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Do you like the way the laws are being decided by the NRA rather than by the Constitution, the voters, or common sense?
 
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Well, there are some difficulties.
One is that the Constitution, the voters, and common sense are themselves three distinct, unrelated things.
Another is that the Second Amendment is excruciatingly brief and declaratory. It can't be "read out" of the Constitution; it can only be palliated by interpretation: (1) All they had were muskets back then; (2) Don't forget, "A well regulated militia . . ."; and (3) "States' Rights" arguments for state and local regulation. I'm not a Second Amendment scholar, but there aren't a shit-ton of other arguments available. That being the case, and given the existing legal precedents about the breadth of the Second Amendment, the only way to really deal with the problem is through a constitutional amendment of the Second Amendment. Which would require broad and sustained cultural agreement. Then we're back to the discontinuity between "voters" and "common sense".
And if we couldn't even get the Equal Rights Amendment passed (for crissakes!), the chances for an amendment of the Second Amendment are beyond bleak.
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Edited by - bob on 10/7/2017 2:04:33 AM

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The real reason our great elected officials haven't the balls to pass any meaningful legislation: only 19% of gun owners are supporters/members of NRA which in no way translates into the money they (NRA) are able to offer in the way of bribes, ahem, "campaign contributions". So where is the real ,money coming from? The answer is not only gun manufacturers but the larger parent conglomerates or holding companies of gun makers, ammunition manufacturers, etc. from which a healthy stream of returns in the form of dividends and stock sales goes to the investors.
So who are those investors? Surprisingly some of the biggest ones are the endowments of some major universities and health care companies (health insurance companies) . When and if this information is revealed those institutions feign astoundment that their money was ever invested in such enterprises. While a schmuck like any of us who have peanuts to invest might ne able to make such an argument the portfolio managers whose jobs rely on their employers making money of course have to know.
The public face of the stereotypical gun rights advocate is in no way sufficient, either financially or in terms of the ballot to keep the congress high on their gravy train. They do however serve as lightning rods for both congress as well as those who are really rolling the money. It's so convenient for the former to point to them as their loyal constituents and the latter to smugly sit and just let the gun rights people deflect any scrutiny from them. Why don't we hear of public funding of officials or programs that propose or advance responsible legislation? Good question... When the argument is made that the "gun culture" is too deeply interwoven in the American culture what truly is woven deeply into our culture is the acceptance of greed to the extent that despite the public positions of social justice, equality, etc. truly money rules. When it comes down to the bottom line many of those institutions we support to do "good" things are wiling to truly kill for it.
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Sure, why not? I mean,


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Posted - Nov 14 2017 : 11:33AM
^^
I'll be perfectly honest, I'm not sure why I am supposed to be upset by this.

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Posted - Nov 14 2017 : 12:27PM
Because now somebody with a hotel room and guns with bump stocks can also take along a bunch of babies and strap them each into a gun and bump stock so they can help him slaughter people.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 11:36AM
So, it's January 24th, and as of yesterday, we've had eleven schools shootings this year. We aren't even hearing about them on the news anymore.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:07PM
We are here, maybe you should find a better news channel
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:14PM
Obviously they get mentioned -- but they no longer ruminate on the footage, interviews, the investigation into the shooter, etc. It's become routine for people to shoot up schools, and people in general are not as interested anymore. I think there are a lot of people who just don't want to hear about it.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:18PM
In a way, it might be sort of a good thing. You can't get famous shooting up a school, so don't bother. Nobody is going to memorize 11 new shooter names every 3 weeks, about 15 names a month, 180 new names a year, just for school shootings. You really will be just an anonymous idiot. They'll move on to the next school shooting before they even find out who you are.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:18PM
These things are being covered by our local ABC affiliate.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:29PM
We don't have a local. We're rural, and can't get any signals from any channels with any antennae. We also don't get cell service here, so we don't have a cell phone. Visitors and house guests drive about a block away to make a quick phone call, or about a mile away if they don't want the call to be dropped within a minute or two.
We had directv, which can't offer you network news unless your 'local' news channel gives permission in your area. None of the networks will permit it. We have sling now, and it's the same thing. We don't get any local or national network news because the 'local' network (a five hour drive from here), will not allow it. (It's evidently some sort of legal protection for the local networks that you must watch the local channel so they can claim more viewers in the area who don't have access to national networks, and hence they can price their tv ads higher. Never mind that some of us 'viewers' in their area can't possibly view the commercials).
No ABC or CBS is available to us in any form. NBC has a sling channel for delayed streaming only -- for example SNL streaming is loaded two days after the episode airs. So they don't load news.
So. Thanks for the suggestion to watch network news, but it's not a choice that we have.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:46PM
I'm sorry that the news options in your area is poor, I live in a high-density urban environment and I can only speak for that one channel as it is the one we watch here for our local news. I couldn't begin to state based on that what coverage is like anywhere else. I suspect you will find, if you polled Americans, areas like mine with good coverage and areas like yours with poor coverage. This in no way says that school shootings aren't being covered though, it just means certain news outlets are opting to not cover them. This is nothing new, news outlets opt not to cover events all the time. Take a quick look at how much news is missing from FOX News for instance, they opt not to cover a lot of news. This is an unfortunate situation since that means that not all Americans are aware of what is going on and therefore at a disadvantage when making decisions, especially ones at the polls, but there is no real solution. If one forces the news to carry certain events then we have turned the news into state run news which means that what we are informed about is decided by the government, which is an even worse scenario.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 1:54PM
^ Name me a few stories Fox News chose not to run.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:03PM
. Feel free to Google yourself more since there are pieces all over the internet about news that was ignored by FOX News.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:20PM
^ Well, that was three months ago and I'm having trouble finding links quickly. But I can tell you I watched, they covered it, and they called the races. What they didn't do was stay on after the races were called, about 9:00 p.m. and drone on about the impacts and how this was a new blue wave. Those races were all expected to go Dem, and they did. So the news was who won, which is what was covered, the follow up was all editorial. Yes, many sites posted Fox didn't cover it, but I watched it, they did. BTW, I watch elections on my computer so I can also have on the Real Clear Politics poll results. I think RCP is a good source and I am curious what you and others think of them.
Edited by - tripper on 1/24/2018 2:29:19 PM
 
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I like Real Clear Politics, putting up all the polls allows one to see if one seems oddly skewed versus other polls or if it is generally inline with the rest. I believe I usually use them in conjunction with the local news on election nights because I believe they are the site that also gives live results of the Libertarian candidates that many other sources skip.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:36PM
Another site I like is fivethirtyeight for political coverage. Personally I'm also taken with Reason but I suspect I may be in the minority here on that site.
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:50PM
I was watching RCP during the 2016 presidential election. I don't remember the exact time, but it was about 1:00 am when VA flipped. RCP had that going to Trump, but then it flipped. As it turned all the results from the precincts close to DC came in late and went Clinton. That flipped the whole state because of the high population of that region. I figured it was over because I didn't see Trump winning PA, RCP started the night with Clinton 7 points ahead in PA. But it gradually was whittled away and RCP called PA for Trump at 2:10 a.m. Wednesday morning. I remember that time well. It was the same time Podesta went out to tell Clinton's followers to go home because they won't have results that night. LOL.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:54PM
^^ Thanks for that, Ill take a look at fivethirtyeight, that's news to me. One you might like to look at, that I was told about recently, is One America News Network. Do you have an opinion on them yet?

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 2:54PM
Sorry double post.
Edited by - tripper on 1/24/2018 2:55:49 PM
 
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I'm honestly not familiar with One America News Network; I will have to check them out.

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The word on One America News Network is they are concervative, without the FOX slant. I'll have to read them for a while before I can form a solid opinion. And I will admit, when you look at FoxNews you have to be educated, read between the lines, and sometimes look for other sources. I looked at fivethirtyeight, and I'll say the same thing I said about One America, it may take some time before I render an opinion on them. I looked at the Reason web site, and I think I am going to like that, I lean Libertarian also. One more I found recently, where I find a lot of military news I do not see other places is americanmilitarynews.com. I'm pulling them up about twice a week now. I like the stories I don't see other places, but they don't come up with a lot of new stuff every day.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 3:56PM
I have a bunch of news channels available, but I watch msnbc and cnn. My many other choices include HLN (which I think is tabloid-y courtroom stuff last time I looked), cheddar (?), newsy (which seems like some sort of dumbed-down twitchy teen Conjunction Junction sort of news for people with ADHD or something), and RT. Yeah. We get RT.
There are about a dozen news channels, but they quite rightly didn't include fox as a news channel. For whatever reason.

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Probably the most unintentionally humorous thing I've read here.[lol]

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 4:32PM
^ Just like you to take a quote out of context.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 4:40PM
Now it's in context. The meaning hasn't changed. Fox News if fine for a brain dead idiot who thrives off of a steady flow of bullshit and propaganda. People who want real news ignore Fox. It was horrible before, but now with Trump in office, it's downright sickening.
I guess it's fine for you. As for me, I prefer not to believe lies. Fox News is shit. Actually Fox News is worse than shit, because at least we can turn shit into fertilizer, so it does contribute to the betterment of society. Fox News is poison, and the only thing it kills is reason.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 5:37PM
Yep, now it's in context. Thanks.
 
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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 5:44PM
I don't feel this is right. Viewers csn opt to watch FOX News or not but this practice means that any provider can decide what to label news.. what of Comcast opts to only include FOX News in their news channel listing? Is that just as okay?

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 6:34PM
Yep, quite correct. Freedom of information is essential in a Democracy. The problem is Pieps and her spouse chose to move to a rural area. It can have huge benefits which Pieps is enjoying, but it also has it's down side. It's all about personal choices.

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Posted - Jan 24 2018 : 8:14PM
I hardly think, internet and all, that there's a shortage of information here.

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Posted - Jan 25 2018 : 6:26PM
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your post where you said you don't see any coverage of the school shootings and the other post where you said you can't get the major networks. My bad.
Edited by - tripper on 1/25/2018 6:28:46 PM

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Posted - Jan 25 2018 : 6:57PM
Well, if you and any one other person on this board can name four of the eleven school shootings this month (maybe there's been another?), without looking it up anywhere or using one of your lifelines, I'll eat my hat.
 
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Posted - Jan 26 2018 : 10:02AM
I have no idea what "conservative without Fox slant" means, but I have watched OAN.
Simply put, they make Fox look like Stephen Colbert.
 
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Excerpts from the article:

The New York attorney general's office has launched an investigation into the National Rifle Association.

"As part of this investigation, the Attorney General has issued subpoenas," a spokesperson for New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement to CNN. "We will not have further comment at this time."

The spokesperson would not confirm what the investigation was regarding.

However, the gun-safety group, Everytown for Gun Safety, said it filed a complaint about the NRA's tax-exempt status with the IRS.

The group said it was prompted by a recent report by The Trace, in conjunction with the New Yorker, alleging that a small group of executives, contractors and vendors affiliated with the NRA "have extracted hundreds of millions of dollars from non-profit's budget."

 
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Excerpts from the article:

Two high school students shot and killed a classmate and injured eight others at a charter school in a Colorado community that just weeks ago marked the 20th anniversary of one of the nation's worst school shootings.

That Tuesday afternoon's attack at STEM School Highlands Ranch happened just miles from Columbine High School was sure to raise questions about whether it was inspired by the 1999 massacre, but the answer was not immediately clear.

 
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Yes, that comic is from 2015.

As is this tweet:



 
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^What the everloving fuck is the matter with these people? (rhetorical question, as I'm sure you don't have time to make a list, and I don't have the time to read such a list ) I understand the head of the Ohio GOP has already asked for this woman's resignation, which is actually pretty surprising.


In other GOP news...

Mitch and his team probably think this is funny. It's disgusting, especially because of the timing.

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