm not opposed in principle, but half the time they don't mean shit. Elliot Rodgers, the Newton killer, the Virginia Tech killer...NONE of these guys has anything in their background that prevents them from getting guns.


Highway crashes create an enormous economic toll on the lives of Americans, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says in a new study. The annual price tag for those crashes: $871 billion in economic loss and societal harm in 2010.
The total includes $277 billion in economic costs – nearly $900 for each person living in the USA – and $594 billion in societal harm from the loss of life and the pain and decreased quality of life because of injuries.

NHTSA's study, "The Economic and Society Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2010," focuses on some of the behavioral factors that contributed to that year's 32,999 highway fatalities, 3.9 million injuries and 24 million damaged vehicles. It found that just three driver behaviors, speeding, drunken driving and distracted driving, accounted for 56% of the economic loss to the nation and 62% of the societal harm.

33,000 fatalities in car accidents. Speeding,Drunken driving and texting being the biggest causes.
But we're not going back to horse and buggies. We're not going back to prohibition. We're not going to ban V6 and V8 engines. We can't ban texting while driving. So what are we going to do? We're going to tolerate these deaths and injuries, because there's nothing else we can do.
The same logic applies to guns. The vast number of guns, like cars, do not harm anyone. Many of the criminals getting guns are getting them illegally. So again, the number of measures that can be taken to prevent mass shootings, or criminal homicides is minute. Hate to say it, but its the truth.
The NRA is despicable with: 1) their endless lobbying that promotes gun worship almost as a religion, 2) their shifting the blame to "Hollywood" and "violent video games", and 3) their endless propaganda of fear among their core audience of Whites that the Black Communist President is going to send Jay-Z, Kanye, and Oprah Winfrey, backed up by their jackbooted army to come to your home and take your guns -- and your daughters!
BUT... in their root reasoning, they're not wrong. It's a painful thing to admit that people who are perfect assholes are right about something, but in this case it's something liberals will have to learn to do.
 
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OK, I was all set to give some faint praise to the NRA for, [link inactive:404 - Page not found]seemingly, finding a line it didn't want to cross coming right after I posted the above comments...
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^ Makes you wonder who the NRA itself is answering to.
Is a common sense commentary (re: bringing long-guns into restaurants) that controversial?
People can't agree on even this?
This has become more about creating and maintaining a divided country, than having anything to do with protecting gun rights.
Honestly, even I am shocked at how fast the devolution of our society is progressing.
Any semblance of the United States those of us over 50 knew and grew up with will be utterly gone within the next 20 years.
And, an uninformed, uneducated, uninvolved population won't even know what us crazy old people are talking about (as if they could care, anyway).
 
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Well, it's official. School shootings are so ho-hum that we don't even start a thread or anything.
Goldstein is right. The idea of moving back to the U.S. is scary.

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22. Amber Rayne's asshole is a sovereign nation. She can grant citizenship for as long as a man can stay hard in her.
 
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Notice there are a # of cold countries at the top of the list. This won't due for American retirees. They like to sit by the pool, broil, and complain about their aches and pain. I spend a few weeks each year in their company. Absolutely, no desire to ever see another snowflake during their golden years. Have to dodge a couple bullets, waste half their income on medical bills, it's better than slipping on the ice. Imagine spending 65 years in NY and then retiring to Finland. OY!

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Posted - Apr 27 2015 : 7:50PM
Another school shooting. [link inactive:500 Server error]Another instance of a bad guy with a gun STOPPED by a good guy WITHOUT a gun. Bad student unhurt. Nobody hurt. The school shootings with no deaths get nearly zero attention.
History teacher Brady Olson heard two shots, ran toward them, and tackled the shooter.
 
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So glad I have a British passport....
 
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I'm sick of gun violence, but more sick of lack of public's response.
Spend trillions, thousands of lives, and laws/actions violating Constitution in name of terrorism, yet a guy walks into a movie theater and kills 12 people, a hundred school shootings since Sandy Hook. nothing.
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^ Follow the money.

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I'm really sick of people pulling out the solution "if everyone was armed" (or many more people were armed), we wouldn't have these problems.
It's ridiculous.
This argument is horrible and totally invalid, because proponents have this selective arming people from the general public who are responsible with guns and understand shooting in tactical environments.
Look at a general cross section of US and arming them with firearms. Go downtown and randomly (truly random) select a large sample. You really think arming these people will make the US safer? Okay, you'll get some responsible and users who safely use them (and a much smaller number with tactically skills), but you'll get a hell of a lot who don't use them and cause more danger. Like you'll get people who commit crazy road-rage, people who forget kids and dogs in cars in hot summer days, people who burn houses down cause they want to open fry a turkey (dispute numerous warnings and stories), people who like to drink a lot, and of course those who had firearm safety training, but continue to improperly/unsafely handle guns. Also, there's emotional altercations all the time, you think there's won't be any fatal shootings that escalated by adding guns not normally in the picture? Have you seen Russian road rage videos of people brandishing guns from cars to other cars/drivers?
What really opened my eyes, was when I went back to a military base for a open public showing. They had a table with automatic weapons (M4, SAW) with soldiers standing behind the table in charge. These guns had no magazines loaded and empty chambers (I'm guessing they pulled the firing pins too). I brought my friend there and showed him both the M4 and SAW. While we were standing in this area, people came up and to pictures of relatives or friends posing with the weapons. The soldiers in charge were so frustrated at telling everyone to stop pointing the weapons at each other (e.g., people taking pictures of them) and dry firing the weapons at each other, it was ridiculous. Adults, teenagers, kids were all doing this, even military personnel were doing this. I could see the soldiers frustrations having to endure these totally ignorant (even to those who knew rules to firearms but weren't disciplined) people, who did no safety check, zero/poor muzzle discipline, and zero/poor trigger discipline (so many people pulling triggers pretending to shoot at friends/family).
You want to arm the public more?
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From the Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooting Thread:
No.
It's not terrorism when White Males do it. This suspect was only reacting to the decades of rampant leftist overreach by the government.
Of course, if the clinic had had a couple of armed guards this never would have happened. The blame for this incident lies squarely on Colorado liberals and their gun restrictions.

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Posted - Nov 28 2015 : 8:34AM
The politicians refusal to address the lack of public run mental health facilities in this country is pathetic.We can use tax money to build mega stadiums for billionaire owners so they don't move and shut down mental health facilities for lack of money.How many mass shootings are tied to mental health issues.I am sure politicians today will get their air time on CNN how they are appalled by this and stand with Planned Parenthood.
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