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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Lawyer: Jury should hear about cop's 'auditory exclusion'
I can empathize with this, but I kind of want to impose two conditions:
1) Officers are trained about the phenomenon, before such situations arise. I don't know how they can have training which actually involves fear and high levels of adrenaline and cortisol, but I haven't drawn any conclusion yet that they are adequately trained. The training is for what conditions to shoot in, but maybe it doesn't include dealing with what sort of fears are hammering around in your head.
2) The same allowances are made for people who are NOT cops, and are NOT trained in how to react in fast-moving, scary situations. They aren't all 'perps.' The police have been known to go to the wrong house (transposed digits on the address, or First St. instead of First Ave., or the previous occupant has moved and the current tenants are not the subjects of the inquiry). And at this wrong house full of a family which is just having an ordinary evening at home, the door busts in, cops appear, and everybody is ordered face down on the floor, including old people and pregnant women. Dogs get shot, babies get injured, all kinds of crazy. But the police, who have training in emergency situations, slur their commands and then expect instant compliance, with no leeway for their suspect's innocence, ptsd, lack of training, poor medical condition, autism, or auditory exclusion.
Auditory exclusion--might it not be the reason that some people don't obey the cops instantly? Along with the fact, of course, that the tapes often show that you can't understand the words that the cops are screaming really fast and slurring. If you can't tell whether they are saying "turn around" or "down on the ground" (especially if several of them are yelling at once) what good is it to say that you 'issued the command' several times?
I'm going to guess that people who are not trained for these emergency situations are more likely than cops are to freeze up, act in uncertainty, and suffer auditory exclusion. And this applies to people who actually are perps, and who still have a right to fair treatment.
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^Bullshit!!! Stop trying to justify what was a straight up execution. Her fucking gun should not have been drawn to begin with. None of the others officers had their guns drawn. What makes her so fucking special?
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^ I hope you aren't addressing me. I'm not justifying the shooting. I'm reporting on what her lawyer has said to the press.
The article continues:
I'm not addressing the issue of her guilt. Only the issue of "auditory exclusion."
And my point is, if there is such a thing, police are responsible to address it in their training--to somehow simulate true fear situations (difficult or impossible), and to instruct police trainees that they may not be able to hear loud noises, and thus are responsible to look around behind them and see if they have backup, for instance. It becomes a police responsibility to train for it.
AND that 'auditory exclusion' cuts both ways--that they can stop telling the press or juries how many times they "gave a command" (which was not followed), because they now have to admit that the suspect cannot be expected to have heard it, what with being in a stressful situation and all. They would have to make the assumption that their commands commonly cannot be heard.
I am saying that citizens untrained in police work, and not having been screened for mental fitness in high stress situations, are more likely than cops are to experience perceptual distortions resulting from fear.



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I guess 'empathize' might be the wrong word for me to use. I'm not empathizing with her, just allowing that the phenomenon of auditory exclusion may well exist, for people in general. It seems likely to me that it does.
I haven't watched the video for this shooting. But they haven't been keen to file charges in these cases, so I assume it looks pretty blatant.
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From Marksville, Louisiana in November: I'll admit this story probably didn't get a lot of play because of the racial politics involved;
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^And guess what? They got magically charged with MURDER almost as soon as they discharged their weapons. That was pretty quick justice, rare that is though in most of these other police shootings, ummmm, I wonder why?
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Dashcam footage: He was behaving erratically and allegedly carrying a knife.
"Fuck this guy. I'm going to hit him."
"Ok, go for it, go for it."
They don't manage it, so naturally they shoot the guy 14 times while he is trying to run away.
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^ I already linked to that story.
 
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Netflix is releasing a Documentary on the historical context called .
"13th" refers to the 13th amendment to the US Constitution, which used to be my favorite. But the abolition of slavery came with a proviso, slavery and involuntary servitude were abolished "except as a punishment for crime [...]". The Southern states used the clause to establish the Black Codes and set the stage for the current system of mass incarceration.
I've avoided posting on this thread, because "What the hell is wrong with cops??" is the wrong question. I think it's more helpful to ask, "What the hell is wrong with the criminal justice system?".
The criminal justice system is deeply tied to the larger system of racism in the US. A discussion of how racism functions in the US may be more useful than detailing one instance of police misconduct after another. Either way, I will be watching the documentary, and I invite people to read and .
 
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^ There was an excellent documentary on PBS Detroit narrated by Larry Fishburne that covered the same ground.
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Jeezuz, the school can't handle, "The kid took a carton of milk" without the cops and the criminal justice system.
This has been in the justice system now for over a year? The case is not even going to be heard until November. A 14 year-old kid who is on the free lunch program, says that he took his lunch tray, but had forgotten the milk and went back to pick it up. Someone else said he had already taken a milk. Woo.
He refused to go with a cop to the principal's office, so charges were filed.
A) Your tax dollars at work. No telling what this is costing.
B) Criminalizing black kids for stuff that gets shrugged off if a frat brat does it.
This stupid thing needs the light shined on it, and it needs to go away.
 
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Speaking of "Prosecutor Ladd Erickson had said (journalist Amy Goodman) was 'acting like a protester' when she filmed the protests against the Dakota Access pipeline on 3 September."
Apparently, this is the second time somebody has been arrested by the sheriff for filming the protests, and the second time the court has rejected the prosecutor's claim that doing so is a violation of the law. I wonder if the judge is going to fine him for contempt of court if he goes for three.
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I feel that this is also an abuse of the dogs.
 
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I watched the entire video -- and I am outraged!
For starters, I believe the boy's story that he forgot his milk, to which he was entitled, and went back to get it.
What outrages me is how something like this winds up with a 14-year-old boy -- a good student who has never been in trouble -- being put in handcuffs and being charged with crimes!
This entire matter was so mishandled by authorities at every level that I am disgusted by it!
And, good for the boy and his mother for refusing to plead guilty and attend a diversion program -- for a "crime" he didn't commit -- in order to have the matter "dismissed."
Thank God he wasn't shot dead.
I'm going to find out if there is a defense fund or something and get involved.
This kind of shit, racist shit, has got to stop.
And, the only way it ever will is if we make it so painful and difficult for "authorities" to keep on with business as usual
 
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I believe there are over one million violent crimes perpetrated annually in America. It's surprising there aren't more controversies. But with the increasing ubiquity of body-cams, we're in for a lot more. The media will be feasting on this for many many years to come. Even if things are factually improving with policing, we'll never know based on media coverage. It will seem things are getting drastically worse.
This is why we should never fault Obama for the evident spike in race relations or hostility with bad police. I see that comment show up over and over, nauseatingly. "Obama's America."
They say he's only exacerbated race relations. If you only follow the media, I could see why many get the impression that things have worsened. But if you actually mind the historic research and emerging data, you will see how vested in distortion the media is.
The undeniable and overwhelming facts of the matter are that rates of violent crime has reached historic lows. Interracial violence has always been just a small percentage of all violence, only about 1 in 10 violent crimes involves different races of perpetrator and victim - and even in that small portion, race is only an incidental factor, not a motivating one.
What the hell is wrong with cops? I don't know. But there's over half a million of them on active duty contending with millions of crimes, having hundreds of millions of interactions mostly with the worst people among us. I'd say 98% of cops are decent, or at least clean. I've run into some pigs trying to pin crimes on me and my friends in my youth. I've personally been detained for hours under suspicion of crimes I had no part in. I remember thinking they were pigs. But nothing is gained by buying into the distorted media narratives and subscribing to that "us vs them" mentality.
BTW I oppose capital punishment so you already know it goes without saying I thoroughly object to and condemn excessive force, especially these cases of deadly force used against unarmed suspects. Even suspects armed with knives, I always wish the cops had rubber bullets or slugs. It's naive when people say "Why didn't they just shoot him in the leg?" or "Why didn't they shoot the gun out of his hand." These are very misguided impressions people get from watching too many movies. But when you see a gang of officers show up, and a suspect is not armed with anything more deadly than a knife, where the hell are the rubber rounds? How hard is it for a group to coordinate and unload with non-lethal rounds first, then maybe follow up with a taser if they can safely get in range? I'm hoping we can see a lot better tactics and training applied soon.
 
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One of the issues with new technologies is it can make problems look like they are getting worse when they are either the same or getting better. With body camera footage, bad policing can be seen and tallied so the numbers might go up making one think it is worse. However, the difference in the quantity may never have been reported. The other side to that is with new technology hopefully this kind of behavior can be eradicated from the police force.

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Fundamentally, I just don't see the benefit to any police department of sanctioning the execution of innocent citizens. Everyone suffers when this happens. Most of all the victims, of course, but not least of all, next the cops suffer because it vilifies them by association and then you have things like the recent Dallas attack, and the Baton Rouge attack, and before those was the notable ambush of 2 NY cops. Stuff like that really cuts to the heart of society because it is never justified. While I would contend there are still significantly more unjustified homicides by police, the vast majority of instances of deadly force deployed by police are at least arguably justified if not flat-out justified. Last stats I saw, the majority of suspects killed by police were armed, meaning armed with a deadly weapon, mostly gun or sometimes knife. You can go case by case through this list and read about each one in all their contextual complexity for yourself:
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Two sides of the same coin:
Very nice.
And then there's this from Austin:
 
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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Officer involved in Philando Castile shooting will be tried on Manslaughter.
The audio shows that
 
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a-HEM.
 
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Reno:
Unless the kid is Bruce Lee or something, off the top of my head, I can think of six different ways a single well-trained police officer could have ended this without a gunshot.
And there were two officers on the scene. I can think of 20 ways two officers could have done it.
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Cop who shot Walter Scott will be retried and convicted. 11 of the jurors were moving to convict, there was just 1 hold-out. And that was with almost all white jury. Next time they should have a more representative jury, when no less than the governor of SC called the mistrial a disgrace. He's as good as convicted.
 
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Dyksma was eluding, but a coroner's report says police tactics during restraint may have killed him.

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A judge signed a murder warrant for former Balch Springs Police officer Roy Oliver, who was fired by the force earlier this week for policy violations, the newspaper reported citing law enforcement officials.
Responding to a drunken teenagers call. Originally the story was he fired in to a car coming towards him aggressively, but later revealed the car was going away from him.
 
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[link inactive:404 - Page not found]Cop Fired After Not Shooting Suicidal Man Sues City
Hope he wins.
 
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^ Fired for 'not eliminating a threat' looks a whole lot more like CYA to me.The 'threat' wasn't going anywhere, and nobody was being threatened, with the possible exception of the police officer, who decided that threat wasn't credible.
City fathers may have decided it was fire Mader or open themselves up to a wrongful death lawsuit. Of course, they may have just doubled-down on a pair of deuces. If so, good luck with that, guys.
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What the ever loving fuck ?
I assume there is more to this story.

 
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Shot by a Somali cop.

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Well, that makes sense. Somali cops all over the place, running amok. Surely we must do something about that.
 
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I thought they were all blue. My mistake.
 
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^^ Yeah, that has to be a new low for the Neech.
Police officers are supposed to be trained, so one's country of origin is neither a reason nor an excuse for such an obvious failure.
 
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And that's really saying something.
From The Root: . More innocent than a 12-year-old boy playing with a toy gun.
 
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A police officer who sees a kid playing with a gun has to make sure that it is just a toy. Still, as I said previously, you'd damn well better have a bullet hole in you before you shoot a child.
A police officer needs good judgment, even above confidence in his, or her, ability to cope in any situation. Lacking either trait, an officer might be capable of flying a desk, but it is criminal to put him out on the street.
 
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. These guys in Frederick, MD For British cops, taking down knife-wielders is old hat.
Maybe we can teach this cop in NYC how to do the same.
 
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Riots likely to continue in St. Louis, making the Ferguson and Charlotte riots look like playtime.
 
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As of this time, they now say there was no bomb. No word on if there was a hostage situation either.
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What the hell is wrong with cops? Nothing. They just their job.
Criminals are the problem. USA are full of young gangs (99% of them Hispanic or Black gangs for the records).
These gangs are a real threat to all law abiding citizens.

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Not to me.
Might be more relevant where you live, comrade.
"The most recent figures provided by law enforcement are 46 percent Hispanic/Latino gang members, 35 percent African-American/black gang members, more than 11 percent white gang members, and 7 percent other race/ethnicity of gang members."

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Eight months later, the officer has been charged.
The officer, and the whole police department, basically refused to co-operate.

But in an environment where the police (rightly) believe anyone is likely to pull out a gun ...

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Cops are weird. I always call them snakes. They have to keep a cold distance from society, even when they pretend to be nice. It's an attitude they have to keep because at any moment they realize they may have to kill a citizen - and they're trained with this mindset that any citizen may suddenly turn on them and try to kill them. It must be a shitty way to live.
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