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This is the official anti-Trump WN&N thread, since that was why it was originally created. This thread is for anti-Trump views and conversation. Please don't sabotage it by filling the thread with useless posts designed to counter-act the thread.
As always, be respectful of your fellow members here with your responses. People of different political ideologies can have substantive conversations without the need of insults. If you need, the smartbuydisc.ru etiquette is available here to review.
(Note: The creation of this thread doesn't necessarily reflect any endorsement or lack of endorsement of Trump.)
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Because this is our world now.

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Yes, there's a million DJT Threads. OK. But some -- like the Inauguration one -- will fade; Meanwhile, his sheer, overwhelming unpopularity means that we are going to see a movement perhaps unlike anything since Vietnam. What is going to happen when its summer? Memorial Day, Fourth of July....
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Masha Gessen on Trump:
 
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Noticing the 'instant' crowd of protesters that sprung up after Trump's immigration ban yesterday, I realized how handy it is to be ready for a pop-up event.
It would be useful to keep a go-bag with a water bottle and pretzels and cold-weather gear and personal stuff, and also a blank sign and sharpies. A phone tree. People willing to ride-share. Go!
 
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This could be a new market. Instant protest kits that are sold at convenience stores. Water, snacks, pull over rain gear, a blank sign with holder, and sharpie.
 
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Good article from Bleacher Report.
MLB and NFL players probably won't say much against Trump. (Most, except the likes of Tom Brady, probably won't say much FOR him either) But the NBA is a different breed, and not just the players:

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Bob's link from the other thread:
We cannot sit around until April 15th.
Get off your couch. Find someplace and be there today. If there's nothing near you, email your congressional representative and senators. You do not have something better lined up for today. You don't have something more important to do this week.
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There are things you can do today, no matter where you are. Support honest media. Thank your senator. Take donuts to protesters. Register voters. Tip the scales as hard as you can. No bystanders.

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You know how if you search completed listing of anything--depression glass, playing cards--pretty much anything, most of it hasn't sold? Pussyhats SELL. Right now, if it's knitted or crocheted, and pink(-ish), it doesn't matter whether it's $12 or $30, it's sold. If it's a folded piece of fleece, or a hard felt hat, or black or grey, maybe.
 
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They have also gained 140,000 new members this week. Including myself.
I have not always agreed with the ACLU's stances. (take for example, the Child Online Protection Act, which they opposed) I'm sure there are others with similar feelings. But now is no time for past quibbles. They are the organization that has the experience and resources for this time. Not to get overly dramatic*, but Czar Trump is exactly the person they were created to fight. Until at least January 2019, they are going to be the de facto Judicial arm of the Democratic Party in Exile.

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Signs of life from Libertarians. I'll say it again: if Trump was a Democrat, Libertarians would have been hurling themselves from the highest buildings since last spring. However, this is good start.
Reason:
The Libertarian Republic:

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Last night a skeptical friend asked me if I really believed that all this protesting was doing any damned good at all.
I told him I sure did.
(Actually, I was at friend's house today and we had the same discussion).
First, because it gives the protesters an outlet and lets them know they are not alone. They gather strength from it.
Second, it annoys Trump, and his staff has to run around responding to it.
Third, because it emboldens our blue state elected officials that they are well supported by the public and will not be primaried for pushing back hard.
Fourth, because it starts to tip the scales, and in the purple states, the soft-R Republican elected officials begin to feel that they can speak up, and hopefully they will form a coalition.
We've seen the absolutely IMMEDIATE protester response to the Muslim ban have the effect of helping to give the impression of an important and urgent matter, and the response from the courts, Justice Department, and elected officials FOLLOWED.
And now, Trump has canceled a trip this week to Milwaukee, because the protesting there would be an uncomfortable prospect. I don't know what kind of Orwellian explanation they are going to try to paper this over with, but... there ya go. Protesting influences the activities of the president. Kellyanne will come up with something.
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I have written to my senators and rep this week to thank them for their actions (for instance tough questioning of Tom Price, and introducing the Presidential Conflicts of Interest Act of 2017). They're doing a great and energetic job, so if there's nothing to ask for right now, I thank them.
Raul Labrador is on CNN right now lambasting Democrats for keeping the president from doing his job, and he's saying it's going to hurt them. Let them know it is NOT. Forget the hypocrisy of this guy saying the Democrats are obstructing. Let your blue state reps know they are on solid and safe ground, and are representing their constituents when they oppose the agenda.
I don't write them every week (I don't need to be on their tinfoil-hat pest list), and I keep my emails SHORT and to the point.

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The other 'resist' thread is closed, so it will fall off the front page soon. I already made use of this (sent it to relatives who will be in NYC next week).
So I'm reposting Bob's links from New York Magazine:


The last one is currently NYC only but is expanding soon.
 
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Robert Reich does a daily on youtube.
He's also on facebook, of course (and I also follow Mother Jones and a bunch of other stuff).
 
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Basically, it's like this: the Second Civil War is now here. No shooting, (yet) but it's here.

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Sure, but what is it actually doing? In other words, what laws are being changed or affected?
I honestly don't think he gives a fuck. I doubt he's losing sleep over it.
If they represent blue states, then that's unlikely to happen regardless.
I don't see that happening. In today's political climate, everyone follows the party line.

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My friend asked if protesting did any good. Making people feel better is a benefit in itself. People were exhilarated.
Then why does he constantly feel he has to claim that he had the biggest vote ever and the biggest election ever? And his staff does spend time responding. Actually, a trip to Milwaukee tomorrow was canceled because of protesters. And they backed off one of his orders already, because of instant huge crowds of protesters and the instant unpopularity of the executive order and its disastrous first impression.
They've tried to play polite for years. We are letting them know they can take off the gloves. Congressmen like to know their jobs are secure.
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowsi have announced that they will vote against confirmation of Betsy DeVos.

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RT, I do not know if you are a White Male. But I will say this: many people who say "get over it" or "what is the point of protesting NOW" do seem to be White males, who speak from a vantage point of privilege. If you are African-American like myself or a woman like Pieps, guess what? Our vantage point is a lot different then yours, especially under a Donald Trump. Who now has Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions -- just to name two of the more abhorrent members of his administration -- making policy. The Women's March protests -- which, as we've explained took place all over the country -- are to show that even though he won the Electoral Vote, there's a good majority of people who will never accept him as a "real" president.
Since Trump's win, there have been reports of hate crimes, assaults and harrassments numbering in the hundreds to almost a thousand. The protests are also for them. They're also for the most vulnerable -- the girl in Texas wearing a hijab, the shy boy in Pittsburgh who would rather dance ballet than play football, the Hispanic teens who's mother cleans office buildings from sunup to sundown in order to provide a better life for them -- this is all for them as well.
If you can't understand that, then I don't know how else to explain it to you.
 
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BTW RT, did you ever mention in any other thread that people -- including DJT -- should have stopped with the Birther stuff after 2008?
Or after Obama's re-election? It certainly didn't do any good to argue his birth place after 2012.
Just curious is all...
 
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Because the other alternative is to stand by idly while the country and what it stands for are torn into shreds. To approve tacitly through silence the harms done to our neighbors. To lie down in the road and die.

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Trump interprets his loss of the popular vote by 3 million votes as a huge win of the popular vote, but with 3 million illegal votes.
He will interpret silence as a mandate, as popular acclaim.
We need to let him know that he has huge opposition. When you have a give-an-inch-take-a-mile opponent, you can't give the inch. If you ever have people lining the streets to cheer for him (and those who oppose him hiding in fear), this country is dead.

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Nope, I'm not white, and I didn't vote for Trump (or Hillary, for that matter). As a member of a minority group that faces that greatest amount of racism and bigotry ever faced by any racial group in this country, I am well aware of the struggles. Alas, my disappointment isn't with Trump. To the contrary, I have a certain level of respect for Trump, in that he was honest enough to say exactly what he was thinking, regardless of how ridiculous it was, and lay out what he was going to do as President, which is what got him elected. So why should I be disappointed in him? He didn't lie, but is instead doing exactly what he said he would do. My disappointment lies with our political system as a whole. We were given two terrible candidates from which to choose, and because one of those terrible candidates beat out the other terrible candidate, people are now angry? That's foolishness.
Yes, I am indeed one of those people who asks, "What is the point of protesting NOW?" Where were all these mass protests when Trump was making a mockery of the debates? Where were all these protests when he started winning all those state primaries and caucuses? Where were all the protests when he was nominated? Oh right, Democrats and liberals didn't feel the need to protest then because they were all too busy laughing and being amused, and thinking that it was impossible for him to win because their candidate was supposedly so much better. But when he did win, as I predicted he would, everyone suddenly decides to protest, despite that fact that protesting would not change the outcome once the election was over. Basically, it just comes off as too little, too late, and quite honestly, a bunch of people pissed off that their candidate lost. Instead of protesting now, why was no one protesting before that we have a real election with real candidates? My disgust didn't happen on the day Trump won. My disgust happened way before Election Day, as I knew this would probably happen. So the way I see it, if we didn't demand a decent presidential candidate before, then what are people complaining for now? We did this to ourselves.
It doesn't matter whether or not you accept him. A lot of people didn't accept Obama, or GWB, or any POTUS we can mention. That doesn't change the fact that he is still the President. And personally, it really doesn't matter to me who sits in the White House. My opinion is that the office of the Presidency became a sham a long time ago.

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Well, that bit brought me to a screeching halt.
 
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Forget it Pieps, it's Realtip.
Real mass protests can have an effect one need only look at history to confirm that.

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Well, at least not about what he planned to do as President.
Yes, let's look at the history of mass protests which have been successful. Historically, the most significant protests were all aimed to address specific laws, such voting rights laws, discrimination laws, military draft laws, etc., in order to change them. They were not aimed at a particular politician, and it wasn't just a bunch of people pissed off because they didn't like the President. They were protesting actual laws, and therefore changing actual laws. These protests happening now, in contrast, are not addressing any particular laws, but just come off as circuses with people shouting about their own personal agendas. How truly effective are protests that only vent vexation, but don't outline a course of redressing the cause of that vexation? In other words, as I asked before, exactly what laws are these protests seeking to change? Are they truly trying to change anything that can realistically be changed, or is it just a way for anti-Trump movement to have its occasional collective orgasm? If the purpose of a protest is just to vent, but not actually change anything, then it is indeed ineffective.

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We don't care about any of what you just said.
Things have already been scaled back in response to protests.
 
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Really now? Interesting.

I am with you there for the most part. I think I said elsewhere that people who are now "disillusioned" and regret voting for Trump can cry all they want. He showed his ass early on. But he did lie about certain things like "having a plan for ISIS" and also about "bringing the factory jobs back"which is something that can't be done with giving massive tax breaks to CEOs.

Again, 2018...2020...

Come Sunday night, there's going to be a football game. There's going to be a winner and a loser between Atlanta and New England. (there will not be a tie. A Super Bowl can't end like that.) A LOT of people will be disappointed if New England wins. But most rational people will agree that throughout this NFL season, the rules and regulations were followed and the score boards rightly determined the winner of each of the 512 games played.
There is a system at work. That system was followed. Yes, "the people" chose Trump. "Other people" chose Clinton. On the Republican side there were 17 to choose from. There were five on the Democrat side. There were independent candidates.
This is the system. It worked. Perhaps it should be fine tuned so that the popular vote winner gets in. Perhaps it should be fine-tuned so that Nazis don't get in. But the system worked. There's always going to be a winner and a loser in these things. It's not a parliamentary structure.
That's why I argue that the time is now for an AT&T style break up of the country.
It doesn't matter whether or not you accept him. A lot of people didn't accept Obama, or GWB, or any POTUS we can mention. That doesn't change the fact that he is still the President. And personally, it really doesn't matter to me who sits in the White House. My opinion is that the office of the Presidency became a sham a long time ago.
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OK, you're kind of contradicting yourself here. In one spot you complain "these candidates are awful" and "we did this to ourselves" and then you admit that everybody hates the other's candidate and has in just about every single election we've held, and then you claim "ah, I don't care anyway". I mean, which is it? (You kinda hit on "Every Political Argument That's Ever Been Held in a Bar" in one fell swoop there).

Also, I see you excised my part about how the resistance is, in part, for those who are young or vulnerable or voiceless. Did you not see that part, or did that not make any sense to you? I mean, you claim to be cognizant of "the struggles" but your comments never seem to demonstrate that.

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Of course not. Your side always has to be right. And that's exactly part of the reason that Trump won.
I didn't say that I predicted it on ADT. It is true that I've been absent on here for a while. People do have lives outside of this smartbuydisc.ru.
Resistance to what? Protesting against a President you don't like has nothing to do with being vulnerable or voiceless. It's just the "cool" thing to do right now.

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Nope. I don't care about what you said because it's wrong. For instance this bit:
The big protests last weekend were about the Muslim ban.
Nope. That's not the motivation. A lot of us here locally didn't know anything about it until we saw a flyer a day or two before (a great many of us). We were enthusiastic and anxious to get started, and we didn't know whether anyone else would show up. As is usual with these things, we didn't know if it would make us a target in this red rural area.
 
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Hm. "Your Side" and yet you claim to be a Democrat and a minority?
I didn't say that I predicted it on ADT. It is true that I've been absent on here for a while. People do have lives outside of this smartbuydisc.ru.
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Ah, OK. Generally speaking, it's in poor taste to say "I did / said this" unless you can prove it. Just the other night I was having cocktails with Oprah Winfrey and Thomas Friedman and that very subject came up and they both agreed with me.
Resistance to what? Protesting against a President you don't like has nothing to do with being vulnerable or voiceless.
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It doesn't??!? OK....

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Did I ever say in this thread that I was a Democrat? In any case, even though I didn't say it, I was up until last year. At that point, I switched my party affiliation to Non-Partisan/Independent. So I'm neither Democrat, nor Republican. And to be honest, I was only a Democrat because my family is, and that's what I was raised as. Like mostly everyone else, my political party was a result of my upbringing, until I finally realized that both parties suck.
So unless someone can prove something to you, then it isn't true? That sounds mighty arrogant of you. If you say you had cocktails with Oprah Winfrey and Thomas Friedman, who am I to say that you didn't? I certainly wouldn't care enough to expect you to go out of your way just to prove it to me, for to do so is what is really in poor taste.
 
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This is almost funny. You come into the "take action" thread and argue against taking action. Brilliant!

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^You have missed the point, which is to question what action is being taken. I'm not arguing against taking action. I'm arguing against pointless protests.
 
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Then suggest one or two non-pointless protests or other appropriate actions to address the present threat. Go for broke: Make it three!

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^Can you first identify the "present threat?"
 
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No, but I remember you saying it in the Kim Davis/Marriage Equality thread.
 
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^^
You don't think Nazis in the White House qualifies?

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Let's be honest here. We're not talking about the most open-minded fella. We're talking about a guy that has a problem with various... groups, let's say. His posting history over the years makes that clear.
So if you have an event like...oh just as an example, the Women's March, and then you have a guy like...let's say realtip, there is gonna be a disconnect.
All this talk about efficacy and 'redressing vexation' is just babble. Gibberish. The real truth is he looks at the TV and he doesn't like who he sees protesting

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Considering that there are only two teams playing, you have a 50/50 shot of predicting the outcome correctly. The same with a presidential election in which there are only two major candidates. Predicting a winner isn't that improbable when you only have two choices. Conversely, if you came here and said that you predicted the winner of the Kentucky Derby every year for the past 15 years, then yeah, that would be questionable and subject your credibility to suspicion. But to say that someone is "grandstanding" over a likely election outcome? That's just silly.
We had an election. Trump won the election, and that's the way it is. As you said yourself, the system worked. If I were to protest Trump just because I don't like him, then how can I complain about others protesting my candidate because they don't like him? Again, I find it very hypocritical how liberals spent eight years complaining about conservatives disrespecting Obama, but then turn around and do the exact same thing when someone they don't like wins the election.
You're probably also one of those people who goes around calling everyone who voted for Trump "bigots" and "misogynists," right? Instead of addressing the actual points of peoples' arguments, you just insult them. How did that work out for your side? Maybe one day, you will finally realize that doesn't work, and is an exercise in ignorance.
 
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This made my day. I'm going to quit while I'm ahead. Back to my martini!

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In that case, let's ignore ^^all that stuff.

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^^^Trump University. Yes, there are a million other really stupid or corrupt things that Trump did, but focus for a second on just this one. There were thousands of fans who paid ridiculous amounts of money for classes that were not much more than gathering places where "instructors" didn't do much more than upsell students, many who had very little assets of their own. These were people who admired Trump and wanted to learn how to emulate his "success", but all Trump did was steal their money. He conned a bunch of people who were his biggest fans. Trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself.
The reason why reasonable, intelligent people will never be able to have a conversation with Trump supporters is because Trump supporters have been presented with mountains of evidence that their Idol is a sociopath who has absolutely no problem shitting all over everyone - even those who admire him and want to emulate what he's done - but yet they still think he's fit to be President. One day nearly every American will feel a deep sense of sadness that he was elected. Those who didn't vote for him already feel this. Those who support him will eventually change their minds - it's just going to take them a little longer to figure this all out.

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Maybe never.
I don't know if I still have the article, or which magazine it was from, but I had an article on the Trump University. One of the couples who was suing Trump said he took something like $35,000 from them, and the course wasn't worth anything at all. But they planned to vote for him.
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