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Posted - Jul 17 2016 : 12:48AM
I also, as GGG said, looked up these stories. They're easily searchable. Anything that I have posted in this thread can be reasonably verified as most of the stories are matters of public record.


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This is the exact reason Black Lives Matter exists, so people like you don't co-op the movement with this All Lives Matter bullshit. If it weren't for BLM would whites and other really be that concerned about police brutality? NO! Police brutality is something that many people regardless of race face, but there is no doubt that a disproportionate number of blacks are burdened by it. Blacks have been screaming at the top of their lungs for decades about it, but middle America have been largely dismissive and myopic about it.
But now that finally the black community gets some momentum, middle America want to co-op the movement, and try to dictate the discourse and taylor it in their privileged direction. Without BLM toady, I highly doubt there would be this much discussion about police brutality/corruption/misconduct.
If you're at a breast cancer rally, would you be screaming about ALL cancer patients lives matter? If You're at a feminist rally, would you be screaming men's rights matter?
There's something really crude about America and it's perchance for turning a blind eye to the plight of it's black citizens, and flipping it back on them by saying, "well isn't that a little racist that you talk about racism framing as a black issue", "why do guys keep talking about race? I think that's racist".
Well maybe if middle America dealt with these issues head on, then maybe racial issues wouldn't be so much of burden.
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2016 : 8:02AM
Excellent post, DJ.
However, one correction:
I'm White, and have been "concerned" about all matters of injustice and institutionalized racism towards Blacks (and other minorities) my entire life.
I grew up as a child in the Fifties and Sixties -- when lynchings and hangings of Black men in the South was still current reality.

Whites of good will were essential to the Civil Rights progress we made in the Sixties.
We will be again.
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2016 : 9:15AM
^^Thanks, but that's why I used the term "middle America" because I was referring to a specific group of whites in suburbs and small towns who usually identify with the Republican party and are stringent apologists for (bad) cops. Of course, America has always produced well meaning whites who 'get it' like John Brown, Tim Wise and Jane Elliot.
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2016 : 1:38PM
Oh, shit, let the Race War begin...
 
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Posted - Jul 17 2016 : 9:48PM

By KATIE ROGERS
JULY 17, 2016
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FYI, one of the slain Baton Rouge officers is Black:
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We don't know the motive(s) of the killer yet.
 
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Posted - Jul 18 2016 : 2:01AM
What the Hell is wrong with the cops? Currently, they are being assassinated. That's what's wrong with them.
 
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Is it time to start profiling retired military veterans?
 
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^ Well, it's long past time that Congress properly fund the Veteran's Administration, and that today's vets get the necessary mental health treatment they need -- WHEN they need it!
Veterans are committing suicide at epidemic rates -- the flip-side of this very same coin -- and nobody gives a shit
The typical person hasn't a clue as to how bad it's gotten, as the media is too busy covering every inane utterance Donald Trump makes -- live -- instead of any real news and/or ANYTHING that might inform citizens about what's going on in the world.
I've never been so pessimistic about the future in my entire life
 
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^I think this year could be the flashpoint of a civil war!!! That's a least the second black man within a month to be shot whilst surrendering.
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Posted - Jul 22 2016 : 1:40AM
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Civil war? Honestly? That was Charlie Manson's thought 45+ years ago. Of course, the lunatic murderer ended up spending his life in prison. More likely, we'll see continued civil unrest.

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^Apparently the cop was trying to shoot the autistic guy, because he perceived him as a threat, and apparently missed. None of this is reassuring.
 
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This seems in clear violation of the Fourth Amendment, as the fact that the police knew the person named in the warrant no longer lived there refutes any suggestion of probable cause. Lacking such a suggestion, no warrant should have been issued. That being so, the police chief should be fired and the judge who issued the warrant should be removed from the bench and disbarred.

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Great post Smiler Grogan!!!
I hope you don't mind if I spread this around a little to shut a few idiots up.
 
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^Be my guest!
note: I did not create this- sorry to anyone if I gave that impression; this has been in circulation on the interwebs for awhile now.

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Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 9:40AM
Along with that great well informed poster let me add this to the list...


I wonder if Don Lemon is gonna have her on his show like he did with Peggy Hubbard.
Anyway, we definitely can't forget one of the most police whisle-blowers of all time...
Frank Serpico


And if any of you ever get the chance can you ask Sheriff David Clarke about Blue on Blue violence.
 
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Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 5:33PM
It was also a favourite fantasy of certain black power and far left nutters in the 60s. How they thought that 1 in 10 were numbers that were in their favour...leaving aside the fact that support for 'the revolution' in the black community was miniscule of course.
 
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Imo, [link inactive:404 - Page not found]This case and although less headline grabbing due to no one being shot, are more compelling proof of racial prejudice in policing in the US than many of the more recent cases that have got so much attention. To me the most legit well known case is But one could argue that case is more about how the NYPD police poor neighborhoods in general, although in the US seperating class and race issues is tricky.
Edited by - BlackSix on 7/26/2016 6:10:00 PM

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Posted - Jul 26 2016 : 8:21PM
Oh really, can you give us some names and any corroborating facts to support this (it would be interesting to know)?
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Posted - Jul 27 2016 : 1:53AM
Check out books like BAM or any of the manifestos of the Weathermen, SLA and their ilk. Manson's crazy ideas drew on much of the spiel of the counterculture at the time. For quite a while he was also defended by many elements of the far left, check out Rolling Stones' The Decade of Paranoia.

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Posted - Jul 28 2016 : 1:34PM
^ Well in regards to "the Weathermen" and "SLA", those two groups never cited any interest in a civil war. They was about, from I understand, a revolution. You do realize that there's a difference between the two, don't you?
As for the Manson Family, they weren't Leftists and they damn-sure wasn't a "Black-Power Group", so I don't even know why you brought them up.
In closing, who the hell is "BAM"?
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Please turn down the unneccessary pedantary and snark. If you want to have a conversation let's have a conversation. You asked for sources, I gave them.
The SLA in particular believed in an apocaplypic race war, splitting hairs on whether that is a call for 'civil war' or 'revolution' seems pointless when dealing with such half-baked fantasies.
As for Manson, I brought him up because Aclay did, obviously. Again, you don't actually seem interested in a discussion, just scoring cheap points but for Aclay's and others info...
Although Manson was a racist and misogynist he also advocated many of the same ideas as the far left and counterculture at the time (free love, anti-capitalism, communalism, environmentalism). And it's not like the far left and counterculture were free of either racism or misogyny. Many of the 'paleo-conservatives' and 'anarcho-capitalists' of today started as hippy radicals in the 60s.
He may not have 'really' been a lefty by some lights but at first Manson was able to convince a number on the left, including promiment members of the Weathermen that he was 'one of them' and that he and the family were framed. It wasn't until he was exposed in a Rolling Stone interview that he started to lose support, although members of the Weathermen stuck by him far longer than most.
PS. Sorry I meant I prefer to usually read some contemporay accounts and original sources as people often try to revise and excuse their excesses when it comes to politics. One book on the 60s I really though captured the paranoia and polarization of the time is by J. Hoberman.
Edited by - BlackSix on 7/28/2016 6:53:46 PM

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Frankly I don't understand why the police do anything at this point. It's a lot easier to never show up or investigate something reported as suspicious. If those thing turn bad the police are ALWAYS wrong. In none of these cases has anyone conceded that the person shot might have been doing something illegal and in doing so posed an imminent threat to others of the police. Far from having a civilized conversation on here and conceding there may be some instances where the police were acting in a criminal fashion and others where they may have acted appropriotritly we just engage in name calling and intolerance for the opinions of others.
I'm all done posting in this thread since it's obvious there are posters with a singular agenda, ( and I'll save you the hot air...I'm not talking about the agenda that your defending innocent citizens because some have long strayed from that). So yeah, everyone the police encounter are accosted illegally and none one, at least if they're black, ever commits a crime of violence against another and if so they should be immune from arrest. Oh, and the police are all raging racist shitheads who can't get real jobs, Anything else? Feel free to add and pile on...

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Thanks for summarizing exactly what we are saying. NOT!

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^ don't you know? the police are never wrong.
 
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If that's how you feel, then fine...but I honestly don't understand how you reach this conclusion.


 
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Disgusting.
is from March, but just in case anyone missed it (I only saw it today).
 
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^ Aside from the piece showing that the unwritten code is alive and well, it is interesting that the officers were going to arrest the guy for DWI when he was sitting in a parked car. Now, I'll grant that he could have driven under the influence to get where he was found, and he could well have been over the limit when he woke up and drove off, but the officers never saw him driving while intoxicated.
 
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Posted - Sep 21 2016 : 3:22PM
Not really surprising. I guess I should be angry about it but I know that local cops in our area use to let my alcoholic uncles off for DUI just because they were local boys. In fact one of my uncles got into a car accident while drunk and killed his best friend in the crash and the local cops covered for him. This was back in the 60s though.
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It is getting ugly in Charlotte. However, the reports of a protester being dead at the hands of another protester are not accurate - at least not yet. There was some sort of altercation, but the victim is alive in the hospital.
 
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and, of course, Rep. Pittenger attempts to weasel out of it after the fact.
 
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But remember the Supreme Court said there was no need for the Civil Rights Act in the South? Racism is over y'all.

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Hate to say it but police union has become a gang. Some not involved support bad cops who are blatantly wrong and code of silence is a huge problem.
Local DAs need to be barred from investigating cop killings and special state prosecutorial unti/Task Force needs to take over cause of Conflicts of Interest and DA and cops works too close.

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I guarantee it'd be highly likely if a cop murdered an innocent rich white kid, murder charges and a jury conviction would be locked down.
 
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^ If so that would be more a reflection of money than race. Rich black celebrities have proven as likely to get off as rich white celebrities in court (O.J. Simpson, R. Kelly, Robert Blake).
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^except that studies, research, investigations ans statistics show that race IS a factor.
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^ No one said it wasn't, for poor and middle class people.
But there seems to be good reason to believe that celebrity and riches allow one to manipulate the justice system to one's own benefit. Do you think OJ or Blake would have got off without the money to pay for their scumbag lawyers?
It isn't only a question of race in the US, class compounds the situation and is often even less acknowledged than race. Just ask Ice T.
Edited by - BlackSix on 9/27/2016 5:49:12 PM
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^It's laughable that you use O.J. as a black man that supposedly 'got away with murder', when in fact the man's currently rotting away in a Nevada state prison on trumped up charges. O.J. was probably the first black man to 'get away with murder' in American history, that should tell you all you need to know.
But back to my point, NO celebrities cannot manipulate a murder trial in that way because Phil Spector is rotting in jail too.
 
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 11:58AM
Obviously these issues are intersectional. It's silly to claim otherwise.
 
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Yeah poor OJ.
Spector is just the exception that proves the rule, same as OJ.
As GGG says it is never just racism, there is class and misogyny (which helped OJ get off) operating at all times in society and the criminal system. That is one reason stories of cops and crime, fictional and non-fictional, hold so much fascination.
Can't see why such an obvious point would be an issue of debate.


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The cop lost his job over this. Seems he snaps just because of what the guy says on the phone about the police harrassing him.
I remember the time as a teenager I went to the mall with my brother and my niece. We split up and I went to the crowded Christmas time parking lot to find my brothers car. I couldn't remember where we parked and I'm terrible at identifying cars so I wandered around a bit, saw what I thought was my brother's car but once I looked in I realized since my nieces toys weren't there it was the wrong car.
The cops showed up and I had a conversation with the cops similar to this man, where I realized the confluence of events made me look guilty. My own story sounded made up coming out of my mouth and the cops weren't buying it. Then luckily my brother and niece showed up and the cops instantly let me go.
In this case it seems there's lots the cops could have done to resolve this, an absurd overreaction.
 
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^ I watched this and had no clue how the situation could possibly escalate to violence and arrest. Unbelievable.
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