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Goldstein wonders, since when does a prosecutor convene a grand jury and ask them not to bring charges?
 
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Exactly.
 
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To be clear, there is no reason why a prosecutor would convene a grand jury to not bring charges.
I was asking a rhetorical question.
The answer was obvious (or so I hoped).
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Oh, it's obvious, alright.
 
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/>Notable excerpts from story;
Police officers who stopped his car had not even unholstered their weapons when Headley allegedly began firing, Evans said...Police chased Headley on foot across backyards on Rosseter Street, then onto Geneva Avenue where he was wrestled to the ground and arrested without any more shots being fired.
Boston Police dealing with members of the community during the investigation.
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The commissioner who has administered a police of effective but only necessary force
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Ok so my question is twofold; one for those here as well as other places who are quick to paint law enforcement with the excessive force brush, especially in relation to their dealing with the minority populations. Although this criticism is deserved on a case-by-case basis it would be reasonable to assume their should be value in using examples such as this to illustrate there are other ways police correctly deal with these incidents.
Secondly, and more importantly, the Boston Police have obviously been effective in ingraining a culture of effective but minimal force. This is only one of several incidents where the agency would have been justified in killing the suspect (in fact the police did shoot at the suspect but ceased when the fled.) Why haven't other cities and agencies sent their administrators to Boston to learn how to deal with these incidents and improve both their overall effectiveness as well as their image?
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Excactly. Before I even read that part, my comment was - great example of how it should be done.
And they *might* have been justified killing the suspect, but it wasn't necessary. If it's not necessary, is it justified? We've seen officers firing shots (like the one shooting at the guy who was just reaching into his car for i.d.) where the public was endangered by flying bullets. The right way to do it is with minimal force. Setting aside the outright murders (like the guy shot in the back running away in the park), most officers should welcome all the training they can get in making those difficult, split-second decisions.

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I agree with the analysis of justified vs. necessary. To show how training and education pays off there was clear justification to fire at the suspect as he was firing at the officer. Only a fool would think differently. However once he was fleeing the justification diminished rapidly. The truly amazing part is that in the midst of such an emotional and dangerous situation, the police were able to make that distinction and act upon it. The other amazing thing, but it shouldn't be, is how the philosophy has effectively come all the way down from the commissioner to the cop on the street with no huge protests on the part of the street cops. It just shows it can be done.
 
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^ Fuck yes. This case made me sick to my stomach.

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That charge was dismissed, after the state put his son in foster care for a year.
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Tick tock on NYC doing a Ferguson.
 
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There needed to be some consequence for this accidental shooting and this seems fair.

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, a place I've mentioned at least twice before in this thread. The previous shootings (whether the victims were black or white) ran under the radar. But now it's blown wide open with this latest one.
 
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Here is an update on the Gurley case. Brooklyn DA Thompson is seeking no prison time for Liang. "There is no evidence that the defendant intended to kill or even injure Mr. Gurley," Thompson wrote in his sentencing letter. "There are no winners here." The sentence Thompson recommended to the court consists of house arrest and probation. Not surprisingly, Gurley's family and some in the African-American community aren't pleased with this development. I'll take Thompson at his word and believe he is seeking an outcome to this tragedy that is fair for all involved: a conviction without prison time. However it should be noted that there was widespread anger in NYC Asian-American community over the verdict and a promise from them to oppose Thompson's reelection. Liang is an Asian-American. Oh, the complexities of a diverse world.
 
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Lost in all the news this week is the happenings in the Freddie Gray case. Baltimore's State Attorney Marilyn Mosby continues to strikeout in the courtroom. A judge cleared policeman Caesar Goodson Jr. of all charges in the death of Gray. Goodson Jr. was the driver of the van Gray was in when he was fatally injured. The judge said the "rough ride" prosecution didn't prove any crime was committed by Goodson and dismissed all 7 charges. Goodson Jr. is thought to be the best chance Mosby had of getting a conviction in Gray's death.
 
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Two more names added to the virtual wall: Alton Sterling of Baton Rouge, and Philando Castile of Falcon Heights, MN.
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^ That's disgusting. All of the officers involved should be stripped of their authority.
 
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More positive coverage of Baton Rouge and the aftermath:

Many don't realize that the Montgomery bus boycotts were modeled on --the very first bus boycotts, in fact.

 
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I agree with the Minnesota Governor, that this would not have happened if the driver was white.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream may never occur in our nation.
That, and the death of this kid in Minnesota makes me very sad.
Of course, the cop may skate, like most of the others because "he was in fear for his life".
That's what's driving this whole problem, fear and racism.
Get a gun and keep it in the car because you may be afraid you can't protect yourself when trouble comes.
Kill a young man because you're afraid he's going to pull out a gun instead of his wallet.
I'm thankful I grew up to not be afraid of folks different than me.
Racism is a disease, inherited from our uncles and grandfathers and fathers.
A disease spread via crude jokes and slurs of others.
The honorable thing for this cop to do is to accept the first plea bargain offer from the Prosecutor, if he does get charged with killing Philando.
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Unless you are a cop it doesn't matter how you grew up. Do you have a job where there is a legitimate chance you could get killed on the job everyday you show up to work? Unless you do you have no right to criticize what a cop may be afraid of. You are never going to be in his shoes. There are plenty of legitimate reasons not to take the cops side in this incident but fear is not one of them. The world is full of crazy people and you never know what they are going to look like until you run into them and you never know exactly when you will run into one of them.

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I retired after serving 23 years as a deputy Sheriff, working in the jail for four years before working the road as the animal control officer.
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I felt it was extraordinarily irresponsible of the governor to rush to make this kind of a statement before any kind of meaningful investigation into the incident could have been carried out.
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This for all those who say you should just do what the officers say.
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Death by firing squad.
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Advise your loved ones to cooperate with law enforcement should the situation arise. It will greatly increase their chances of a peaceful result.
 
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Dallas Police Chief David Brown: "We're Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country"

Dallas Police Chief David Brown held a press conference Monday morning where he was very frank about the burden placed on police because of societal failures.
"I just want to know how you are doing. As you characterize on-air and in reports, law enforcement, the brotherhood, sisterhood. What goes through your mind, chief, when you put your head your on your pillow at night and process this and what is happening in this department?" a reporter asked.
"What we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish here is above challenging. It is -- we're asking cops to do too much in this country. We are. We're just asking us to do too much," Chief Brown said.
"Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding. Let the cop handle it. Not enough drug addiction funding. Let's give it to the cops. Here in Dallas, we've got a loose dog problem. Let's have the cops chase loose dogs. You know, schools fail. Give it to the cops. 70% of the African-American community is being raised by single women. Let's give it to the cops to solve that, as well. That's too much to ask," a stressed Brown said.
"Policing was never meant to solve all of those problems," Brown said to reporters. "I just ask for other parts of our democracy, along with the free press, to help us. To help us and not put that burden all on law enforcement to resolve. So, again, I'm just being pretty honest with you. You know, I have raw feelings about all of what we do. And don't ask me if you don't want the answer."
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Well if you're black comply means you'll end up being a another hashtag like #Philandocastile
 
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Which is something several victims over the past few years -- stories listed in this thread -- can corroborate.
 
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OK, so you've admitted that the officer fired at a car willy-nilly without even knowing who was inside.

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Pics like this are a cheap shot no matter the issue' police corruption, violence predominately perpetrated by blacks, Islamists and so on. I'm not saying there is some credibility to some of these stories but lets face it. There are no backstories to check and most importantly no one taking credit for putting the pc together. Hell, anyone can post random pics of anyone, make up an inflammatory caption and expect everyone to believe it on its face.
Call me crazy but I had an idea. how about we all acknowledge we are on the same side and not vilify others as a regular course of conduct? What if we ALL objected to needless police use of force; what if we ALL demanded justice for ALL victims? What if we ALL came out against those who commit violence and commit repeated criminal acts and prey upon society being blind to color, or religion? What if we ALL demanded equal justice and demanded the same standards of conduct for others, whether it be a cop or a person who was, "Just turning their life around"? What if we ALL refused to tolerate hatred for those who chose to exercise their right of freedom of religion by worship in the Islamic tradition? What if we rejected those "Community activists" who flit from one high profile event to the next only for the purpose of shameless self-promotion and not to stay, roll their sleeves up and work on helping others fix things? What id we ALL demanded police have professional standards for hiring and eliminate political connections, racial and gender quotas and absolute veteran's preference from the selection criteria? What if we ALL stood up to shout down any politician trying to pander to any group with inflammatory statements? What if we acknowledged me really have no right or reason to wantonly invade sovereign nations to check terrorism and maybe, just maybe acknowledge we might be inciting just that.
I could keep going as I'm sure we all could but really? Just entrenching ourselves into different factions is only going to at best perpetuate the status quo.
 
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^ You're right about memes--many of them are fake or photoshopped or otherwise sensationalized. I decided to google the names and read up on some of them. They all seem to check out. A sample:
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I think it's important to show that those who try to be "good cops" face terrible scrutiny. So, deflecting criticism of police departments by arguing that these violent incidents are simply the actions of "bad cops" ignores the way bad policing tactics, corruption, and abuse are institutionalized.
 
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I don't find it particularly burdensome to look up the officers named in the montage above.
Of course, it would be a mistake to assume that allegations against eight individual police departments prove a pattern of corruption that encompasses the thousands of police departments in these United States. What it does remind us of, though, is the fact that police officers are human beings. All human beings are flawed, so we would be fools to believe policemen are incapable of doing wrong simply by virtue of the job they hold.
I returned to the town I graduated high school from to find that the chief of police is the guy who was a poster boy for asshole jocks who throw their weight around in school. I have no idea if age and experience has taught him any better. I can only hope so because, otherwise, he has no business wielding any kind of authority, or power.
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