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I have no issue with discussing such content here if you insist but since many of the films that you used as examples, like Femmes and Barbara Broadcast or any films with Traci Lords, are not VS releases it seems a bit OT.
I didn't see any scat in Babyface but from your description it sounds like it was inadvertent during an anal scene? I didn't catch it and I've seen it 2-3 time although only once in the good quality print that VS released.
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We're having our 'Halfway to Black Friday' [aka Memorial Day] sale this weekend. Most everything will be up to 50% off SRP, so if you're looking for a good deal on any of our releases, that will be the time to take advantage!
The website is offline till Friday morning, when the sale begins, but it's vinegarsyndrome.com

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Posted - May 24 2018 : 9:30AM
Mr. Lyons,
Thanks for the information. I found it difficult to shop around because I couldn't put anything in the search! I was figuring it had to do with the sale. Been saving up for a few things so I am absolutely pumped for this. Looking forward to the "mystery" titles if they are porn. Though there are a few mainstream awesome releases that obviously still catch my eye.
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Posted - May 29 2018 : 1:13AM
Got Her Name was Lisa on pre-order.

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Posted - May 29 2018 : 3:35PM
Me too. I skimmed some reviews (though really light as not to ruin any plot), and I am really looking forward to this one.
I liked Corruption and Last House on Dead End Street (though I hope this gets a proper release), and this director has me intrigued. While I wish Vinegar Syndrome would release more porn on bluray, I am happy for what they have put out.
From what I have read, Midnight Heat is just as weird and hopefully prime for release from Vinegar Syndrome one day!
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Received Her Name is Lisa today. Seen it before but looking forward to watching it uncut and in good condition.

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Posted - Jun 9 2018 : 8:05PM
Very bizarre movie. I quite enjoyed it. Very unconventional. Great transfer as usual. I like Samantha Fox a great deal. Decent acting actually.
I can't say the sex is very enticing at all. It is obvious the director has a complete disdain for porn. Matter of fact, it is kind of interesting considering how everything played out. If you think about the statement where you turn to someone for help only to find out that you are in a worse place than you were before. It very much falls in line with how Vintage porn romanticizing (with the edge) has turned into a more clinical kind of "using" where there are so many starlets going through the conveyor belt that any decade has dark edges underneath.
I think that is why this film is even more relevant then when it came out.
 
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The sex and the non-sexual portions were directed by two different people. Richard Mahler directed the non-sexual portions of the film and David Darby shot the sexual portions of the film.
 
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Vinegar Syndrome is putting out a second limited edition volume of five hardcore previously released on DVD films on Blu-ray. So far the announced titles for the release are Baby Rosemary, Corporate Assets, and Dracula Sucks. Baby Rosemary and Dracula Sucks alone are worth a purchase.
Tropic of Desire was just announced as the fourth title on the release.
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KICK ASS. I wish they would have ported over all extras on the first volume (like Tasty not getting a release like the DVD), but I can't seriously complain because the films are what I most care about.
Now case in point. Dracula Sucks is simply awesome getting a port over and I want that really really bad. But I also want both cuts of the film?? I hope they include the R-rated cut too, but I doubt it. Again, if I have to choose I will be happy having hard core in high def.
Eiither way, I will happily support each and every release of this kind. Bulk release is the way to go!
I hope there is more Annette Haven, Shauna Grant, and Taija Rae to name a few. Long live Adult on bluray!
I also am updating this per your edit. Wonderful wonderful. I think sales of the first volume picked up quite a bit over the sale and perhaps have set a standard. They could take this kind of thinking out to 30 volumes and I would be lining up!

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They have stated that this will be the last of the hardcore 5 Films 5 Years releases and as far as the extras, the idea behind the Blu-ray five film releases, as I understand it, wasn't to replace the DVDs but to supplement them.
 
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The Vixens of Kung Fu will round out the second hardcore 5 Films 5 Years Blu-ray set.
 
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I have Baby Rosemary on DVD and it is excellent but I don't think I'll go for a double dip. Vixens and Dracula Sucks are fun too.
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I will, I will always go for the HD upgrade.

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Why would this be the last of them? Kinda weird, just when it seemed to get started. I don't see how something is a supplement when it is less in content then what came before.
Though I applaud the HD, I never understood the sabotaging of the format and then claiming it is a failure.
Most releases in the mainstream world seem to be pitiful upscales, and now the new bulk sets have less content.
The rest of the world seems to be replacing DVD rapid fire, but yet there sits the adult world strangely on the fence. Never understood it, and never will.
For instance, I recently got Flesh and Laces. The release looked amazing, but yet there was a part of me that thought...if only it was in HD and we could see Shauna Grant in her first super mainstream hardcore release...instead of wasted on DVD.
Glad it at least saw a nice looking release regardless.
 
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They are part of a four limited edition release celebrating the fifth year anniversary of Vinegar Syndrome.
I don't understand your suppliment comment at all. A supplement us something that adds to something existing. These releases add a high definition edition to the existing releases. Supplements don't replace the original.
Plain and simple, sales. DVDs sell better for adult still and Blu-rays cost more.
 
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I was bummed when the Sex World blu limited edition sold out, so I bought the DVD, then VS brought back the blu!
I always prefer blu but if I have a good DVD I rarely feel the need to upgrade. Sex World is still tempting though as it is one of my all time favourites.
Which reminds me, is something like Nothing to Hide on VSís radar. My DVD of that is solid but I love it so much Iíd go for the upgrade.
Also odd that VS hasnít done much (or any?) Chuck Vincent. Would be great to have a deluxe Roommates or In Love, or Misbehaviní or, or...so many Vincent gems.
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I think most of the Chuck Vincent films you listed are with Distribpix, which means they may get an upgrade about the time we all switch to holodiscs.
I don't know if Nothing to Hide is legit with CalVista or not.

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genesim wrote:
You know what I find funny, the fact that after I write this, so many months later, look what pops up?
/>How many months has this bad boy been out? This is not the first time this has happened. lol

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Yes I had read that back when you mentioned your reviews and my comment was not to disparage or belittle this fine website and others like it that support adult video. I appreciate all the info that I have mined from this great place. I am very thankful to be a new member to this community!
It is the mainstream that continues to reward violence over sex and that is just bullshit....but it is the way that Western audiences have been brainwashed and it is a shame.
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I think this is all how one chooses to look at it. Fifteen years ago a site like Blu-ray.com would never have posted an adult Blu-ray release. Now they cover quite a few. There are other mainstream sites that cover adult releases. I am probably biased, because I also write for them, but EuroCultAV does a good job too, including before I started writing for them. Rock! Shock! Pop! also does a good job covering adult releases as well.
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I agree that it is progress, and I am not knocking the individuals, so much as the ideal that something is "failing" or selling less because it doesn't grab a hold like years past.
For instance, VHS rentals vs buying was never in the kind of proportion that it is now. Looking at the hard numbers, physical media is till a solid 40 to 50%. In the past, VHS buying was likely a lot less and I see reports of when VHS was king that it was still floating around 20 to 30% compared to rentals..
The streaming age are made up of renters and that is where the market went. Many of the DVD buyers were renters in disguise.
Obviously bluray is not going to take a hold as fast or even be bigger because of not only is it competing against streaming, piracy...but DVD which was and still is the biggest physical market.
But for the examples I have spoken of, bluray has obviously done better and for many mainstream releases, not only are bluray selling better, but they are actually completely killing DVD. This will only get stronger over time, and without so called failings of bluray, if you take out the renters in the scenario like I laid out above, bluray is still selling damn good.
I see what you are saying in your comment, and I have patience as well. I actually take glee that bluray.com finally got their heads out of the asses and did a proper review when the sales of the set were obviously doing quite well. Pity they didn't do it from the beginning, but things take time.
I just hope others are paying attention to the numbers. When quality adult makes it bluray...after a bit of time, interest starts happening. Give more bulk, you are going to find that interest multiply, but only if it is geared towards collectors who are looking for QUALITy as well. Vinegar Syndrome has this in plenty and that is why I am constructively criticizing as opposed to trashing. Sometimes people do not see the difference which is a pity (and to clarify, I am not speaking about anyone here at all).
p.s. Love Rock! Shock! Pop!. They are a staple for me.

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Do VS versions of "Her name was Lisa" and "Ms. Magnificent" contain the fisting scenes ?
 
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Her Name Was Lisa is complete and unedited. I haven't yet screened Ms. Magnificent, however, Vinegar Syndrome has stated the only editing is that which was required by the court judgment so if it was in the original I would expect it to be on the DVD. Vinegar Syndrome is really good about not releasing edited films.

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Thanks for reply. I did not notice any review of "...Lisa" which specified fisting as part of the "uncut". It seemed to me the drug use may be the only uncut now included. VS release of "Lust at first bite/Dracula Sucks" did not include the golden shower scene with Gillis and Serena AFAIK and uncut referred to hard and longer softer versions.

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Posted - Jul 6 2018 : 11:06AM
Yeah according to IAFD there is a Barbara Daniels fisting scene cut out? The music does seem to have a very abrupt way right before the entry Rick Iverson.
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As I stated elsewhere, we scanned the camera negative. There's nothing missing from it. I'm not sure how IAFD ever got the impression that there was a massage parlor scene in the film, but there wan't. We also have an original theatrical print of it which is identical to the negative.
With DRACULA SUCKS, the pissing was never included in any version without some kind of editing/effect. In the DS director's cut (which we released), it's included in a solarized bit with Jamie first meets Serena.

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Thanks for the breakdown on those 2 films. It surely adds some mystery to where the massage parlor info came from. On "Dracula sucks" detail it reminds me of " 7 into Snowy" and its jump cut ending bondage scene being only available form ?
 
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Most of IAFD's classic film info was originally provided by the late Peter van Aarle. If Peter supplied the scene listings for Her Name Was Lisa then it's likely he was watching a European cut of the film with the fisting scene added by a European distributor, no doubt lifted from an entirely different film. Trying to get IAFD to correct errors like this is near impossible, especially if it originated from a 'reviewer' or one of their other trusted sources.

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Elsewhere on this messageboard? Sorry if I missed it. Thank you for repeating if that is the case.

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Bit late in the day, but I've ordered several of the VS releases through Amazon UK over the last couple of years. Worth checking what they've got if that's where you live.
Could anyone confirm whether the recent release of HER NAME WAS LISA is a Blu-Ray single or DVD combo? Have heard conflicting reports. Samantha Fox is one of the most talented people ever to work in the business and perhaps my favourite of all time.
 
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It is a combo pack.

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Thanks for that.
 
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Loved rewatching Her Name was Lisa. So full of nearly unmotivated malice it struck me as much more of a precursor to Corruption. Also Vanessa Del Rio's best performance.
 
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A Blu-ray of Gerard Damiano's Memories Within Miss Aggie is coming in Sept. With a LE slip if you care about such things.
 
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I care about all things adult bluray, and yes this is great news!
I was hoping that Vinegar would do a series with the 5 year thing and it would be called Volume 2 instead of Volume 3 (which looks stupid on the shelf if you don't collect horror), and they would keep going on. Never understood that concept of forced cross promotion with the reversible not even really being an option, but hey that is just my opinion and it don't mean squat obviously. lol It is obvious that bluray is not the focus in adult film and may never be.
Regardless it is like the 60% off sale going on now. It is hard to get 100% jazzed when there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason to future release schedules or theme or anything really (with DVD's obviously getting the nod on extras). Perhaps this is the old clean out the basement for more releases on bluray? Yeah right,no wonder no one seems to give a shit about bluray in public (but according to sales that I see as I pointed out here and in other places, there seems to be a stronger trend then originally guessed at).
In the past there seem to be some loose pairings (triple) based on common directors. And while the occasional thing like Peaches Trilogy is welcoming it is also frustrating that an A list title like Flesh and Laces that has a lot of big name gets a DVD release (More Shauna Grant in HD PLEASE!!!) while Liquid Assets already with Ron Jeremy fucking a blow up doll is front and center (which I could do without in HD). I know I am not in the minority, but kink is not the only thing that sells or that is promoted. Why not promote beautiful women (like Sweet Young Foxes) that obviously also sell like crazy?
I appreciate the great company though and while criticism is never ever popular (and even chastised for it and even met with sarcasm), it is a nice breath of fresh air that a company is giving their all at least in the transfer process and extras which are immensely appreciated.
Edited by - genesim on 8/18/2018 9:46:36 AM
 
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Sweet Young Foxes was released on Blu-ray.

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Right, which was an example that I was making on how a release that has beautiful women, advertised as such with a great cover, and sells out, and is now doing very healthy in the aftermarket.
I have said this before though.
 
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Let's start with this, since you are stating something that differs from what the stores are saying, and the distributors are saying; could you post the information you have about adult Blu-ray sales and, especially, their sales verses their adult DVD counterparts?

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Posted - Aug 18 2018 : 9:04PM
I did already. Take a look at earlier in the post. You seemed to not have read that when you corrected me (along with the post to my bluray list that you have replied to as well where I am clearly aware of the Sweet Young Foxes bluray), maybe you can start there and disprove anything I said...respectfully.
It is not like the data is top secret since there clearly list their stock on their website and state where they started.
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Edited by - genesim on 8/18/2018 9:06:50 PM
*UPDATE* if one can't be bothered with what I wrote.
Mary Mary 484 copies left on bluray released in February 2018
Volume 1 down to 37 copies January 2018
Sweet Young Foxes sold out a long time ago, Sweet Young Foxes in stock on DVD and going for next to nothing on Ebay.
Those are just a few I looked over and like the point I made before, it isn't hard to see why.
If you are going to compare all adult blurays to DVD why don't you kindly point out where CLASSIC ADULT CINEMA TRANSFERRED IN QUALITY that was ever seriously give a chance? If distributors are saying it doesn't sell where is the examples of something floundering that was actually released (and it wasn't a b-grade stick against the wall release?).
I have never ever understood why it makes some people mad to criticize the marketing being the #1 reason and not the lack of interest. There is all kinds of evidence if one only barely looks.
Lastly, it is a fact that adult titles can and do outsell horror, but you actually have to put out QUALITY releases in bulk if you are ever going to test this theory. Having a few releases here and there (and again check out my list of vintage bluray...really?) is not going to prove or disprove. Until vintage cinema is given its just due this talk of what distributors are claiming that sells better are talking out their ass because it hasn't been done before.
And counting new digital titles is an entirely different story versus scanned film.
Edited by - genesim on 8/18/2018 9:27:39 PM
 
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Absolutely none of that gives any contrast with DVD sales. You are listing 1,000 and 2,000 runs as doing better than expected. That just doesn't work. Give actual sales numbers of DVD vs Blu sales. You shouldn't give attitude about people not reading what you wrote. None of what you wrote backs up what you are saying.
Time and time again, stores and distributors state that for adult DVD well outsells Blu-ray. This is newer movies and older films. If you want to counter that don't list a limited edition of 2K and state since only 484 are left it proves your point. Why don't you get the sales numbers for The Young Like it Hot / Sweet Young Foxes Blu-ray vs DVD, which won't quite tell you the real story since the Blu-ray likely sold higher than normal due to being limited. And do the same for Sex World, which will likely give a better example. If you can't back up your statements, people have to go by what the stores and distributors say since they do know the numbers.
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While you may dismiss my point of view, you are doing so while not bothering to hear out my point (and I gave attitude?).
Adult blurays until lately have been absolutely nothing in regards to film print vintage titles, because they simply have not existed.
The blurays that have existed have come from digital sources that were often upscales that were not "HD" to begin with. I do not argue for any of those examples, and anyone that has done even a marginal bit of research would know that until recently adult bluray have been nothing but an afterthought that has been actually sabotaged (like the initial bluray format wars actually being held up because of censorship issues on the format and the slow adoption).
Here are the facts, Vintage adult blurays that are scanned from film have been less than 30 to 40 titles. Anyone that would give an absolute success or failure from those pitiful amount of manufacturing would be foolish at best.
I am stating that there has been signs of great success and those so called outliers are actually shining examples (Pretty Peaches is another example of a limited edition sold out).
I suggest you cut the snide response and just stick with facts. It isn't hard to see the success, but if you choose to ignore my point, then we are going to continue to debate apples and oranges. I have tried to explain my side and you come at me with repeating something that has nothing to do with what I stated.
In the case of Vinegar Syndrome there has been success with adult titles that use SEX as the selling point. If they release titles that continue to revolve around the SEX element, then they will have even more success. There have been people like me that have complained, and it is turning your back on a huge market that absolutely exists. But if one wants to play blind, then you get what you get. Take the point or don't, I have stated the facts.
The other sheer stupidity of the situation is bluray being saddled with DVD's while the DVD's have already been released? You say that there is no contrast, but Sweet Young Foxes is a shining example of it selling out when the DVD alone has not. Wouldn't deductive reasoning tell you that it isn't the DVD that is the selling point? Same with the Volume #1 collection that is very close to selling out, which were all previously released on DVD which again you state "Absolutely none of that gives any contrast with DVD sales" ???? What the heck does then???????
I can't have a sensible discussion when one ignores what is said to answer your question and making special rules that limited edition sales should just be thrown out as if they are not data.
I hope you will look at my point now since I have stated the same thing like 5 times (much like my awareness of Sweet Young Foxes being on bluray). Vintage adult titles have not been on bluray, so it is foolish to declare that they aren't selling when they actually up to now have barely existed.

 
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Huh?
Okay, Vinegar Syndrome lies when they say DVD sells better for adult and yes Sweet Young Foxes is the shining example that the not limited DVD edition hasn't sold out (?) but the limited edition Blu-ray has.
You win on all counts.

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Posted - Aug 19 2018 : 9:48AM
I don't know why you are taking this personally. It is like my opinion actually hurts your feelings.
DVD's are the most successful format ever for entertainment and to beat it would have always been a challenge. The DVD explosion was so popular it actually took the renters market and I am supposed to declare bluray a failure because it doesn't get to that status?? Adult video in general has mismanaged bluray and until recently has never given vintage archiving its proper respect. It is not like all this is a big secret.
Vintage adult videos shot on film have shown very good success on the bluray format despite the fact that there are only a handful of titles that are true to this parameter.
You have declared that DVD have sold better despite the fact that are many examples that prove the opposite (and I am also talking about quantity sold in a shorter amount of time).
Vinegar Syndrome has did a decent job (though not compared to their horror promotion) of showing that the market exists for high quality vintage porn/erotica. This doesn't mean that them or others are not beyond criticism. As I said before, to actually release Debbie Does Dallas, Deep Throat, Devil in Miss Jones...on bluray with great scans and great promotion (and yes I am well aware that Vinegar Syndrome at this time doesn't own the license), will prove all this complete nonsense that adult bluray not selling is exactly that...foolish nonsense. But hey, that is my opinion, I would hope you would respect that and it is nothing personal against you as a person, so please don't take it that way.
When any adult bluray comes to the market, I will happily support it, but until that day (other than a few select titles that I must have no matter how it comes out), I refuse to support DVD anymore just as I won't for titles moving forward in the mainstream market. Will I miss out on a lot of great stuff, probably, will I care that much, NOPE. If anyone expects me or others that appreciate fine quality adult cinema to invest, then one should get their head out of the sand and release it proper. Otherwise, my (and their) money will go somewhere else. From the looks of the marketplace for physical media that is thriving on the independent labels, it already has.

 
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Posted - Aug 19 2018 : 10:22AM
Not going to happen per David Sutton.
Already did in a crummy 720p transfer.
Not going to happen per David Sutton.
None of these belong in the Vinegar Syndrome thread though. Please keep this thread on Vinegar Syndrome's Blu-ray releases and not other companies.

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Posted - Aug 19 2018 : 10:48AM
I apologize for anything I wrote about other movies that I used for an example, but why have you pointed this out when I made it clear in my post??? I cannot know what Vinegar Syndrome has licensed, so through no fault of my own, a mere mention that other titles exist is just way out of line?
We can agree to disagree, this discussion is over (with you anyway). It is like it has turned into a nitpicking hunt instead of a sensible interaction. I meant no offense.
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