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^ I also want to know why the police were called in the first place. It's ambiguous. Were they seeking help?
 
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^ It wasn't the cops, it was la migra.
[link inactive:404 - Page not found]According to LA's CBS affiliate, ICE originally said he was detained because he didn't have ID. The claim that he was wanted for homicide was made only after the video went viral.
 
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Just your friendly reminder that there are over 700,000 cops in America.
There's over 1 million violent crimes per year in America.
There's over 10 million arrests per year.
95% of the time when things go wrong, it is on account of a multitude of other factors far more obvious than some conspiratorial plots to inexplicably hurt innocent people to the benefit of no one and more likely the detriment of not just the community but also specifically the department. The harm, including self detriment, far outweighs these mythical plots.
Less than 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of interactions between police and the public go bad. When they do go bad, 99% of the time it was on account of the civilian posing a threat to society. Of that 1% of 1% of 1% of 1%, when things go bad, it is still just about 1/10th of cases in which there is some malicious intent on the part of the police.
Now, of that 1/10th of 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of interactions which go bad and in which law enforcement is culpable, even in that 00.0000001% of interactions, it is still just yet another small fraction removed in which the guilty party, the law enforcement officer, actually somehow stood to benefit from it.
So even when we parse these incidents down to that 00.0000001%, less than 1 out of 10 of those still have nothing to do with some sinister plot, some grand scheme, or some diabolical conspiracy. It's some ill-conceived altercation as tensions ride high, usually a case of senseless back-and-forth escalation, in which neither party could possibly stand to benefit.
There is plainly absolutely zero logic, nor a modicum of rationality or even a hair-brained conspiracy that is offered to explain people's suspicions anymore. It's a statistical zero.
There are literally tens of millions of interactions between police and citizens on a daily basis. TENS OF MILLIONS on a DAILY BASIS. 99.99999% of the time, things are fine, just civil and peaceful interactions, without incident.
But we have countless pearlclutchers who erupt into an uproar over every single anecdote like racists glom onto stories about "the other" attacking "their own." The only difference is that the racists have more than 10 times as many anecdotes to "substantiate" their perverse narrative in their own warped minds, as any of us have to vilify and dehumanize police, such as the demographics of a population of more than 330 million happen to be.
Now imagine a "What the Hell Is Wrong With Americans and their Addiction to Outrage, Despite Clearly Lacking Perspective or Having Even A Rudimentary Grasp of Statistics??" thread which might actually be more instructive.
Then imagine a "What The Hell Is Wrong With Hispanics??" thread and consider how long that might go before being shut down
Then imagine a "What The Hell Is Wrong With Blacks??" thread and consider the record time that would be shut down
You could fill up those hypothetical topics with fresh stories on an hourly basis. Do you think that's helpful? Threads like this are for scumbags with nothing to say or do but just pile onto what they think is a substantial litany of grievances which ultimately amounts to pissing into a hurricane when you look at the overall statistics.
You wanna know who is most afraid of cops? The people who are almost never stopped by them. You wanna know who is least afraid of cops? The people who get stopped all the time. And even in the worst neighborhoods with the most frequent police stops, a civilian is still more than 30 times likelier to be killed by their own neighbor than by a cop.
No one can justify their hysteria, because they have no sense of perspective beyond the anecdotal. They don't comprehend "per capita" statistics. If they did, they'd have a much harder time explaining those taboo topics which we already know won't be tolerated let alone examined honestly.
The kind of hysteria this lazy topic gins up only exacerbates matters, and we see such threads all the time. There's virtually zero interest in an honest discussion about the overwhelming statistics which don't merely undermine the narrative, but entirely destroy it.
We do not live in a world where wanton murder of innocents is incentivized by society. Even in JUSTIFIED instances of homicide by law enforcement, there are still enormous costs - see Ferguson. Why in the hell do people think that murder of innocent civilians is on the agenda? Who benefits? No one. Not a single case, even of the relative handful in which we know for a fact that law enforcement was guilty of unjustified force, have I ever read anyone supply a motive, short of full blown conspiracy. These instances DO occur and these plots are real, but the vast majority of the time they are pure fiction. And when they DO occur and are proven to be credible, they benefit no one but the parties directly involved, which is to say very select few individuals, while telling us virtually nothing about the 99.9999% of the group being demonized which are fine and decent people literally going out of their way to resolve the issues our wayward dregs of society pose, and which each one of us is responsible for demanding they take care.
Don't even for a moment think I'm being hyperbolic with these statistics or even exaggerating slightly. These aren't figures of speech. When I say tens of millions I mean tens of millions.
Take all your anecdotes and multiply them by 10 and you're still pissing into a hurricane. Multiply them by 100, still pissing in a hurricane. Multiply them by 1000 and then we've got a significant issue that might represent 1% of cops.
Until then you're not even talking about 1% of 1% of 1% of all cops. 99.9999% have nothing to do with your hysteria. So again, I see no effective difference between what you guys are doing and what the likes of Stormfront must do with topics about "What The Hell Is Wrong With (insert hated group here)??"
Your rhetoric is trash. Your arguments are unfounded. You have no perspective or even a rudimentary grasp of math. You fan flames with no regard for consequence. You have no solutions because you don't even have a clue what the problem is. You don't even know the most basic and obvious questions to ask.
I might suggest a better topic being "What The Hell is Wrong With 00.0001% Of Cops??"
Or go back to considering what the reaction might be to topics like "What The Hell Is Wrong With Liberals/Conservatives/Hispanics/Blacks/Whites/Muslims/Catholics/Politicians/Women/Men??" There's aberrant scum in every group of these proportions.
I'd suggest there are more slimy lawyers out there than there are cops. Curiously not nearly as many threads dedicated to indicting lawyers with such damning generalizations based off anecdotal evidence. It's as though society understands the need for lawyers more than for law enforcement, yet they are part of the same branch or domain and we don't have a society without both.
But carry on with your pointlessly polarizing parade.
 
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Thanks Melvyn.
Many of your comments have been addressed over the last few years of this thread by others. In a nutshell:

  • No one has said that all cops are bad. The thread title is admittedly hyperbolic. I don't believe any reasonable person here says "oh yeah, that's ALL cops alrighty"

  • No one has said there's no dangerous criminals out there. That's not what we're talking about here. This thread is about unarmed persons - including children, people with Down's syndrome -- who have been injured and killed by police. The line "don't resist and you won't get shot" has been disproven many, MANY times in this thread.

  • So....it's OK that there's only a "few" bad cops here and there in relation to the greater number?

  • No there's no "Black people are bad"-threads on ADT. Speaking as a Black Man, I can tell you I don't have any expectations of hoods in my environment. But I and others DO have reasonable expectations from police. And we pay their salaries.

  • There are examples of Black cops and White victime in this thread, so it's not a purely racial thing, nor has there been any accusations of a "conspiracy" here.

  • Having said that, both in this thread and in the "racial double standard" thread, there's examples of cops taking in supposedly dangerous, armed white guys into custody without harm while we have unarmed black people being taken to the morgue. We've just recently had a stretch of several mass shooters who were all taken in alive, and unharmed.

  • There's no "incentivization" to abuse and torture? Well awesome, . And also
  • We're not allowed to piss in the wind at ADT anymore?

  • If you wanted to start a thread about terrible lawyers, you're free to do so. Especially now that we can do hardcore images!


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A highly detailed story about the West Virginia police officer who was fired for NOT shooting a mentally ill black man.
 
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Johnny Wheatcroft is suing the Glendale Police Department in Arizona and alleging excessive force after officers approached him while sitting in a parking lot and used a stun gun on him multiple times.


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The Supreme Court struck an extraordinary blow for criminal justice reform on Wednesday, placing real limitations on policing for profit across the country. Its unanimous decision for the first time prohibits all 50 states from imposing excessive fines, including the seizure of property, on people accused or convicted of a crime. Rarely does the court hand down a ruling of such constitutional magnitude—and seldom do all nine justices agree to restrict the power that police and prosecutors exert over individuals. The landmark decision represents a broad agreement on the Supreme Court that law enforcement’s legalized theft has gone too far.

Wednesday’s ruling in Timbs v. Indiana, authored by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, is sharp and concise. It revolves around a single question of extraordinary importance. The Eighth Amendment guarantees that no “excessive fines” may be “imposed,” an ancient right enshrined in the Magna Carta and enthusiastically adopted by the Framers. But the Bill of Rights originally applied only to the federal government, not the states. After the Civil War, the 14th Amendment was ratified to apply these rights to the states, which had engaged in grotesque civil rights violations to perpetuate slavery. The Supreme Court, however, slowly applied (or “incorporated”) these rights against the states one by one, not all at once. And before Timbs, it had never incorporated the Excessive Fines Clause—allowing states to exploit their residents for huge sums of cash and property.


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Ramsey Orta filmed the killing of Eric Garner. The video traveled far, but it wouldn't get justice for his dead friend. Instead, the NYPD would exact their revenge through targeted harassment and eventually imprisonment — Orta's punishment for daring to show the world police brutality.

 
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A Florida jury today acquitted North Miami SWAT Officer Jonathan Aledda on one count of culpable negligence after he shot a behavioral therapist, Charles Kinsey, in the leg in 2016. Kinsey was trying to help an unarmed man with autism, Arnaldo Rios Soto, out of an intersection. Rios Soto was holding a silver toy truck, which Aledda claimed was a gun. Kinsey was filmed lying on the ground, placing his hands in the air, and begging cops not to shoot him.

Aledda was charged with four crimes in 2017: two counts of felony attempted manslaughter and two counts of misdemeanor culpable negligence. The jury today reportedly acquitted Aledda of culpable negligence for firing at Rios Soto but could not reach a verdict on the other three charges.

Despite the fact that Kinsey was filmed screaming the supposed gun was a toy, Aledda still pulled the trigger. The case became national news — civil rights activists noted Kinsey did everything possible to avoid getting shot and followed virtually every order the police shouted before Aledda pumped bullets into his leg.

In court this week, Aledda argued he was actually aiming at Rios Soto, the man with autism. The officer believed Rios Soto was holding Kinsey hostage with a gun. Aledda also claimed he did not hear police radio transmissions telling officers on the scene not to fire their weapons.

 
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"in the US, more than a third of overturned wrongful convictions involve a false confession.

The idea that anyone would willingly confess to a crime they didn’t commit sounds unbelievable, particularly when the punishment may be life in prison or even the death penalty.

But a series of high-profile cases across America has revealed a slew of wrongful convictions based on false confessions and placed the spotlight on a widely used police interrogation technique designed to make people confess.

The technique, developed in the 1960s, is called the John Reid technique and “has gone on to influence most of the interrogation techniques taught in American police academies”."



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"The Somali-American is the first police officer in Minnesota to be convicted of an on-duty shooting.

But some say that while he was “absolutely guilty” over her tragic death, there are various cases of white police officers being acquitted in similar or worse circumstances."


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The question for me has never been what the hell is wrong with cops, the issues at hand are the reluctance to charge - seemingly much less convict cops for everything from rape to murder and the fact that African Americans are more likely to be the victims of lethal force by police than most other ethnicities. I agree there are good cops out there, I agree the press can blow things out of proportion as can people's varying accounts but when you read the same story from news outlets from the far right to the far left and everything in between all saying the same thing - kind of hard to ignore.

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^^ “"I think it was a just verdict, but for us it is bittersweet," said Michelle Gross, of the local group Communities United Against Police Brutality.

"We want to see justice for everyone who is killed by police. It has not gone un-noted here that the first officer in the state to go to jail for murdering a civilian is black."

As the Black Lives Matter movement has highlighted in recent years, most US police shootings involve a black victim and white police officer. This trial reversed the usual storyline, and also reversed its outcome.

It is extremely difficult for prosecutors to convince a jury that a police officer should go to prison for killing someone while on duty. If the officer can show that they felt in danger, they usually go free.

Of an estimated 12,000 police shootings between 2005 and 2017, just 80 officers were charged with murder or manslaughter, and only 30 were convicted of a crime.

Speaking after the verdict, community activist John Thompson said Noor was probably guilty. But so were many white officers who had shot a civilian and gone unpunished.”

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“According to the juror, Noor’s testimony was largely taken “with a heavy grain of salt because of discrepancies” with his partner’s evidence, the latter of which was supported by forensic evidence.

“He felt genuine when he was talking about his past and upbringing, but something just felt off when he started talking about the events of that night,” the juror said of Noor.

“Being able to talk about calls and events earlier that night in specific detail but have no recollection of important events afterwards. We didn’t take a lot of stock in his testimony because the forensic evidence supported Harrity’s testimony...everything just felt off.”

The juror said Noor never really adequately answered why he had shot Ms Damond other than to say he was “protecting” himself. But the jury wasn’t left with any lingering questions, he said.

“I think throughout the trial we kind of had the feeling there was something we weren’t being told,” the juror continued”

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"The city of Minneapolis is paying $US20 million ... to settle a lawsuit with the family of an unarmed Australian woman who was fatally shot by a police officer after she called 911 to report a possible crime.

Mayor Jacob Frey announced the settlement three days after a jury convicted [the officer]

... under the terms of the settlement, the family will be required to donate $2 million of the payment to the Minneapolis Foundation’s Fund for Safe Communities, a program designed to fight gun violence in the city."

"The Damond family had filed a $US50 million civil lawsuit against Noor, Officer Harrity, the city of Minneapolis and the current and former police chiefs, alleging that her civil rights were violated."

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